Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith
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D.C. has a few different festivals every DAY in the summer. I used to go if everyone else wanted to go, just to try the food of another ethnicity and hear their music. There are Irish festivals, Armenian festivals, chocolate festivals, Mexican festivals, falafel festivals, beer festivals, cherry blossom festivals, gay parade festivals, chili festivals, Chinatown festivals, I could go on and on.
Sometimes relatives would come from far away to visit and they would want to go to one of the festivals so we would all get in the car and go. They may not have come all the way to MD. JUST to go to a festival but you see what I'm saying. People go to Armenian festivals even though they aren't Armenian. They go for...the festivities!
Someone may have gone to Jerusalem for one festivity and then somewhere else the next week for a festival to the god Thor or Rumpelstiltskin.
Sometimes relatives would come from far away to visit and they would want to go to one of the festivals so we would all get in the car and go. They may not have come all the way to MD. JUST to go to a festival but you see what I'm saying. People go to Armenian festivals even though they aren't Armenian. They go for...the festivities!
Someone may have gone to Jerusalem for one festivity and then somewhere else the next week for a festival to the god Thor or Rumpelstiltskin.
you have to go back to Romans 9. Devo's favorite chapter 
whose will are we talking about here?
and you have to go back to Genesis 3.
was the fall of man a colossal mistake? did God screw up? is everything that has followed been a clumsy divine attempt at patching leaking pipes or did He determine before the beginning all these things?
something has to make "how can He judge us, since no one can resist His will??" a natural question to ask.
So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.
You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?”
You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?”
whose will are we talking about here?
and you have to go back to Genesis 3.
was the fall of man a colossal mistake? did God screw up? is everything that has followed been a clumsy divine attempt at patching leaking pipes or did He determine before the beginning all these things?
something has to make "how can He judge us, since no one can resist His will??" a natural question to ask.
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Lev 23: [FONT="]Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord. [/FONT][FONT="]17 You shall bring from your dwellings two wave loaves of two-tenths of an ephah. They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baked with leaven. They are the firstfruits to the Lord. [/FONT]18 And you shall offer with the bread seven lambs of the first year, without blemish, one young bull, and two rams. They shall be as a burnt offering to the Lord, with their grain offering and their drink offerings, an offering made by fire for a sweet aroma to the Lord. 19 Then you shall sacrifice one kid of the goats as a sin offering, and two male lambs of the first year as a sacrifice of a peace offering. 20 The priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits as a wave offering before the Lord, with the two lambs. They shall be holy to the Lord for the priest. 21 And you shall proclaim on the same day that it is a holy convocation to you. You shall do no customary work on it. It shall be a statute forever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.[FONT="]22 ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not wholly reap the corners of your field when you reap, nor shall you gather any gleaning from your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the stranger: I am the Lord your God.’”
Sounds to me this was a feast of giving, not in eating drinking and being merry. [/FONT]
i think you mean "GW gets my interpretation across better" -- even though it is true that men love darkness rather than light, that fact doesn't make being liberal in translation and unfaithful to the actual Greek text "better"
replacing the actual words of the scripture with paraphrasing and inserting words that simply aren't there in no case whatsoever makes something a better "translation"
you lose information when you do that and you stand a very good chance of adding misinformation.
you can contact a mod about possibly having your username changed, by the way, mr. devotion-to-private-interpretation
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I believe conviction also must occur. This is done by the HS as he works on a persons heart. And it can happen without anyone hearing the gospel. But it also can bring a person to the point, when they hear the gospel. They all of a sudden understand, and many get saved right at that moment.
I do agree, without the gospel proclmaintion a person will never call one the name of the lord to be saved, He could not, because he could not even understand what that means.
I do agree, without the gospel proclmaintion a person will never call one the name of the lord to be saved, He could not, because he could not even understand what that means.
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Back then you did not just jump in a car or hop in an airplane. You walked or rode a donkey, or camel. If you were lucky, maybe you had a horse.
And your going to do that for a festivle which is based on GIVING what you have back to God? And giving sacrifice?
I do nto see the connection.
Other than this, I agree with what you said, Those traditions you speak of usually had a lot of eating, and a lot of fun stuff.
And your going to do that for a festivle which is based on GIVING what you have back to God? And giving sacrifice?
I do nto see the connection.
Other than this, I agree with what you said, Those traditions you speak of usually had a lot of eating, and a lot of fun stuff.
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Really?
Who else agrees with this notion that everyone in CC are saved and going to heaven? Since they all claim to have faith in God? I am just asking.
The jews spent a lot of time talking about God, they had faith in God )or they claimed they did) were they saved to?
I will say, a lot of things you say are starting to make sense now, considering where you are coming from.
Who else agrees with this notion that everyone in CC are saved and going to heaven? Since they all claim to have faith in God? I am just asking.
The jews spent a lot of time talking about God, they had faith in God )or they claimed they did) were they saved to?
I will say, a lot of things you say are starting to make sense now, considering where you are coming from.
iirc the argument is that i could say, i have been more clever than this person, because i have had the insight to choose Christ but they were 'too stupid' or 'not so clever' because they didn't make the right choice. i can look down my nose at them with a sort of mental superiority because i got an "A" on my test and they got an "F"
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Lol. If any believer did this, I would question their motive and wonder if they really had faith in God at all.
Paul said he boasted in christ and him alone.
That is all I can boast in also.
I was not given something that any other person was given (I am not special) I was not given some special revelation someone else was gentile given, I was not given faith, while someone else was not (now there is a reason to boast)
I took the gospel given to me, looked to God, and put my life in his hands.
They took the same gospel. And looked to self. And said no thanks
They are not lost becausew they could not understand, they are lost because they hid the truth in unrighteousness ( they loved their sin) and said no thanks.
He who believes is not condemned, He can not boast because he believed, or because he was saved, he did nto save himself
He who does not believe is condemnbe4d already, because they did nto believe. TYhey also have no excuse, because what can be known of God was shown to them, They hid the truth. God did nto hide it from them.
Paul said he boasted in christ and him alone.
That is all I can boast in also.
I was not given something that any other person was given (I am not special) I was not given some special revelation someone else was gentile given, I was not given faith, while someone else was not (now there is a reason to boast)
I took the gospel given to me, looked to God, and put my life in his hands.
They took the same gospel. And looked to self. And said no thanks
They are not lost becausew they could not understand, they are lost because they hid the truth in unrighteousness ( they loved their sin) and said no thanks.
He who believes is not condemned, He can not boast because he believed, or because he was saved, he did nto save himself
He who does not believe is condemnbe4d already, because they did nto believe. TYhey also have no excuse, because what can be known of God was shown to them, They hid the truth. God did nto hide it from them.
Yet the truth is that Jesus overcame Satan.
Right after Adam sinned the plan was put in place.
That plan was accomplished when Jesus said on the cross "It is finished"
Satan comes to deceive, the father of lies.
These lies can only be unmasked by the truth, and that Truth is Jesus.
You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.
I would not say that faith is given to all, but it's available for all.
Not all will accept it, and God knows that.
So when Jesus comes back, we are told they every knee will bow and call him Lord.
Philippians 2:9-11
9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
every tongue confess. This does not imply universal salvation, because not all will confess him as Lord freely out of love and devotion.
This is why the goats fall foul.
They call him Lord and state the great things they did.
Yet Jesus said "I never knew you"
Their works were not out of love and devotion. All of a sudden God is proven to be right, Jesus and faith in him is the only way.
You were aware of that and you rejected that.
Yet I do know
John 6:39-40
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
To be honest, I have come into this thread.
I'm trying to read every post.
In reality I'm not understanding what some are saying.
And it's getting confused.
I'm giving my thoughts but do not feel qualified to do so.
But I will give my thoughts.
So in a nutshell.
Gods gift of faith is free.
Every person has a choice to accept it.
God knows who will accept it.
God knows a genuine believer.
From the creation God knows the above.
I don't know who will accept the free gift.
Therefore I endeavour to be like Jesus and pray "Bring them to faith"
I have been guilty of writing people off.
No point praying cause they ain't going to believe.
God corrected me.
Hmm what do I know?
God knows who will accept him, I don't.
Those who accept him, he will keep.
Right after Adam sinned the plan was put in place.
That plan was accomplished when Jesus said on the cross "It is finished"
Satan comes to deceive, the father of lies.
These lies can only be unmasked by the truth, and that Truth is Jesus.
You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.
I would not say that faith is given to all, but it's available for all.
Not all will accept it, and God knows that.
So when Jesus comes back, we are told they every knee will bow and call him Lord.
Philippians 2:9-11
9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
every tongue confess. This does not imply universal salvation, because not all will confess him as Lord freely out of love and devotion.
This is why the goats fall foul.
They call him Lord and state the great things they did.
Yet Jesus said "I never knew you"
Their works were not out of love and devotion. All of a sudden God is proven to be right, Jesus and faith in him is the only way.
You were aware of that and you rejected that.
Yet I do know
John 6:39-40
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”
To be honest, I have come into this thread.
I'm trying to read every post.
In reality I'm not understanding what some are saying.
And it's getting confused.
I'm giving my thoughts but do not feel qualified to do so.
But I will give my thoughts.
So in a nutshell.
Gods gift of faith is free.
Every person has a choice to accept it.
God knows who will accept it.
God knows a genuine believer.
From the creation God knows the above.
I don't know who will accept the free gift.
Therefore I endeavour to be like Jesus and pray "Bring them to faith"
I have been guilty of writing people off.
No point praying cause they ain't going to believe.
God corrected me.
Hmm what do I know?
God knows who will accept him, I don't.
Those who accept him, he will keep.
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Amen
I have spoken to missionaries, and heard a few speak on the fact when they went to a remote part of the world to a place that has never heard of Christ, they were told God told the people he would send someone to them to declair his truth, God will not hold back a truth if he KNOWS people will respond to him, and he did a great work of preparing these people so when the message came (much like in the NT) the people immediately accepted.
I have spoken to missionaries, and heard a few speak on the fact when they went to a remote part of the world to a place that has never heard of Christ, they were told God told the people he would send someone to them to declair his truth, God will not hold back a truth if he KNOWS people will respond to him, and he did a great work of preparing these people so when the message came (much like in the NT) the people immediately accepted.