Prosperity preaching Pastor prosecuted, prisoned

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FYI...

This thread was not to tear anyone down, but expose false teaching(s).

This not a Calvinist tearing down an non-Calvinist thread.

I equally loathe Church of Christ and RCC theologies as much as I do prosperity teaching.
What's the beef man? We are simply exposing a false teacher named John MacArthur, the majority seems fine with this, it is your minority that finds it harsh. He may not preach prosperity but he makes thousands selling his own books and literature.

This makes him even worse than a prosperity teacher, because while he is teaching you that is wrong, he gets a free pass and is living as an exception. MacArthur is famous for diversion away from himself, so the dark secrets never reach the light.

IOW, he is proudly pushing: Do what I say, not what I do and hide from you.
 

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#83
FYI...

This thread was not to tear anyone down, but expose false teaching(s).

This not a Calvinist tearing down an non-Calvinist thread.

I equally loathe Church of Christ and RCC theologies as much as I do prosperity teaching.
I agree with you.
But neither is any other thread, free of tearing each other apart.

It's ok to disagree and talk and walk together.
But it's not to tear anyone down.

If we think that someone has false teaching in thier lives do we humiliate or walk in love a pray that lies are replaced with truth?

I have to be honest I haven't researched Calvansim, I am aware of it and looked into it.

As for me I just want to be like Jesus and be the person he called me to be.

And this I know


John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
 
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Hmm let's look at the above then the below.
First off, I am not in the least bit sorry for the post of mine you quoted. It is in fact accurate. It shows how I gave you deserved respect at first, then after your patronizing of others false doctrines that damn men's souls, I lost that respect.

I especially lost it when you decided to go after me while the likes of PeterJens, mj007, jimbo (in other words all those of his ilk who reject salvation in Christ alone) and others got a bye with your plea to give them an ear.

Feel free to dog my steps, sir, with what I said. Post away from thread to thread in attempt to malign. I'm a big boy and can handle it.

Now I want to take a look at this:

P4t has probably put me back on ignore so not sure if he will see this.
I'm sickening to him.
Your behavior is sickening to me. You compromise the Gospel then blast those who stand on sound exegesis. My wish is that you would not compromise the Gospel and patronize heretics, but rather expose them. Like maybe pretend they're me? Maybe that will help drive you?????

In other posts he saw fit to humiliate me, displayed his hatred for other brothers as well on other threads.
Hmmm...it appears that the attempts to humiliate are right here and now from you. And...the post where you attempted to humiliate me, you said you never even took a chance to look at what EG said in response (he also got a bye) and just went on to assault me. No bias there. Seems to be a pattern here? Looks like great disdain in your heart for someone in particular.

Just for the record I Pm'd earlier. Title was "Olive branch" seeking reconciliation. No response
And here you are, publicly attempting to humiliate. Again.

For the record, when I said I was putting you on ignore, that's what I did. So, I never got your PM my friend because you were, and are on ignore.

But hey, nice public slam of me and attempt to make yourself appear much higher in so doing.

So I ask: Why are you painting yourself as the one who tried to reconcile? To exalt yourself? Why the assumption, publicly, as if I got it and chose not to respond? To make me look bad and to make you look good? Yes?

FYI for me "I'm ecstatic you apologised" is sarcasm.

Nothing but love and compassion.

P4t where does your hatred for brothers come from?
I have no hatred for any brother. Where is yours coming from? Why are you making this post to humiliate another person?

Yes. That's why.

Why the hatred, lack of compassion, dragging up and older post? Isn't that what "love" does? Recalls another's perceived wrong of you and chase them around with it? Right?

My guess is that those who disagree with you are not brothers, that's why you hate them because they do not agree with you.
Your guess is incorrect and is just another attempt to malign me, which is OK, it appears to be what you do. Wish you had the nads to do that to the heretics, but the record shows you patronize them instead.

Before God, I have no hatred for any brother who knows Christ, that Christ alone saves, whether Arminian, anti-cal, otherwise &c. Now, go ahead, continue on and spread this around, propagate it, dog my steps with it.

This is a debate site and I will come against their teachings just as they will come against mine, and any others, and for the record there is much heresy on this site. When anyone's teachings are false and when they make untrue statements of others I'm going to chime in and defend the Gospel.

I hope that's OK with you.
 
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I don't think so but for some reason it's creeped in.
That was not the intention of the OP.
I understand that it wasn't the intent of this thread.

My comment was an apparently poor attempt at humor, playing off of what SG said.

But he has me on ignore anyway, so..
 
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I don't think so but for some reason it's creeped in.
That was not the intention of the OP.
you would be right Bill, but I grow weary of these guys hijacking other threads and trying to be super spiritual in their Calvinism while scorching everything around them as false.

The OP is about prosperity preachers and I know many that also consider John MacArthur a prosperity preacher because of his own personal wealth, while he condemns others around him like Joel Osteen.

MacArthur and his boys on this thread easily point a finger at others, but when someone grabs an breaks that pointer off at the 2nd knuckle they get all quiet and victim like.
 
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First off, I am not in the least bit sorry for the post of mine you quoted. It is in fact accurate. It shows how I gave you deserved respect at first, then after your patronizing of others false doctrines that damn men's souls, I lost that respect.

I especially lost it when you decided to go after me while the likes of PeterJens, mj007, jimbo (in other words all those of his ilk who reject salvation in Christ alone) and others got a bye with your plea to give them an ear.

Feel free to dog my steps, sir, with what I said. Post away from thread to thread in attempt to malign. I'm a big boy and can handle it.

Now I want to take a look at this:



Your behavior is sickening to me. You compromise the Gospel then blast those who stand on sound exegesis. My wish is that you would not compromise the Gospel and patronize heretics, but rather expose them. Like maybe pretend they're me? Maybe that will help drive you?????



Hmmm...it appears that the attempts to humiliate are right here and now from you. And...the post where you attempted to humiliate me, you said you never even took a chance to look at what EG said in response (he also got a bye) and just went on to assault me. No bias there. Seems to be a pattern here? Looks like great disdain in your heart for someone in particular.



And here you are, publicly attempting to humiliate. Again.

For the record, when I said I was putting you on ignore, that's what I did. So, I never got your PM my friend because you were, and are on ignore.

But hey, nice public slam of me and attempt to make yourself appear much higher in so doing.

So I ask: Why are you painting yourself as the one who tried to reconcile? To exalt yourself? Why the assumption, publicly, as if I got it and chose not to respond? To make me look bad and to make you look good? Yes?



I have no hatred for any brother. Where is yours coming from? Why are you making this post to humiliate another person?

Yes. That's why.

Why the hatred, lack of compassion, dragging up and older post? Isn't that what "love" does? Recalls another's perceived wrong of you and chase them around with it? Right?



Your guess is incorrect and is just another attempt to malign me, which is OK, it appears to be what you do. Wish you had the nads to do that to the heretics, but the record shows you patronize them instead.

Before God, I have no hatred for any brother who knows Christ, that Christ alone saves, whether Arminian, anti-cal, otherwise &c. Now, go ahead, continue on and spread this around, propagate it, dog my steps with it.

This is a debate site and I will come against their teachings just as they will come against mine, and any others, and for the record there is much heresy on this site. When anyone's teachings are false and when they make untrue statements of others I'm going to chime in and defend the Gospel.

I hope that's OK with you.

Thank you for yet again, proving our point.
 

shrume

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you would be right Bill, but I grow weary of these guys hijacking other threads and trying to be super spiritual in their Calvinism while scorching everything around them as false.

The OP is about prosperity preachers and I know many that also consider John MacArthur a prosperity preacher because of his own personal wealth, while he condemns others around him like Joel Osteen.

MacArthur and his boys on this thread easily point a finger at others, but when someone grabs an breaks that pointer off at the 2nd knuckle they get all quiet and victim like.
I don't know if MacArthur qualifies as a prosperity preacher or not.

Two things I believe he is glaringly wrong about are his promotion of Calvinism and his teaching against the manifestations (AKA "gifts") of the Holy Spirit.
 
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I don't know if MacArthur qualifies as a prosperity preacher or not.

Two things I believe he is glaringly wrong about are his promotion of Calvinism and his teaching against the manifestations (AKA "gifts") of the Holy Spirit.
I hear ya and can see that on prosperity preaching. I know he does not preach prosperity, but he condemns others that do and hides the fact he makes a large amount of money[millions] himself. It is this level of hypocrisy that really tests my fruit of the Spirit.


He is now totally against anything of the Holy Spirit, except for the seal of redemption.
 

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First off, I am not in the least bit sorry for the post of mine you quoted. It is in fact accurate. It shows how I gave you deserved respect at first, then after your patronizing of others false doctrines that damn men's souls, I lost that respect.

I especially lost it when you decided to go after me while the likes of PeterJens, mj007, jimbo (in other words all those of his ilk who reject salvation in Christ alone) and others got a bye with your plea to give them an ear.

Feel free to dog my steps, sir, with what I said. Post away from thread to thread in attempt to malign. I'm a big boy and can handle it.

Now I want to take a look at this:



Your behavior is sickening to me. You compromise the Gospel then blast those who stand on sound exegesis. My wish is that you would not compromise the Gospel and patronize heretics, but rather expose them. Like maybe pretend they're me? Maybe that will help drive you?????



Hmmm...it appears that the attempts to humiliate are right here and now from you. And...the post where you attempted to humiliate me, you said you never even took a chance to look at what EG said in response (he also got a bye) and just went on to assault me. No bias there. Seems to be a pattern here? Looks like great disdain in your heart for someone in particular.



And here you are, publicly attempting to humiliate. Again.

For the record, when I said I was putting you on ignore, that's what I did. So, I never got your PM my friend because you were, and are on ignore.

But hey, nice public slam of me and attempt to make yourself appear much higher in so doing.



I have no hatred for any brother. Where is yours coming from? Why are you making this post to humiliate another person? Why are you painting yourself as the one who tried to reconcile? To exalt yourself? Why the assumption, publicly, as if I got it and chose not to respond? To make me look bad and to make you look good? Yes?

Yes. That's why.

Why the hatred, lack of compassion, dragging up and older post? Isn't that what "love" does? Recalls another's perceived wrong of you and chase them around with it? Right?



Your guess is incorrect and is just another attempt to malign me, which is OK, it appears to be what you do. Wish you had the nads to do that to the heretics, but the record shows you patronize them instead.

Before God, I have no hatred for any brother who knows Christ, that Christ alone saves, whether Arminian, anti-cal, otherwise &c. Now, go ahead, continue on and spread this around, propagate it, dog my steps with it.

This is a debate site and I will come against the their teachings, and any others, and for the record there is much heresy on this site. When anyone's teachings are false and when they make untrue statements of others I'm going to chime in and defend the Gospel.

I hope that's OK with you.
No olive branch then?

Did you read my private message to you?
I have no problem you telling me I am wrong I really do not. The problem is how.
If you took the the time to look at my PM then you have known that.


I was looking for reconciliation, but hatred.

But you have done the same on the thread as in other threads.

You seek to make others looks bad and boy you do a good job. Very professional job indeed.

That's why I posted what I did.

It's obvious that we both differ how walk and interact with fellow brothers.

So let's not detract from this thread anymore.
If you are willing to discuss off topic then I am.

Olive branch or should I stick it where the sun don't shine?
 
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No olive branch then?

Did you read my private message to you?
I have no problem you telling me I am wrong I really do not. The problem is how.
If you took the the time to look at my PM then you have known that.


I was looking for reconciliation, but hatred.

But you have done the same on the thread as in other threads.

You seek to make others looks bad and boy you do a good job. Very professional job indeed.

That's why I posted what I did.

It's obvious that we both differ how walk and interact with fellow brothers.

So let's not detract from this thread anymore.
If you are willing to discuss off topic then I am.

Olive branch or should I stick it where the sun don't shine?
better yet do what Jesus said to do, shake the dust off your feet. I just placed him back on ignore myself.
 

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I understand that it wasn't the intent of this thread.

My comment was an apparently poor attempt at humor, playing off of what SG said.

But he has me on ignore anyway, so..
I saw the smiley face. Saw the humour.

It's a good job Jesus doesn't put people on ignore.
 

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better yet do what Jesus said to do, shake the dust off your feet. I just placed him back on ignore myself.
Mate That's not me though.

Not saying it's wrong to do it, but I can't get my mind around the reasons for doing so.

Maybe I'm weak or an optimist.
 
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That is just ridiculous....you know what really comes to my mind when I see things like this? The parable of the man who had barns and he received a harvest so great that he said within himself, What shall I do? My barns aren't big enough, Oh I know, i'll tear these down and build up new bigger barns and say to my soul to take ease, eat drink and be merry.....and you know what God called him? A fool...not only that, he took him out of this world that night. I'd seriously like to see what this preacher would do if a lame poor man came and knocked on his door asking for alms or for food....I'd love to be the fly on that wall.
I read about a king who was so rich it's hard to imagine. Other kings and queens would visit him and bring him exotic animals so often, he had a zoo that would make Michael Jackson's zoo look like a petting zoo in a barn. He had servants doing everything for him, but govern, and even had more wives than he could visit in three years -- one by one at night.

He took out the biggest trees in the entire area to make a building, and inside the building was so much gold, they even had gold grills to cook on.

Pathetically rich, right? Surely he could have done something better with the money than that. He should have given each of his citizens their own luxurious house. But he didn't. Filthy, disgustingly rich, right? Ridiculous, right?



Oh yeah. Forgot to mention his name.

Solomon.

(It really bothers me when even Christians envy rich people.)
 

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For the record, when I said I was putting you on ignore, that's what I did. So, I never got your PM my friend because you were, and are on ignore.

But hey, nice public slam of me and attempt to make yourself appear much higher in so doing.

So I ask: Why are you painting yourself as the one who tried to reconcile? To exalt yourself? Why the assumption, publicly, as if I got it and chose not to respond? To make me look bad and to make yo
Thanks for clarifying why you did not get my PM
In did pm you offering an olive branch.
Maybe if you took me if ignore just to read it and know where I am coming from
If after that you still wish to put me back on ignore then please do so.

Anyway God bless you and us all.
May we all strive to walk in the ways of him.
 
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I read about a king who was so rich it's hard to imagine. Other kings and queens would visit him and bring him exotic animals so often, he had a zoo that would make Michael Jackson's zoo look like a petting zoo in a barn. He had servants doing everything for him, but govern, and even had more wives than he could visit in three years -- one by one at night.

He took out the biggest trees in the entire area to make a building, and inside the building was so much gold, they even had gold grills to cook on.

Pathetically rich, right? Surely he could have done something better with the money than that. He should have given each of his citizens their own luxurious house. But he didn't. Filthy, disgustingly rich, right? Ridiculous, right?



Oh yeah. Forgot to mention his name.

Solomon.

(It really bothers me when even Christians envy rich people.)
Yes, but your comparison with that of the alluded text and example by Michael Owen is apples and oranges.
 
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What I do not get is that God never promised that all believers would be financially wealthy.
On judgement day

Matthew 25:34-36
34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

Also

Matthew 6:31


31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’
True.
But the recieving matches the giving. ".....and it shall be given unto you,good measure,pressed down,and running over shall men give unto your bosom"
He that sows little,recieves little,he that sows much is rewarded in like manner.
 
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"Ambitious men keep right on succeeding,their lives are filled with sin."

from don potters "Jesus Christ is truth " song.
 
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Hmm let's look at the above then the below.



P4t has probably put me back on ignore so not sure if he will see this.
I'm sickening to him.

In other posts he saw fit to humiliate me, displayed his hatred for other brothers as well on other threads.

Just for the record I Pm'd earlier. Title was "Olive branch" seeking reconciliation.

No response.

FYI for me "I'm ecstatic you apologised" is sarcasm.

Nothing but love and compassion.

P4t where does your hatred for brothers come from?

My guess is that those who disagree with you are not brothers, that's why you hate them because they do not agree with you.
"I'm sickening to him. "

LOL
For some reason I found that humorous.