the ten commandments

Hizikyah · Oct 31, 2017

Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Mark 3:4, “And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do right on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.”

Isayah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."

Mat 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."

Why would Yahshua/Jesus, in and end time prophecy think the Sabbath was still valid? Maybe someone needs to tell the King He is wrong?

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

seed_time_harvest said:

1 Peter 1:13-16, “Therefore, having girded up the loins of your mind, being sober, set your expectation perfectly upon the favor that is to be brought to you at the revelation of יהושע Messiah, as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts in your ignorance, instead, as the One who called you is set-apart, so you also should become set-apart in all behavior, because it has been written, “Be set-apart, for I am set-apart.”

2 Peter 2:20-21, "For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Savior יהושע Messiah, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the set-apart command delivered unto them. For them the proverb has proved true, “A dog returns to his own vomit, and, A washed sow returns to her rolling in the mud.”

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

mailmandan · Oct 31, 2017

followjesus said:

The Sabbath day is included in Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Do you really wish to go back under the law and keep the Sabbath day (which was part of a covenant with Israel) with all it's rules and regulations - (Exodus 16:23; 31:12-18; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13).

NOWHERE UNDER THE NEW COVENANT is the Church commanded to keep the Sabbath day. What Paul said in Colossians 2:16-17 is crystal clear. There is no need for you to twist what he said in order to accommodate your biased doctrine.

Hizikyah · Oct 31, 2017

mailmandan said:

Colossians 2 is commonly used as a witness against Yah’s Sabbaths, however, Yah’s Sabbath are 100% bout the Messiah and have origins from Yah, not the world or paganism...

Colossians 2:20, “If, then, you died with Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to it’s ordinances.”

Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”

Psalms 74:4, “Your adversaries have roared In the midst of Your appointments; They have set up their own signs as signs.”

mailmandan said:

The 7[SUP]th[/SUP] day Sabbath and all 7 Feast days of YHWH are about the works of Yahshua Messiah, prophetically shown by the mouth of YHWH. The first three are displayed in the spring Feasts, where Messiah came as the suffering Lamb. The last four are about His return as a conquering Lion. Starting with Feast of Trumpets, marking the return of Yahshua Messiah, the day that no man knows the day or hour… the Feast of Trumpets can not be predicted because it is the only Feast that occurs on the sighting of the new moon, something NASA can not predict with 100% accuracy. So these are times only the Creator of the heavens and Earth has control over. These Feasts are called “moadim” in Hebrew, and have a very interesting definition; “appointed time, place, or meeting” These days (appointed times) are celebratory Holy Days/Holidays inspired by the Creator of the heavens and earth. An appointed time set by the Creator of the heavens and Earth…

Genesis 1:14, "And Yah said, “Let lights come to be in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and appointed times*, and for days and years.”

Psalm 104:19, "You appointed the moon for setting the appointed times*. The sun knows its going down."

“appointed times”is word #H4150 - Original Word: מוֹעֵד, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: moed, Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade'), Short Definition: meeting, Word Origin from yaad, Definition - appointed time, place, or meeting

Psalm 104:19, "You appointed the moon for setting the appointed times*. The sun knows its going down."

“appointed times” is word #H4150 - Original Word: מוֹעֵד, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: moed, Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade'), Short Definition: meeting, Word Origin from yaad, Definition - appointed time, place, or meeting

1 Thessalonians 5:1, "But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need that I should write to you."

The Appointed Times of YHWH:

There are 2 "it is done" statements...

Fulfilled already - Work as the Suffering Lamb “It is done!”
John 19:30, “So when יהושע took the sour wine He said, “It is done!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.”

Fulfilled already- To be fulfilled in the future

1. Passover/First-fruits – Yahshua's Sacrifice (Passover), burial and resurrection (First Fruits – presenting Himself to YHWH)

2. Feast of Unleavened Bread – Removal of sin by Yahshua's perfect work as the Passover Sacrifice

3. Feast of Weeks – The blessing Holy Spirit of YHWH, coming into our lives stronger than ever

4. Feast of Trumpets – Yahshua's return and gathering of the Saints

5. Day of Atonement – Yahshua leads the army of YHWH to destroy evil rulers of this world and satan is chained for 1,000 years

6. Feast of Tabernacles – Yahshua dwells on earth for 1,000 years teaching truth and righteousness

7. The Last Great Day – satan is loosed and swiftly destroyed, the Kingdom of YHWH reigns forever

To be fulfilled in the future – Work as the Conquering Lion “It is done!”
Revelation 21:4-8, “And Yah shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there shall be no more death, nor mourning, nor crying. And there shall be no more pain, for the former matters have passed away. And He who was sitting on the throne said, “See, I make all matters new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and trustworthy. And He said to me, “It is done! I am the ‘Aleph’ and the ‘Taw’, the Beginning and the End. To the one who thirsts I shall give of the fountain of the water of life without payment. The one who overcomes shall inherit all this, and I shall be his Strength and he shall be My son. But as for the cowardly, and untrustworthy, and abominable, and murderers, and those who whore, and drug sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the false, their part is in the lake which burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Enow · Oct 31, 2017

8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

That includes any one working for you or serving you on the sabbath day. That means no shopping and no getting gas and no using television or the radio from which people have to work for you to get your entertainment.

Emergency is different, but too often sabbath keepers excuse themselves when taking advantage of other people working for their entertainment or for their convenience that they are really not keeping the sabbath day as commanded in the Old Testament.

And how many testify that they are not a killer, not a thief, not a covetous person? But we do have christians calling themselves sabbath day keepers or refer to a church as in the Seventh Day Adventists, but that is not how christians are to be identified by, because that is preaching themselves.

2 Corinthians 4:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

I believe that is why it has been a practice in the N.T. scriptureto identify christians by what city they live at rather than of a denomenational church, but originally and universally those who are seen as His disciples are called christians which happened at Antioch.

Acts 11:[SUP]26 [/SUP]And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Somehow down through the history of the church, His disciples began to be identified by a set of teachings that represents the name of their church rather than of the city where they live from out of towners for reference to other churches, or as christians from the locals in the community.

So I ask all those believers that keep the sabbath day; how can you claim 2 Corinthians 4:5-7 as part of your testimony to other believers, as well as to the world at large?

And I ask all other believers in denomenation if we are called to be a disciple of a church in seeking to add members by testifying of the church in seeking the glory of the church or a disciple of Jesus Christ in testifying of Him in seeking His glory so that sinners can come to Him for hope as we are to do?

Then for those who believe you are to keep the sabbath day, then you have to read Matthew 12:1-7 to find out why those believers who do not keep the sabbath day are guiltless at Bible Gateway's link.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+12:1-7&version=KJV

mailmandan · Oct 31, 2017

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Studyman · Oct 31, 2017

hornetguy said:

Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

How can you say the Law was not complete when Jesus is simply recounting what the Law says?

When He said " Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time", who is He speaking of? Not Moses, because Moses clearly taught not to hate your Brother in your heart.

Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Before becoming Flesh and Blood Jesus created these very Laws. He said them first.

But He is coming to a people who have created their own Laws and Commandments. And they had been persecuting and killing prophets sent to straighten for a long time.

Jesus said these same Mainstream Preachers of His time taught some parts of His Law "Eye for an Eye", but omitted other parts like "Do not hate your brother in your heart".

And many other such things they did.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Prov. 6:24 To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman.
25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.

Lev. 18:16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.

Your preaching that God's Law was not complete just because the Mainstream Preachers of old didn't teach them is Biblically incorrect.

Matt. 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

"But I say" those same things Moses taught that they ignore, omit, and twist in order to justify "Transgressing the Commandments of God by their own Traditions and Doctrines".

So to preach the Law is incomplete may help support Mainstream Religions, but as you can clearly see Jesus did not say or even indicate that God's (His) Word was somehow incomplete or insufficient.

But don't feel too bad. This kind of this is very common in mankind. Paul teaches us why this happens.

Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Mankind has been omitting and erasing and twisting God's Word from the beginning. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were just preaching what they were taught by the preachers before them and so on.

Passing on church traditions and doctrines from generation to generation to the point where their transgressions were considered "gospel". They were lost, held in the Yoke and Bondage of deception, of a religion that was "AGAINST" the very God they claimed to worship.

But because men are deceitful and wicked above all things, they killed the ONE MAN that was trying to help the escape from the bondage and yoke of deception satan had trapped them in. The Answer for them was the Word, as Jesus said "Every Word" that came from God. But their traditions and man made doctrines were more important than the truth, so they rejected it.

You just preached to many that Jesus said God's Law was incomplete. But I have shown you, in brotherly love, that this statement if not true. I know you have been taught this by the Mainstream Preachers of today. From a Mainstream Church that "Transgress the commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions".

I am hoping you might consider who has taught you what you know. "Have you been told by them of old time" that Jesus said God's Law is incomplete? But Jesus said:

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

valiant · Oct 31, 2017

Studyman said:

Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

How can you say the Law was not complete when Jesus is simply recounting what the Law says?

When He said "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time", who is He speaking of? Not Moses, because Moses clearly taught not to hate your Brother in your heart.

Col. 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Before becoming Flesh and Blood Jesus created these very Laws. He said them first.

But He is coming to a people who have created their own Laws and Commandments. And they had been persecuting and killing prophets sent to straighten for a long time.

Jesus said these same Mainstream Preachers of His time taught some parts of His Law "Eye for an Eye", but omitted other parts like "Do not hate your brother in your heart".

And many other such things they did.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Prov. 6:24 To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman.
25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids.

Lev. 18:16 Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy brother's wife: it is thy brother's nakedness.

Your preaching that God's Law was not complete just because the Mainstream Preachers of old didn't teach them is Biblically incorrect.

Matt. 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

"But I say" those same things Moses taught that they ignore, omit, and twist in order to justify "Transgressing the Commandments of God by their own Traditions and Doctrines".

So to preach the Law is incomplete may help support Mainstream Religions, but as you can clearly see Jesus did not say or even indicate that God's (His) Word was somehow incomplete or insufficient.

But don't feel too bad. This kind of this is very common in mankind. Paul teaches us why this happens.

Rom. 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Mankind has been omitting and erasing and twisting God's Word from the beginning. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were just preaching what they were taught by the preachers before them and so on.

Passing on church traditions and doctrines from generation to generation to the point where their transgressions were considered "gospel". They were lost, held in the Yoke and Bondage of deception, of a religion that was "AGAINST" the very God they claimed to worship.

But because men are deceitful and wicked above all things, they killed the ONE MAN that was trying to help the escape from the bondage and yoke of deception satan had trapped them in. The Answer for them was the Word, as Jesus said "Every Word" that came from God. But their traditions and man made doctrines were more important than the truth, so they rejected it.

You just preached to many that Jesus said God's Law was incomplete. But I have shown you, in brotherly love, that this statement if not true. I know you have been taught this by the Mainstream Preachers of today. From a Mainstream Church that "Transgress the commandments of God by their own doctrines and traditions".

I am hoping you might consider who has taught you what you know. "Have you been told by them of old time" that Jesus said God's Law is incomplete? But Jesus said:

Luke 16: 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Where in the New Testament does God tell us to observe the Sabbath day?

He obviously did not consider it important by that time.

hornetguy · Oct 31, 2017

If Jesus was simply recounting what the law said, he would have simply said, follow the commandments that Moses brought down.

Jesus was giving us an improved, complete version of the commandments given to Moses. He was fulfilling the law...

paraphrasing..... "Moses' commandment was "don't murder".... but I, Jesus tell you that you are not to even hate anyone, much less murder them..."

That is NOT a simple restating of Moses Law.... the old law was NOT complete. Under the old law, you could get by with all kinds of evil thoughts about others, as long as you didn't do the physical act of murder.

This is the whole purpose of Jesus' discussion on "you have heard it said...." he is giving us the new, improved version of the old law.

and... ALL of the laws are summed up, or covered by the two greatest commandments Jesus gave us.

valiant · Oct 31, 2017

Studyman said:

So you are saying that Jesus did not teach something new? It seems to me that it was very new.

hornetguy · Oct 31, 2017

Good grief... I just saw this part of your treatise....

Thank you for responding in love.. hopefully I am, as well... but you have NOT shown me that what I said was untrue. I have not been taught what I said by any "mainstream church" or doctrine. What I said is what I understand scripture to say, rather plainly. I read scripture in context, and with the guidance of the Spirit, prayerfully sought.

I see no way that anyone could read Jesus' comments on the old law "you have heard it said..... but I say...." and NOT come to the understanding that Jesus is giving us something different from the old commandments.

Otherwise, why would Jesus even bother commenting on them? You have to use some discernment, and common sense when you read scripture.. put things in context of what was said, when it was said, and hopefully why it was said.

If I came to you, and said.. "You've heard everyone say that the quickest way to Dallas is I-35, but I say that..."
You would be expecting me to give you a different perspective, or a different viewpoint on that topic.

Exactly what Jesus did....

Hizikyah · Oct 31, 2017

hornetguy said:

Can you tell me a single Law the can be broken and still be loving YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might and loving your neighbor as yourself.?

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

John 21:25, “Now there is much else that יהושע did. If every one of them were written down, I think that the world itself would not contain the written books. Awmĕin.”

The main stream religion of the day had added tons of man made law and altered the Law of YHWH;

Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."

New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."

Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.
Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud. The Savior said this to the Pharisees;

Mat 23:8, “But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi, (master)’ for One is your Master, the Messiah, and you are all brothers.”

Matt 23:33, "Serpents! Brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of Gehenna?"

Yahshua EXPOSED the Pharisees and their false religious system EVERY CHANCE HE GOT. He did not sit by and let people lies many need to re-read the words of the Messiah, and see how He tore apart the lies of the accepted religious system of that day every chance He had, Is it possible we today have the same issue, where main stream religions are teaching tradition rather than truth?

Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

John 21:25, “Now there is much else that יהושע did. If every one of them were written down, I think that the world itself would not contain the written books. Awmĕin.”

hornetguy · Oct 31, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Can you tell me a single Law the can be broken and still be loving YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might and loving your neighbor as yourself.?

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

John 21:25, “Now there is much else that יהושע did. If every one of them were written down, I think that the world itself would not contain the written books. Awmĕin.”

The main stream religion of the day had added tons of man made law and altered the Law of YHWH;

Mark 7:1-9, “And the Pharisees and some of the scribes assembled to Him, having come from Yerushalayim. And seeing some of His taught ones eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Yehuḏim, do not eat unless they wash their hands thoroughly, holding fast the tradition of the elders, and coming from the market-place, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions which they have received and hold fast – the washing of cups and utensils and copper vessels and couches. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your taught ones not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands? And He answering, said to them, “Well did Yeshayahu prophesy concerning you hypocrites, as it has been written, ‘This people respect Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the commands of men.’ Forsaking the command of YHWH, you hold fast the tradition of men. And He said to them, “Well do you set aside the command of YHWH, in order to guard your tradition."

New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."

King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."

Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.
Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.
Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud. The Savior said this to the Pharisees;

Mat 23:8, “But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi, (master)’ for One is your Master, the Messiah, and you are all brothers.”

Matt 23:33, "Serpents! Brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of Gehenna?"

Yahshua EXPOSED the Pharisees and their false religious system EVERY CHANCE HE GOT. He did not sit by and let people lies many need to re-read the words of the Messiah, and see how He tore apart the lies of the accepted religious system of that day every chance He had, Is it possible we today have the same issue, where main stream religions are teaching tradition rather than truth?

Mat 15:7-9, "Hypocrites! Well did Isayah (29:13-14)* prophesy of you, saying: These people draw near to Me with their mouth and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their hearts far from Me. But in vain they do worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

John 21:25, “Now there is much else that יהושע did. If every one of them were written down, I think that the world itself would not contain the written books. Awmĕin.”

Ok then.... let me start by saying that it is difficult for me to follow all your postings, because of the combination of English and Hebrew/Yiddish whatever... it seems I spend more time trying to interpret words you use .... no big deal, just thought I'd mention that...

It sounds as if we agree on this topic. Jesus introduced a new way of living for those who follow him. It's not a complete "rewrite"... it's a completion, or making whole of God's commandments for humanity.

That's why, for someone to say "we have to follow the 10 Commandments".... I disagree. We have to do all that (spiritually), and much more.

Hizikyah · Oct 31, 2017

hornetguy said:

What "yiddish..." was so hard to understand? It's all plain English except His name is written in it's native language and takanot and ma'asim, which are explained...

OK what Law can a person break and be keeping the great 2?

and how could it be possible to keep do not steal spiritually but break it physically?

Hizikyah · Oct 31, 2017

I think we have over spiritualazation, the spirit of the Law is it's true intent, the pharisees would take a law like "help you neighbor if his donkey falls in a ditch" yet someone would have a shee in a ditch they would go, I dont have to help, its not a donkey. Where the spirit would be to still help them, even if its a broken down car. None are perfect, I dont help every person I see with a broken down car, but this is not an excuse to go well its a car not a donkey so im not helping.

hornetguy · Oct 31, 2017

None. With the possible exception of the Jewish Sabbath law.... we can still spiritually keep a day for the Lord, even though it's not the Sabbath (Saturday)....

But you are correct.... you cannot follow the two greatest commandments without following all the original 10.... that was my whole point. We don't even need to know the 10, if we are truly keeping the two greatest commandments.

Hizikyah · Oct 31, 2017

hornetguy said:

but we can test our hert by reading what He had written, if our heart does not match what is written we are not 100% on the righttrack. Now thats not to say we are/need to be 100% perfect all the time, but to know and have acontrite heart, not a conscience seared with a hot iron.

Also, the 7th day is supposed to be for the will of Yah, not just to rest, but to rest from out own will and 100% focus on His will.

So how do you see it that the Sabbatrh is the only one that can be kept witout keping it? Can I keep do not steal in Jesus, while beaking it with my body? Im trying to illustrate an idea. None of us have entered into His reast eyt, His rest is the Kingdom, the 7th day Sabbath represent rest in His kingdom

Heb 3:16-19, "For some, when they had heard, rebelled. But not all rebelled who came out of Egypt through Mosheh. But with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? And to whom did He vow that they would not enter into His rest, but to those who did not obey?So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief."

Heb 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed. "

The real rest is this:

Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

Hebrews 4:1-11, "Therefore, since a promise of entering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed-- However, we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: So I vowed in My wrath, They will not enter into My rest, although the works were finished from the foundation of the world, For He spoke in a certain place of the Seventh Day, in this way: And Yahweh rested the Seventh Day from all His works. And in this place again: If they will enter into My rest. Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, Again, He designates a certain day, saying in David: ''Today,'' after so long a time, as it has been said: Today, if you will hear His voice, do not harden your hearts. If Yahshua (ben Nun) had given them rest he would not have spoken afterward of another day. Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520) to the people of Yahweh, For he who has entered into His rest (word G#2663) has also ceased from his own works, as Yahweh did from His. Therefore, let us be zealous to enter into that rest (word G#2663), so that no one may fall after the same example of unbelief."

#G4520 – sabbatismos, sabbatismos: a sabbath rest, Original Word: σαββατισμός, οῦ, ὁ, Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine, Transliteration: sabbatismos, Phonetic Spelling: (sab-bat-is-mos'), Short Definition: a Sabbath rest, Definition: a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest., Word Origin - from a derivation of sabbaton, Definition - a sabbath rest

#G2663 – katapausis, katapausis: rest, Original Word: κατάπαυσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: katapausis, Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap'-ow-sis), Short Definition: resting, rest, Definition: (in the Old Testament of the rest attained by the settlement in Canaan), resting, rest, dwelling, habitation., Word Origin - from katapauó, Definition - rest

Contrast words 4520 from Hebrews 4:9 to all the other "NT" mentions of Sabbath:

Hebrews 4:9, "Therefore, there remains the keeping of the Sabbath (word G#4520)to the people of Yahweh."

#G – sabbaton, sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: sabbaton, Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on), Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week, Definition: the Sabbath, a week., Word Origin - of Hebrew origin shabbath, Definition - the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week), 68 Occurrences

Hizikyah · Oct 31, 2017

hornetguy said:

ohh its not "jewish" that is just an excuse to ignore it by many, I was once toal and believed that also, but its not true here I will show you;

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

What is your take concening this passage?

Studyman · Oct 31, 2017

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Gosh HG,

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

What other Commandments are there?

But I just showed you where Moses taught the very same thing Jesus was preaching. The Pharisees were not teaching what Moses taught, but Jesus did.

I know how Mainstream Christianity preaches regarding this chapter. I have pretty much debunked their doctrine where this teaching is concerned. Why do you resist it so much?

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And didn't Moses teach the same things and didn't I post it? Where do you believe Jesus got His Teaching from? Some other "Law and Prophets"? Do you think He made up stuff as he went along?

That is just not true my friend. We both have been taught this, but it isn't true. God gave Moses mercy, loving kindness, compassion, forgiveness, Grace. I implore you HG, clear your mind of all the traditions and doctrines of man we have been taught from childhood and study His Word

He was correcting the false teaching people had heard for so long to show the people what Moses really said. You can read it for yourself. He also sent his Apostles to learn from Moses as well, and the apostles sent the new Converts to learn from Moses in Acts 15. But you are not taught this. I am sorry this is the case, but was it different from the religion Jesus was born into?

You are implying that Jesus created commandments, I am simply showing that everything Jesus taught was written in the Law and Prophets. I gave you some scriptures and I made the case that He was setting the record straight between what the Preachers were preaching "Those of old time" and what they were omitting. I even gave scripture where Jesus recounted this very same tactic in Matt. 23.

I know it's hard to hear. And I can't make you hear it. But that is my hope.

Studyman · Oct 31, 2017

valiant said:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

So this means Jesus created the Sabbath before He became a man, and He created this Sabbath for man. Since He was going to become one. He created it for Himself, and for me. These are not my Words, but His Teachings. He is truly "Lord of the Sabbath". So I am supposed to repent from my ways (No Sabbath) and turn to Christ with all my heart and soul, Yes? So if Jesus created a way for me to be forgiven, and He created a Sabbath for Him as a man and for me as a man. How can I not accept both? Shall I tell Him, "thanks but no thanks" or shall I tell Him, "Sorry Jesus, the Pope said Your Sabbath is not for me?

I understand that most will not accept the Jesus of the Bible, they will create on who had not created a Sabbath for man. I'm just not interested in that Jesus.

Hizikyah · Oct 31, 2017

valiant said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:20, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day."

Why did the King make an end time prophecy and think the Sabbath was still valid in the end times, which are still future? He would be a false prophet if the Sabbath were still not active. and this even shows that it is still the sabbath DAY, not som whipy spiritual I dont keep it but I keep it thing.

Also if that were not enough He says nothing will change rfom the Law;

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."[/FONT]

So it is either nothingchanged and Yahshua/Jesus is right

or

stuff changed and Yahshua\Jesus is wrong.

I believe He is right.

the ten commandments

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