predestination?

[SovereignGrace]

Lol.. dude, How can the world repent unless the HS acts as a human spirit? How can the HS teach unless he acts as a human spirit?

What your doing is attacking me because you have nothing. You may hate my believe, thats fine, I HATE YOUR BELIEF ALSO.

So are we going to discuss this like men, and give our reasons, (including scripture. Which I gave) or sit here and attack each other?

LOL? I am glad you can take some brevity from this? Wowzers!!

There is One Supreme Being, God. God is three person within the Godhead. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. He's a thrice holy Supreme being.

We are human beings. We are nothing like Him, and He even said such when He said "You thought that I was just like you; "

For you to emasculate God(when you typed "The HS acts as a human spirit"), you made in no better than those idols in Romans 1:23.

Oh, and I am through with you and your heresies. Time to throw another log in the burn pile.

Adios senor.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG,

I am not understanding what you mean by the Holy Spirit acts as a human spirit?

It is a term, Your human spirit is dead. So the things of God is foolishness to you. The HS has to take the things of God and make them not foolish to you (ie act as a human spirit)

1. To teach you about your condemnation
2. To teach you Gods provision
3. To show you the guilt
4. To make the cross understandable

because if these things do not occurre You will never repent. If you do not repent, you will never come to faith, if you never come to faith, your sins will never be forgiven if your sins are never forgiven, you will go to eternity in your sin, and will suffer the second death.

 

[SovereignGrace]

EG,

I am not understanding what you mean by the Holy Spirit acts as a human spirit?

Thankfully someone else sees this foolishness!! Thank you!!

 

[UnderGrace]

I agree, Repentance is not given by God, the word is stripped of its meaning if this was true.

show me that in scriptuture?

The bible says we

1. REPENT
2. Call out on the name of the lord to be saved
3. By faith, are justified freely.


You will not find, that God makes us alive, and at that point, we repent, have faith and call out on the name of the lord.

You find the opposite, You find the word tell us to repent, and out of this repentance, we call out to God.

Again, Those wh0o believe are not condemned, those who do not believe are condemned already because they do not believe.

As Jesus aid, it is the will of the father that all who believer are made alive, given eternal life will never die and will be ressurected.

he did not say I chose, and when I allow you to. You repent, and you believe, he gives a command, DO not eat the food which perishes, but the food which endures forever.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

...and he continues to propagate his heresy. Unreal!

And you continue to act like a pharisee and attack instead of give proof.

I hope you know. Your feeding into the hate that people have against calvanists because of the way they act.

 

[UnderGrace]

Well why not just ask...I get it you guys are on the defensive, so may be it is hard to be nice, but really c'mon no point in overreacting.

Thankfully someone else sees this foolishness!! Thank you!!

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yep a complete waste of alleged and unsubstantiated "study." I'd ask what he's read last but Google theologians always find an answer quick like.

I'm amazed how he is now trying to spin things to clean up his messy theology. He says he repented while dead in sin and if he and others didn't perform this miraculous act no one could be saved. Now he's trying hard to say he was made alive. Too. While still dead. Or something.

Not only that but how he has the Spirit of God acting as a human spirit. Of course no Scripture supports ANY of this or the above.

He and I are done. Ignoreville for him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL? I am glad you can take some brevity from this? Wowzers!!

There is One Supreme Being, God. God is three person within the Godhead. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. He's a thrice holy Supreme being.

We are human beings. We are nothing like Him, and He even said such when He said "You thought that I was just like you; "

For you to emasculate God(when you typed "The HS acts as a human spirit"), you made in no better than those idols in Romans 1:23.

Oh, and I am through with you and your heresies. Time to throw another log in the burn pile.

Adios senor.

Lol.. All your doing is knocking what you do not understand

You do not understand what I mean, so you have no defense against it, So what do you do? You attack, belittle.

You make God into an evil dictator who creates people for the sole purpose of sending them to hell. Twist it however you want, that is what you make God out to be, He causes evil. he forced people agains their will. I can go on and on.

But hey, if it makes you feel better to belittle people. Go right ahead, I am secure in my skin because I am a child of God. No one can make an accusation against Gods children, because G9od has their back.

So go ahead, attack all you want.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well why not just ask...I get it you guys are on the defensive, so may be it is hard to be nice, but really c'mon no point in overreacting.

it is much easier to attack what you do not know then to ask to find out what people actually mean.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He and I are done. Ignoreville for him.

There you go..Thanks bro.. If thats the way your gonna act. I do not want you to respond to me anyway.

And I expected it. Anyone who disagrees with you you act this way.. All one has to do is go back and see how you respond to people who disagree with fatalism.

 

[preacher4truth]

show me that in scriptuture?

The bible says we

1. REPENT
2. Call out on the name of the lord to be saved
3. By faith, are justified freely.


You will not find, that God makes us alive, and at that point, we repent, have faith and call out on the name of the lord.

You find the opposite, You find the word tell us to repent, and out of this repentance, we call out to God.

Again, Those wh0o believe are not condemned, those who do not believe are condemned already because they do not believe.

As Jesus aid, it is the will of the father that all who believer are made alive, given eternal life will never die and will be ressurected.

he did not say I chose, and when I allow you to. You repent, and you believe, he gives a command, DO not eat the food which perishes, but the food which endures forever.

He asked for Scripture and you've provided YOU instead and exactly ZERO Scripture. Completely expected and understandable since no Scripture supports your beliefs.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I agree, Repentance is not given by God, the word is stripped of its meaning if this was true.

And yet again, scripture refutes your belief here...

He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.[Acts 5:31]

When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”[Acts 11:18]

with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,[2 Timothy 2:25]

Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?[Romans 2:4]

 

[UnderGrace]

I understand completely and agree.

It shows the role of Holy Spirit which I can relate to in my own experience, and it is in keeping with scripture that God draws but we respond.

It is a term, Your human spirit is dead. So the things of God is foolishness to you. The HS has to take the things of God and make them not foolish to you (ie act as a human spirit)

1. To teach you about your condemnation
2. To teach you Gods provision
3. To show you the guilt
4. To make the cross understandable

because if these things do not occurre You will never repent. If you do not repent, you will never come to faith, if you never come to faith, your sins will never be forgiven if your sins are never forgiven, you will go to eternity in your sin, and will suffer the second death.

 

[preacher4truth]

He and I are done. Ignoreville for him.

I understand. That he lied on me and carries on as if it's no biggie to sin like that he's earned it. I have no use for those who falsely accuse.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Well why not just ask...I get it you guys are on the defensive, so may be it is hard to be nice, but really c'mon no point in overreacting.

Theology matters because its the study of God. When EG stated "The HS acts as a human spirit", I rightly called him to the carpet for this utter heresy.

 

[preacher4truth]

And yet again, scripture refutes your belief here...

He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.[Acts 5:31]

When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”[Acts 11:18]

with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,[2 Timothy 2:25]

Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?[Romans 2:4]

NAILED!!! However she doesn't believe Scripture, she believes what she contorts Scripture into saying or not saying.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He asked for Scripture and you've provided YOU instead and exactly ZERO Scripture. Completely expected and understandable since no Scripture supports your beliefs.

yep. I can not find scripture that says we are regenerated BEFORE repent.

But then again, I ask you for scripture.

Please stop. People can read my post and see your response had nothing to do with what I said.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I understand. That he lied on me and carries on as if it's no biggie to sin like that he's earned it. I have no use for those who falsely accuse.

Lol.. You all are making me laugh now.

I proved what I said was true.. You can not refute it, now your gonna continue?

 

[Blain]

You accept exactly zero correction and only offer cop out responses. Where are you, humble student who accuses others of throwing Scripture around, while making excuses for yourself and your errors?

I take correction from those I know give sound correction, if it was from someone like you who has had beef with me for several reasons for quite a while I would be less inclined to receive but I would still consider it. And also there is a difference between accusing and stating a fact, anyone who has frequented the bdf for a good while has seen how scriptures are so often posted and used to simply prove the other person wrong they are even used to attack others and mock and if you show then or twenty verses to prove your point you will get ten or twenty that contradict it.

This is not what the scriptures are for, yes they are to be used for building up and to edify they are also useful in showing where a bother or sister is in error but there is a fine line in using the scriptures like this and simply trying to prove the other person wrong or to use it to attack others. Some even claim to be doing so for the sake of the truth but the intents of their hearts are not so. The word of God is not a toy and is sacred and to be treated as a precious treasure and so we should be careful in how we use it. Just because I prefer to use them to encourage and build and to help others doesn't mean I am making any excuses I just prefer to to use them in a way I have seen God do wondrous things and as for the debates I do use them but mainly I let the words that are placed on my heart do the work.

It's the one way I have seen God use me the most and often times peoples hearts are impacted, if a person doesn't like what is spoken it may not have been for them I never know if the words that I am lead to say is for the person it was directed towards or if it was meant for someone who would read it or if it was even for me as he sometimes speaks to me through me. And this is not to say that every time I am right as I admit there are times when I make the mistake of thinking it was his words that were placed in my heart to speak when it was actually my own but even in heated debates this method has done so much more for me than simply posting verses.

This is just how god and I operate and I am sorry you have issues with me I am far from perfect and if I am in error and if I am acting un Christ like then I ask for correction but I need more than a person who who has beef with me I need people who actually know me well such maybe Eg for instance or blue lady bug or at least someone who I knows me well. I know that sometimes I can go overboard and that I can sometimes be in the wrong without even realizing it

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Theology matters because its the study of God. When EG stated "The HS acts as a human spirit", I rightly called him to the carpet for this utter heresy.

Lol. Your may have called me on the carpet. But you failed to prove me wrong.

I learned this fact 30 years ago it is not my own thoughts, and i more than adequately backed up my view.

All you did was attack me, because you could not refute what I said.