Free will and God's will
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Yeah, but she's talking about what goes on inside of us, as well as outside of us. I truly believe we can all act like we're not angry. But angry is an emotion that hits us, and it doesn't simply pass through like a rock through water, because we've chosen to do God's will. We wouldn't have to make that choice at all, if the anger didn't get netted by us inside first. We ARE already angry/sinning before we even get to the point of choosing not to. That's what she is saying. Sin runs deep and clings.
We can pretend not to be angry, but by the time we're even pretending it, we've already sinned in it.
Do you have blood brothers? Do you have siblings? How good were you at not sinning with the anger bit? Even when I chose to avoid a fight with my brother, I already had him marked as FOOL! The sin was there. At best, I didn't add onto it.
Choose all you want, but you can't choose emotions fast enough to avoid sin, if you can choose your emotions at all.
We can pretend not to be angry, but by the time we're even pretending it, we've already sinned in it.
Do you have blood brothers? Do you have siblings? How good were you at not sinning with the anger bit? Even when I chose to avoid a fight with my brother, I already had him marked as FOOL! The sin was there. At best, I didn't add onto it.
Choose all you want, but you can't choose emotions fast enough to avoid sin, if you can choose your emotions at all.
I have until whenever I have to go back and fetch my mother, hoping for an hour! 
Not sure but think this is where I left off.
I see what appears to be a fracture.
I think we are all born blind and that we would remain that way unless He gave us sight. A blind man can't choose what he can't see. He cant see in order to choose it. There should be as many people believing in fairies as in God if we go that direction. Why would one believe God exists but not fairies? Why does a man suddenly see God exists but he still does not believe fairies exist when previously he believed neither of them to exist? It is because he was given the sight to see Gods existence by God Himself. He did not simply choose with his own will to believe God exists and to also choose with that same will to believe fairies don't exist. He makes his judgements by what he can see. He can't see fairies and he can't see God, so his judgement by his own eyes is neither exist.
So the man was given to see. He did not choose to see. A blind man can wish and will to see and he will never see unless there is an operation by a doctor which causes him to see.
So...does a man say, all I know is that one moment I couldn't see that God existed and the next moment I could suddenly see, or does the man say, I wanted to see so I willed my sight into existence?
Haven't even got to the idea of free will yet and already have to go pick her up! Waaaaahh! Be back tonight sometime.
Not sure but think this is where I left off.
I see what appears to be a fracture.
I think we are all born blind and that we would remain that way unless He gave us sight. A blind man can't choose what he can't see. He cant see in order to choose it. There should be as many people believing in fairies as in God if we go that direction. Why would one believe God exists but not fairies? Why does a man suddenly see God exists but he still does not believe fairies exist when previously he believed neither of them to exist? It is because he was given the sight to see Gods existence by God Himself. He did not simply choose with his own will to believe God exists and to also choose with that same will to believe fairies don't exist. He makes his judgements by what he can see. He can't see fairies and he can't see God, so his judgement by his own eyes is neither exist.
So the man was given to see. He did not choose to see. A blind man can wish and will to see and he will never see unless there is an operation by a doctor which causes him to see.
So...does a man say, all I know is that one moment I couldn't see that God existed and the next moment I could suddenly see, or does the man say, I wanted to see so I willed my sight into existence?
Haven't even got to the idea of free will yet and already have to go pick her up! Waaaaahh! Be back tonight sometime.
I have until whenever I have to go back and fetch my mother, hoping for an hour!
Not sure but think this is where I left off.
I see what appears to be a fracture.
I think we are all born blind and that we would remain that way unless He gave us sight. A blind man can't choose what he can't see. He cant see in order to choose it. There should be as many people believing in fairies as in God if we go that direction. Why would one believe God exists but not fairies? Why does a man suddenly see God exists but he still does not believe fairies exist when previously he believed neither of them to exist? It is because he was given the sight to see Gods existence by God Himself. He did not simply choose with his own will to believe God exists and to also choose with that same will to believe fairies don't exist. He makes his judgements by what he can see. He can't see fairies and he can't see God, so his judgement by his own eyes is neither exist.
So the man was given to see. He did not choose to see. A blind man can wish and will to see and he will never see unless there is an operation by a doctor which causes him to see.
So...does a man say, all I know is that one moment I couldn't see that God existed and the next moment I could suddenly see, or does the man say, I wanted to see so I willed my sight into existence?
Haven't even got to the idea of free will yet and already have to go pick her up! Waaaaahh! Be back tonight sometime.
Not sure but think this is where I left off.
I see what appears to be a fracture.
I think we are all born blind and that we would remain that way unless He gave us sight. A blind man can't choose what he can't see. He cant see in order to choose it. There should be as many people believing in fairies as in God if we go that direction. Why would one believe God exists but not fairies? Why does a man suddenly see God exists but he still does not believe fairies exist when previously he believed neither of them to exist? It is because he was given the sight to see Gods existence by God Himself. He did not simply choose with his own will to believe God exists and to also choose with that same will to believe fairies don't exist. He makes his judgements by what he can see. He can't see fairies and he can't see God, so his judgement by his own eyes is neither exist.
So the man was given to see. He did not choose to see. A blind man can wish and will to see and he will never see unless there is an operation by a doctor which causes him to see.
So...does a man say, all I know is that one moment I couldn't see that God existed and the next moment I could suddenly see, or does the man say, I wanted to see so I willed my sight into existence?
Haven't even got to the idea of free will yet and already have to go pick her up! Waaaaahh! Be back tonight sometime.
John 1
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
God has given everyone light. Some choose to reject that light. Some choose to believe.
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Start with what makes you always assume you're such the martyr always being attacked? (I mad a personal observation, dude.)
And then go on from there to learn enough to stop calling people words that don't describe them just because your playing the victim card and angry.
Once you get that far, you'll find out why you don't need an answer to the non-question.
And then go on from there to learn enough to stop calling people words that don't describe them just because your playing the victim card and angry.
Once you get that far, you'll find out why you don't need an answer to the non-question.
Thanks for the reply, and believe me I do get what you are saying here. I myself have walked away or tried to walk away from God, but he never left me alone, and he did guide me back just like the prodigal son.
From the beginning though, I had to make the choice to accept him or not…To be honest, when he first started drawing me…I chose not to accept him, but thank God he had mercy on me and continued to give me a chance to repent, accept His Son, and be saved. But that was something that I had to choose to do…He didn’t make me do it, but he had mercy on me and gave me the chance.
From the beginning though, I had to make the choice to accept him or not…To be honest, when he first started drawing me…I chose not to accept him, but thank God he had mercy on me and continued to give me a chance to repent, accept His Son, and be saved. But that was something that I had to choose to do…He didn’t make me do it, but he had mercy on me and gave me the chance.
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I have until whenever I have to go back and fetch my mother, hoping for an hour!
Not sure but think this is where I left off.
I see what appears to be a fracture.
I think we are all born blind and that we would remain that way unless He gave us sight. A blind man can't choose what he can't see. He cant see in order to choose it. There should be as many people believing in fairies as in God if we go that direction. Why would one believe God exists but not fairies? Why does a man suddenly see God exists but he still does not believe fairies exist when previously he believed neither of them to exist? It is because he was given the sight to see Gods existence by God Himself. He did not simply choose with his own will to believe God exists and to also choose with that same will to believe fairies don't exist. He makes his judgements by what he can see. He can't see fairies and he can't see God, so his judgement by his own eyes is neither exist.
So the man was given to see. He did not choose to see. A blind man can wish and will to see and he will never see unless there is an operation by a doctor which causes him to see.
So...does a man say, all I know is that one moment I couldn't see that God existed and the next moment I could suddenly see, or does the man say, I wanted to see so I willed my sight into existence?
Haven't even got to the idea of free will yet and already have to go pick her up! Waaaaahh! Be back tonight sometime.
Not sure but think this is where I left off.
I see what appears to be a fracture.
I think we are all born blind and that we would remain that way unless He gave us sight. A blind man can't choose what he can't see. He cant see in order to choose it. There should be as many people believing in fairies as in God if we go that direction. Why would one believe God exists but not fairies? Why does a man suddenly see God exists but he still does not believe fairies exist when previously he believed neither of them to exist? It is because he was given the sight to see Gods existence by God Himself. He did not simply choose with his own will to believe God exists and to also choose with that same will to believe fairies don't exist. He makes his judgements by what he can see. He can't see fairies and he can't see God, so his judgement by his own eyes is neither exist.
So the man was given to see. He did not choose to see. A blind man can wish and will to see and he will never see unless there is an operation by a doctor which causes him to see.
So...does a man say, all I know is that one moment I couldn't see that God existed and the next moment I could suddenly see, or does the man say, I wanted to see so I willed my sight into existence?
Haven't even got to the idea of free will yet and already have to go pick her up! Waaaaahh! Be back tonight sometime.
I asked if I can chose at a particular instant to get angry or not.
I am not trying to argue about calvanism, (I have learned it is a fruitless argument) I just asked a simple question.
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This is what it looks like for people who like to attack but want to blame shift, or excuse their sin.
Just look at the last time I responded to this particular poster. In fact. Look at the last time I responded to a few people here, you will see I have not, I have even stopped liking things they say even if I agree wholeheartedly.
I will just let the fact speak for themselves. And let this particular person go back to where she belongs with her buddies.
Just look at the last time I responded to this particular poster. In fact. Look at the last time I responded to a few people here, you will see I have not, I have even stopped liking things they say even if I agree wholeheartedly.
I will just let the fact speak for themselves. And let this particular person go back to where she belongs with her buddies.