Joyce Meyer

[Nehemiah6]

You just said he went to hell according to KJV.

I also said that if the WOF preachers would study properly they would discover that the KJV used the same word "hell" for Hades/Sheol, Gehenna (the Lake of Fire), and Tartarus (the prison of the evil spirits). Had they also studied properly they would have discovered that nobody has gone to the Lake of Fire as yet, and certainly not Jesus.

Post the source of your accusations. Show us in Meyers statement of faith where your accusations are founded.

Actually I did post several links in Post #13, where the actual words of Joyce Meyer are quoted and shown to be false doctrine. Sometimes the Statements of Faith appear to be very sound, but the preaching and teaching may not correspond.

 

[Dude653]

by the logic here, nothing in the bible is meant for believers lol in a bible discussion forum? nothing is ever going to be addressed to individual churches 2000 years later. everything spoken to the church, whether pre cross, post cross, pauls epistles, james, john, peter........its all addressed to the One and Only church of Jesus Christ. it will never change what he said then, is hat He is saying now. if it matters who these letters are addressed to......we can toss out every word in the bible and make up our own gospel that sounds enticing to mankind......there is a real movement in the church away from and actually against what the bible says. its frightening for the church because its spreading rapidly.

No.
There are parts of the Bible that are addressing specific individuals in a specific set of circumstances.
Remember when God asked Cain where is your brother?
Blood cries out from the soil? He wasn't talking to me because I haven't killed anyone

 

[Nehemiah6]

Blood cries out from the soil? He wasn't talking to me because I haven't killed anyone

But Jesus said that if you have hated someone, it would be the same as killing that person. He also taught that you are your brother's keeper (more precisely your neighbors keeper) through the Parable of the Good Samaritan. And something else from Cain which is applicable all is that is we do not come to God through the blood of the Lamb, He will not receive us. Cain failed to take this to heart.

 

[heartofdavid]

According to Joyce Meyer, Jesus gained victory in hell. There is no significance in saying that Jesus payed for our sins in hell, rather than the cross. Joyce Meyer is not the only person in the word of faith movement who teaches this false doctrine which denies the sufficiency of the cross - https://carm.org/did-jesus-die-spiritually

[h=2]https://www.joycemeyer.org/about/what-we-believe


What We Believe[/h][h=4]Statement of Faith[/h][FONT=&quot]The Bible is the infallible Word of God, inspired by the Holy Spirit, and contains every answer to man's problems.[/FONT]
2 Timothy 3:16,17[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]2 Peter 1:20, 21[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]There is one God, existing eternally in three persons: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.[/FONT]
John 10:30[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]John 14:26[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Philippians 2:5-7[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]God is Love and He loves all people. It is His desire to reach out to those who are poor, oppressed, widowed or orphaned, and to heal the brokenhearted.[/FONT]
Psalm 68:5,6[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]1 John 4:16[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]Man is created in the image of God but separated from God by sin. Without Jesus we cannot have a relationship with God.[/FONT]
Genesis 1:26[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]1 Timothy 2:5[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]We can have a personal relationship with God through salvation, God's free gift to man. It is not a result of what we do, but it is only available through God's unearned favor. By admitting we have sinned and believing in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, and accepting Him as Lord, we can spend eternity with God.[/FONT]
Ephesians 2:8,9[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Romans 5:1[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Romans 3:24[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]We believe in water baptism, as taught and demonstrated by Jesus, as the way for believers to identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus.[/FONT]
Matthew 28:19[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Romans 6:4[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Matthew 3:13-17[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a gift from God. He helps empower the believer to develop the character of Christ and live every day in God's will.[/FONT]
Matthew 3:11[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Acts 2:4[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]God gives all believers spiritual gifts. They are for the strengthening of God's people (the Church) and proof of God's existence and power to unbelievers. The gifts of the Spirit are active and relevant today.[/FONT]
1 Corinthians 12:4-11[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]1 Peter 4:10[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]Sanctification is the ongoing process of allowing God's character to be developed in us.[/FONT]
Romans 6:19[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Galatians 5:22-25[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]Divine healing is active in the lives of people today through Jesus, who is the Healer. Healing includes physical, mental, emotional and spiritual restoration.[/FONT]
Luke 9:11[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Matthew 9:35[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Acts 10:38[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Matthew 10:1[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]The Bible describes hell as a real place. It is a place of suffering and a place of permanent separation from God for those who die without accepting Christ. God's desire is that no one be separated from Him for eternity, which is why He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to earth.[/FONT]
Hebrews 9:27[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Revelation 20:12-15[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]John 3:16-18[FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot][HR][/HR]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus will return and take all those who have accepted Him as Savior to be with Him for eternity.[/FONT]
Acts 1:11[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]1 Thessalonians 4:13-17[FONT=&quot]; [/FONT]Hebrews 9:28

 

[heartofdavid]

leave it to ole hank hannegraf to find the dirt.

Funny that he also has some real bad problems. (plagerism and con artist big time)

She is a patron saint compared to that nasty attacker.

Thats where y'all are finding the dirt on her. Speaking of going into hell, That man is definitely a hater of the Holy Spirit.

Interesting. Like they say .....follow the money.

Is ole hank a millionaire yet from his anti Holy Spirit attack manuals?

 

[Nehemiah6]

This is a quotation and the source is at the bottom


Warning, Danger Ahead!

Joyce Meyer teaches that Jesus did not pay for sin upon the cross, but actually went to the torments of hell and made atonement there. The following quote is from Joyce Meyer's 1991 booklet on being born again which is worded differently in the 1996-updated edition.

"During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin...He paid the price there.…no plan was too extreme...Jesus paid on the cross and in hell….God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, “Let Him go.” Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus...He was resurrected from the dead 3Ú4 the first born-again man" (The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make: A Complete And Thorough Understanding Of What It Means To Be Born Again, 1991, pages 35-36, Joyce Meyer) This quote was found from the Christian Research Institute's article on Joyce Meyer which can be found by "Clicking Here".

In her 1996 edition of "The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make" Joyce Meyer states the same things but with different wording.

"Believe that Jesus did what the Bible says. Believe He is indeed the Son of God, born of a virgin. He took man's sin on the cross. He did not stay dead. He was in the grave three days. During that time, He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin." (Page 41, 1996-Edition) Notice the similar wording in this quote compared to the other quote.

"Whatever it took to get God's people back, free again, is what they would do. Jesus paid for our sins on the cross and went to hell in our place." (Page 41, 1996-Edition) Whatever it took means that Jesus had to go to hell, suffer and be tormented by demons in our place.

"When Jesus hung on the cross, He took our sin upon Himself. God cannot stay in the presence of sin. As Jesus took our sin, He was separated from the presence of the Father...Jesus was taking your sins and those of everyone else upon Him as He felt this absence of His Father's presence. He said, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" [Matt. 27:46, author's paraphrase] Jesus knew it would happen, but the horror of separation from the bright presence of the Father was worse than He could of imagined, and it caused Him to cry out...and His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go." (Page 42, 1996-Edition)

This is a common teaching among the Faith Movement whereas they teach Jesus died spiritually and became literally the nature of sin. Thus, the Father turned away from Jesus while He was on the cross and Jesus died alone. Check out our article "Was Jesus Separated From The Father On The Cross?" for further information on Jesus being separated from the Father and becoming spiritually dead.

"There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place. He became your substitute and took all the punishment you deserve. He bore all your sins. He paid the dept you owe...Jesus went to hell for you. He died for you. He paid for your sins." (Page 43, 1996-Edition)

Concerning being born again and what is required to be saved we see Joyce Meyer teaching:
1.
"Believe...what the Bible says."
2.
That when Jesus was on the cross He did not stay dead but went to hell.
3.
That Jesus went to hell in our place because that is where we deserved to go.

http://forgottenword.org/meyers.html

 

[Speak2Me]

 

[Willie-T]

I'm older than most of you. Way older than a lot of you, and I imagine I have listened to at least as many preachers as almost any of you. And I have yet to listen to one that does not eventually say something I think is wrong and not Biblical.

That said, who here can tell me that our Salvation is dependent upon us knowing whether Jesus spent a certain number of hours dead, or went down to Hell at a specific time, for a specific purpose? I'll venture to say, not a one of you. Oh, of course I have been here long enough to give you a list of at least seventeen people who would gladly CLAIM they can say that.... but I figure that if they will lie about that, they'll lie about other things, too.

 

[jaybird88]

I'm older than most of you. Way older than a lot of you, and I imagine I have listened to at least as many preachers as almost any of you. And I have yet to listen to one that does not eventually say something I think is wrong and not Biblical.

That said, who here can tell me that our Salvation is dependent upon us knowing whether Jesus spent a certain number of hours dead, or went down to Hell at a specific time, for a specific purpose? I'll venture to say, not a one of you. Oh, of course I have been here long enough to give you a list of at least seventeen people who would gladly CLAIM they can say that.... but I figure that if they will lie about that, they'll lie about other things, too.

i have studied the bible for many years, have lots of knowledge yet i could not create a check list on the specifics of how to obtain salvation. i read what Jesus taught and try and follow those teachings the best i can, i have faith the spirit will lead me correctly.

 

[Bladerunner]

No.

Paul said SCRIPTURE SAYS.

And Paul quoted Luke and what he was inspired to WRITE.

It is QUOTE from scripture. A QUOTE from Luke.

Please show us another scripture that QUOTES," for the laborer is worthy of his wages."

Luke is the only one. And Paul calls it scripture.

NO,,,What God said, Paul wrote down..... Keep in mind that this is not Paul speaking and someone writing down what he said....When Paul wrote something that is included in the Bible, then Jesus was the orator. If you look at the v.17 verse as well, you get the context of the reason for v18.

I might add, that I am not surprised that this type of dispute (GOD vs MAN) happens with more regularity than not. And it will get worse as we get closer to the Rapture and Daniel's 70th week. Anything to diminish the Bible and its contents in the eyes of many.

While I and others on this forum are in the minority, we still believe that GOD wrote or inspired every word of the Bible. The words "For the scripture saith," in 1 Tim 5:18 like the words "described by the prophet Daniel " in Matt 19:8 could have been, as you would say, written by Matthew. I say it was given to Matthew by Jesus.

If Paul did it, then why not Matthew or the Other writers....NOPE. Like "Global Warming", the idea that there are words that are thought of and written down by MAN instead of GOD is a fabrication of Man's puny efforts to make His own destiny..

It is not going to work people....If you are listening to people like the name on this thread, Then you have bigger problems to deal with than Who wrote 1 TIM 5:18.and time is running out.

 

[Dude653]

Why would God want women to be silent in church? That doesn't even make sense. I know a lot of women who are much more educated than I am so why would I not want to learn from them?

 

[followjesus]

In many cases, the context clearly addresses a specific and esoteric problem in the church addressed... such as the man having his father's wife.... and when specific names are called out. And I'm pretty sure Paul didn't give all of us a blanket pass to slug some wine when our stomach was upset. That would be a cruel thing to do to an alcoholic. Those are but a few of the obvious ones, yet we do go way overboard trying to make just about anything said in those letters apply almost exclusively to us.

In many cases, the context clearly addresses a specific and esoteric problem in the church addressed... such as the man having his father's wife."


willie consider this like your example here. while your correct, this is addressed to this specific church, because of the specific problem. no argument. what im saying is look at all paul says here regarding this subject, and that hat He is saying to them, is all still applicable to us, it is to instruct us. from this forward, every church should Know " sexual immorality is not in any way acceptable in the church" something paul taught frewuently in His epistles. but take an unbias look here at hoe much we can learn that directly applies to our faith and belief.


It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. ( this should tell you, sins consequences are not void paul is holding this man and the church accountable this teaches us the principle it doesnt have to be addressed to us directly it is no less the wisdom of God for the church)
3For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? ( sin spreads) 7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: (this explains that Jesus is our passover lamb)

8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.Expel the Immoral Brother
9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.


this of course leads to the second epistle where paul teaches them about godly sorrow that produced thier repentance in this matter. the point im saying willie is while you are right its not personally addressed to anyone now days, nor is anything in scripture. it doesnt change the truth of what is there and what we can learn from the epistles. according to just this section and the continuation in 2 corinthians of this matter, there is a wealth of understanding.


its the knowledge and truth we need. for instance this tells us sin is not to be accepted in the church, it is not to go un punished so that the person might later be saved, it tells as as paul often does that sexual sin is deadly and spreads. it really sort of refutes the conditionless no guilt, no punishment theory all together when you accept How paul was teaching the corinthians his pride and joy. His crown as he calls them. we learn from the knowledge, and lessons, and warnings God gave to His people because he is the same what he said to a chirsitian church then, applies now there is a reason the scripture survived from babylon to the destruction of rome and all the way to the dead sea scrolls, its Gods will that His word is Known to all people for a witness all are offered salvation the same path. its all for our learning and belief

the church is in chaos because there are so few that learn what the bible says, and too many who study worldly theology "decyphering" what the bible says. its not discernable through intellect, it has to be discerned through its own course by scripture. it tells a message its all relevant and all meant for us to Learn and Know to keep us in the right paths

 

[Bladerunner]

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her financials have absolutely 'everything' to do with what she preaches...as do all of the 'other'
so called 'new-age-preachers'...

can you even imagine in whatever place your head is residing, because of what you have 'bought into'
her/their schtick' that you can 'love your neighbor' and not take care of their immediate needs?,
all the while living way beyond your own needs to the point that you knowingly know that most of
your congregation are 'poor and in need of such simple things such as money to pay their
electric bill??? may God forgive them and have mercy, for they shall surely reap what they sow...

living in carnal oppulence??? while those who you are 'begging from are poor and in great need???
actually begging the widows and the poor to 'support you'!!!

ask yourself in all honesty, is this a Godly thing, and is this what JESUS expects of those who
claim to be His representatives??? God forbid...

OK, I thought you were for her. However, her financial's does not affect the congregation minds as much as what she is preaching.

Have a blessed Thanksgiving
Blade

 

[Willie-T]

In many cases, the context clearly addresses a specific and esoteric problem in the church addressed... such as the man having his father's wife."


willie consider this like your example here. while your correct, this is addressed to this specific church, because of the specific problem. no argument. what im saying is look at all paul says here regarding this subject, and that hat He is saying to them, is all still applicable to us, it is to instruct us. from this forward, every church should Know " sexual immorality is not in any way acceptable in the church" something paul taught frewuently in His epistles. but take an unbias look here at hoe much we can learn that directly applies to our faith and belief.


It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 2And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. ( this should tell you, sins consequences are not void paul is holding this man and the church accountable this teaches us the principle it doesnt have to be addressed to us directly it is no less the wisdom of God for the church)
3For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, 4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? ( sin spreads) 7Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: (this explains that Jesus is our passover lamb)

8Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.Expel the Immoral Brother
9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.


this of course leads to the second epistle where paul teaches them about godly sorrow that produced thier repentance in this matter. the point im saying willie is while you are right its not personally addressed to anyone now days, nor is anything in scripture. it doesnt change the truth of what is there and what we can learn from the epistles. according to just this section and the continuation in 2 corinthians of this matter, there is a wealth of understanding.


its the knowledge and truth we need. for instance this tells us sin is not to be accepted in the church, it is not to go un punished so that the person might later be saved, it tells as as paul often does that sexual sin is deadly and spreads. it really sort of refutes the conditionless no guilt, no punishment theory all together when you accept How paul was teaching the corinthians his pride and joy. His crown as he calls them. we learn from the knowledge, and lessons, and warnings God gave to His people because he is the same what he said to a chirsitian church then, applies now there is a reason the scripture survived from babylon to the destruction of rome and all the way to the dead sea scrolls, its Gods will that His word is Known to all people for a witness all are offered salvation the same path. its all for our learning and belief

the church is in chaos because there are so few that learn what the bible says, and too many who study worldly theology "decyphering" what the bible says. its not discernable through intellect, it has to be discerned through its own course by scripture. it tells a message its all relevant and all meant for us to Learn and Know to keep us in the right paths

Of course. And the whole point of any of this stupidity of addressing these foolish things is to counter what some knuckleheads on here claim.... that every single word of Paul's letters were written directly to us..... not just the understanding of principles, but that each word of every message or comment was addressed specifically to us. To me, it is absurd to even have to say that is not so.

 

[Bladerunner]

Also when Paul wrote these letters he was specifically addressing the churches of Corinth and Ephesus.

How many letters and to What Churches? Me smell parallel letters

 

[followjesus]

i agree, it makes things easier to cherry pick. Jesus teaches one thing, Paul teaches the same thing but its worded a bit different, and people use that as a "what Jesus really meant" and thats how they change a teaching of Jesus.

i hear a lot of James vs Paul , Jesus vs Paul and to me its taking things a bit to far. its the same message just different voices. Jesus and James were Hebrew / Aramaic speakers, they probably spoke Greek but Hebrew was their first language, Paul was a Greek speaker. Greeks and Jews taught different. if you compare Greek and Jewish teaching you can see how they are presented differently.

Greeks and Jews taught different. if you compare Greek and Jewish teaching you can see how they are presented differently.


absolutely, the cultural differences between humble jewish fishermen, a tax collector, and a learned roman citizen/ pharisee. ive sort of believed that one of the reasons God chose paul to reach gentiles with the gospel, is because he was a greek speaker, and learned roman citizen, and also eliquent writer. these are tools peter for instance did not possess, not being able to even write the gospel of Mark himself, but having mark dictate it because he couldnt write in greek. God choses people because of thier strengths and also sometimes thier weaknesses to accomplish amazing things. i think paul reflects the fact that both jew and greek were responsible for Jesus death, and He is the savior of both Jew and gentile.

 

[Bladerunner]

by the logic here, nothing in the bible is meant for believers lol in a bible discussion forum? nothing is ever going to be addressed to individual churches 2000 years later. everything spoken to the church, whether pre cross, post cross, pauls epistles, james, john, peter........its all addressed to the One and Only church of Jesus Christ. it will never change what he said then, is hat He is saying now. if it matters who these letters are addressed to......we can toss out every word in the bible and make up our own gospel that sounds enticing to mankind......there is a real movement in the church away from and actually against what the bible says. its frightening for the church because its spreading rapidly.

Yes and we are in the minority.

 

[followjesus]

Of course. And the whole point of any of this stupidity of addressing these foolish things is to counter what some knuckleheads on here claim.... that every single word of Paul's letters were written directly to us..... not just the understanding of principles, but that each word of every message or comment was addressed specifically to us. To me, it is absurd to even have to say that is not so.

i think possibly you are mistaken in what they are saying, every word is for us. but for instance " Jesus commanded 2 disciples to go get an asses colt for him to ride into jerusalem upon" this is for us to know, and believe. but there is a difference in a teaching or lesson, or a fulfillment of prophecy as this was. Jesus says when people got offended because he said " you must eat my flesh and drink my blood" they took it litterally Jesus replies " My word is spirit, it is the spiritthat qickens, the words i speak to you are spirit and Life"

he is saying " Hear what im saying inside the words im speaking, hear the spirit in my word it will bring life to your innerman. its the message from God we need to accept. your right every single word isnt a comkmandment to obey, but the commandments, teachings, lessons, examples, warnings every word is meant for us to search and believe and consider because even paul says thesame thing about the word

1 corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual."

spiritual words are spiritual because of the understanding, the knowledge that they convey to us. i understand what you are saying better now and i dont disagree, its all meant for us directly, but it doesnt address us directly, we learn from the church of record thier ways, teachings doctrines. and through the holy spirit that comes into us through those words, discernment happens.


Good to see you posting lately man, God Loves you

 

[followjesus]

Yes and we are in the minority.

1 peter 1: Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."
matthew 24:35 : Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

2 timothy 4: "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

 

[followjesus]

I also said that if the WOF preachers would study properly they would discover that the KJV used the same word "hell" for Hades/Sheol, Gehenna (the Lake of Fire), and Tartarus (the prison of the evil spirits). Had they also studied properly they would have discovered that nobody has gone to the Lake of Fire as yet, and certainly not Jesus.

Actually I did post several links in Post #13, where the actual words of Joyce Meyer are quoted and shown to be false doctrine. Sometimes the Statements of Faith appear to be very sound, but the preaching and teaching may not correspond.

Jesus had to go into hell in order to take the keys of hades and death and set the captives free.

acts 2 "For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,35Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.