GOD'S GRACE IS UNMERITED

7seasrekeyed · Sep 10, 2017

do you have a pillow over your head?

you cannot call people names

that is NOT a Christian witness

Jesus was God. He knows what is in the heart. YOU, mr hard of hearing, do NOT know

you provided your own proof with your posts

you really do have a comprehension problem, right?

guess I'll have to ignore you also

and don't forget to say good if I ignore you. ignorance is bliss until it bites you from behind

Dreamstate · Sep 10, 2017

7seasrekeyed said:

Listen it's no good accusing me of those things after I posted scripture to you which proved I'm justified in the way I imitate God like we are supposed to, I will not be following your example, Jesus is a better example than the one you are setting.

MarcR · Sep 10, 2017

OneFaith said:

Jesus died to give every single person the opportunity to be saved. But He says wide is the way that leads to hell, and most enter through it, but narrow is the way that leads to heaven, and only a few find it."

And again, I did not say that we can earn grace. I said we must work, not in order to earn grace, but in order to receive grace. Because God does not give the gift of grace to everyone, but only to the group of people trying to obey Him. Nothing this group can do can earn grace- because their own blood is not innocent. But God only gives the gift of grace to this group- therefore we must be in this group, and what puts us in this group is obedience to God.

You are welcome to think so.

OneFaith · Sep 10, 2017

Dreamstate said:

But, with all due respect, nothing we can do can earn grace, even partially. Just like no money at all cannot buy a mansion- not even a penny toward its price. It is simply the group God chooses to give it to. Let's say there is a group of worldly people who do not obey God at all, and they are wearing black t-shirts. Another, smaller group of people, who wear God's name on their shirt, but do not obey Him, are wearing orange t-shirts.

But the smallest group of all, wear God's name on their shirts, and they obey Him, and their shirts are yellow. God looks at these groups to decide which group to give the gift of grace to. He considers that all these groups sin and fall short- which is why His grace is a gift that none of them can earn, at all. Then He makes His decision to give the gift to the group wearing yellow shirts.

Then someone from the orange group says, "Wait a minute, I want to trade my orange shirt in for a yellow shirt." The yellow group says "All you have to do is start obeying God, and your orange shirt will turn yellow." And he says back to them, "But that would be earning it- therefore it would no longer be a gift." The yellow group say back to him "Nothing we do earns it, just like your group don't earn it, nor the black group. God simply chooses to give it to those wearing yellow shirts."

Dreamstate · Sep 10, 2017

OneFaith said:

But, with all due respect, nothing we can do can earn grace, even partially. Just like no money at all cannot buy a mansion- not even a penny toward its price. It is simply the group God chooses to give it to. Let's say there is a group of worldly people who do not obey God at all, and they are wearing black t-shirts. Another, smaller group of people, who wear God's name on their shirt, but do not obey Him, are wearing orange t-shirts.

But the smallest group of all, wear God's name on their shirts, and they obey Him, and their shirts are yellow. God looks at these groups to decide which group to give the gift of grace to. He considers that all these groups sin and fall short- which is why His grace is a gift that none of them can earn, at all. Then He makes His decision to give the gift to the group wearing yellow shirts.

Then someone from the orange group says, "Wait a minute, I want to trade my orange shirt in for a yellow shirt." The yellow group says "All you have to do is start obeying God, and your orange shirt will turn yellow." And he says back to them, "But that would be earning it- therefore it would no longer be a gift." The yellow group say back to him "Nothing we do earns it, just like your group don't earn it, nor the black group. God simply chooses to give it to those wearing yellow shirts."

The problem is that free will is something that earns people things or creates a loss even though it is a gift, that can't be escaped, people have the power to choose and if they choose to repent, choose what God wants, God will reward them. That's how special free will is as a gift.

OneFaith · Sep 10, 2017

Obedience does not earn salvation, but we must obey in order to receive salvation. Because none of our obedient moments earns it, but God does not give it to those who do not have obedient moments. Like those in Noah's day, God said aside from Noah and his family, everyone's thoughts and actions were evil thoughts and actions 100% of the time. So you understand God not giving the gift of grace to them.

And to those who obey God only once in their life, in order to feel saved, you understand God not giving the gift of grace to them. So at what point of obedience does God give the gift of grace? To those who obey Him daily until they die, even though they make a mistake here and there. But not one of those obediences earns it. If someone doesn't understand that, I don't know what else to say.

Dreamstate · Sep 10, 2017

OneFaith said:

Ok, well why did Jesus and Peter command to repent and do you think people don't have the power to choose if they will or not and if a person chooses not to repent do you think they will receive the gift of The Holy Spirit in return through their disobedience ?

joaniemarie · Sep 10, 2017

Rosemaryx said:

Hi Rosemary., Thank you for taking the time to read my posts. I've gotten so used to using the "comic sans" with the slant it helps me recognize my posts. Is this any better? I have a hard time seeing small type too. Sometimes I have to adjust the screen size to read on the computer. Totally understand.

joaniemarie · Sep 10, 2017

graceNpeace said:

Hyper-grace has developed into a combination of buzz words used much like buzz words politicians here in the U.S. like to use. They promote a politically correct agenda to use on people when accusations are being hurled.

No one wants to be called a racist for instance., but those of us who voted for Donald Trump are called racist by some people and in many cases the title sticks simply because of some of the misinformation about Donald Trump going out on the news so much.

According to some ignorant people., just being associated with President Trump makes you a racist and you could get beat up depending on where you are. Sad too is there are people in politics who know those who they accuse are not racists but they will accuse anyway just to put the focus on a false accusation and not on the truth.

Unfortunately., the words "hyper-grace" are used here in the same way. And for less informed people., the title sticks because of the lack of information and understanding., But the truth will come out eventually especially when we allow the Lord to deal with the keeping of our reputations., He will.

Rosemaryx · Sep 10, 2017

joaniemarie said:

Awww...Thank you so much for changing it, God bless you

...I can see it much better now...xox...

joaniemarie · Sep 10, 2017

Reading some of the posts.,, it's obvious the subject of grace; God's unmerited, unearned favor., is not understood by many people. And it will always be something to discuss and rejoice in. I urge those who insist on us trying to work hard to be worthy of grace as a believer read again the OP and what is being said. When you try to earn grace., it is no more grace.

I will repost the 1st post on this thread.

joaniemarie · Sep 10, 2017

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GOD’S GRACE IS UNMERITED

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What is the grace of God? Simply put, the grace of God is God blessing, healing and delivering you because of Jesus. The grace of God is His unearned, unmerited and undeserved favor toward you simply because of Jesus’ finished work at the cross.

Because God’s grace is based on Jesus’ work and not yours, the only way you fall from this grace is by believing that you can earn, merit and deserve it through your obedience and good works.

For example, you fall from grace when you say, “God has to answer my prayer because I have prayed long enough.” You also fall from grace when you think that because you are serving in church or you have kicked a bad habit, God is pleased with you and He has to bless you.

When you think that it is by your efforts and obedience that you receive God’s blessings, you become like the Pharisees. They believed that their law-keeping justified them and ensured that God would bless them. But the truth is that when you believe like them, “you have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace”. This means that you are cut off from Christ, who is your salvation, Redeemer, healer and provider. Christ has become of no effect to you!

My friend, surely you would want Christ to be of effect to you. People to whom Christ is of effect receive from Him the miracle they need. When He is of effect to them, He is their healer and they get healed. He is their wisdom and they are wise before man. He is their good success and they experience good success in all that they do.

Beloved, for Christ to always be of effect to you and to never nullify the grace of God operating in your life, just remember and believe that it is because of Christ and His finished work—His blood, His stripes, His death, His obedience—that you are justified, healed and blessed!

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Grandpa · Sep 10, 2017

Dreamstate said:

Its not about disproving verses with other verses.

Its about reconciling verses with other verses.

If we know directly that Salvation is not of our work but of Gods and we know that it is not us that chooses God but He that chooses us then we have to look at those verses that SEEM to show that we can work to earn salvation or choose God with our own "freewill" in that light.

Or we can just call each other names and try to show verses that SEEM to contradict each other.

graceNpeace · Sep 10, 2017

joaniemarie said:

Hyper-grace has developed into a combination of buzz words used much like buzz words politicians here in the U.S. like to use. They promote a politically correct agenda to use on people when accusations are being hurled.

No one wants to be called a racist for instance., but those of us who voted for Donald Trump are called racist by some people and in many cases the title sticks simply because of some of the misinformation about Donald Trump going out on the news so much.

According to some ignorant people., just being associated with President Trump makes you a racist and you could get beat up depending on where you are. Sad too is there are people in politics who know those who they accuse are not racists but they will accuse anyway just to put the focus on a false accusation and not on the truth.

Unfortunately., the words "hyper-grace" are used here in the same way. And for less informed people., the title sticks because of the lack of information and understanding., But the truth will come out eventually especially when we allow the Lord to deal with the keeping of our reputations., He will.

Thank you joaniemarie!

Dreamstate · Sep 10, 2017

Grandpa said:

Sorry, you seem to be thinking I care about your nonsense, sorry, that's not the case, now run along child.

preacher4truth · Sep 10, 2017

Dreamstate said:

Hopefully the above drivel isn't allowed much longer...

Dreamstate · Sep 10, 2017

preacher4truth said:

O you've been drooling for while haven't you Mr Wolf ? Don't worry the shepherd will sort you out, get ready.

Dreamstate · Sep 10, 2017

Look being banned isn't a problem really and anyway I haven't said anything Jesus wouldn't have said.

Nehemiah6 · Sep 10, 2017

OneFaith said:

Correct. In fact obedience to the Gospel is a necessity (2 Thess 1:8) and is called "the obedience of faith" (Rom 16:26). What does this mean?

1. To believe on the Lord Jesus Christ is a COMMANDMENT to be obeyed.

2. To repent (turn from sins and idols) and turn to the living God is a COMMANDMENT to be obeyed.

Please notice the use and significance of the word commandment in each of these verses:

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

There is not a single Christian who will disagree that grace is unmerited favor. Most evangelical Christians will also agree that good works cannot earn or merit salvation. But grace also means that those who have been saved by grace must walk in the Spirit.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world (Titus 2:11,12).

DJ2 · Sep 10, 2017

graceNpeace said:

So God grants us the ability to believe and repent but it is us choosing to do the believing and repenting?

GOD'S GRACE IS UNMERITED

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