Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith
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No, He changes His will. No one wills themself to heaven. Romans 9:16 & John 1:11-13.
God does not force anyone to serve Him. Man, in his fallen state, hates Him. That's what Romans 8:5-9 avers. Those who love God have been born of Him.[1 John 4:7]
But God did not base His election on anyone other than Himself. He did not elect based upon ppl's actions, either. There are none who seek Him. There are none who understand.[Romans 3 & Psalm 14]
They were condemned already. Ppl are condemned because they reject Him, but reject Him because they're already condemned.
Again, God did not choose ppl based upon themselves, but Himself. God does give them a choice, and they freely choose no thanks. The lost don't go around looking for some way in. They are freely running from Him. It is He who seeks and saves.
God does not force anyone to serve Him. Man, in his fallen state, hates Him. That's what Romans 8:5-9 avers. Those who love God have been born of Him.[1 John 4:7]
But God did not base His election on anyone other than Himself. He did not elect based upon ppl's actions, either. There are none who seek Him. There are none who understand.[Romans 3 & Psalm 14]
They were condemned already. Ppl are condemned because they reject Him, but reject Him because they're already condemned.
Again, God did not choose ppl based upon themselves, but Himself. God does give them a choice, and they freely choose no thanks. The lost don't go around looking for some way in. They are freely running from Him. It is He who seeks and saves.
Now you're adding to the Gospel. Nowhere does it say that a person needs to know any certain passage to be saved. MANY have heard the Gospel, and were saved, and never even got a Bible and had never seen the epistle to the Romans.
Why? It was written in 57-58 A.D. Many were saved prior to this! You're just making up new unbiblical mandates not supported by Scripture, more "extra-biblical" material.
People, these things are not true. Goodness sake man stop teaching this bunk...
Um, no, he never made such a statement, you did. You're just making things up as you go along.
I think our disconnect is the target audience we're thinking about. I am thinking about those who have never heard the gospel, never seen a bible.
They know God exists, but they don't know that the Christ came and died for them. Natural revelation doesn't express the gospel.
They know God exists, but worship wooden or stone statues, stars, sun, moon, or some other idol.
They know God exists, but they don't know that the Christ came and died for them. Natural revelation doesn't express the gospel.
They know God exists, but worship wooden or stone statues, stars, sun, moon, or some other idol.
You and your attacking accusations. If you think that is an attack, time for you to grow up. I'm withstanding your heresies here, and that is what it has become, not just heterodoxy, heresy.
I'm going against your false teachings. The Holy Spirit did convict and does convict the world, through the Gospel, not through your mysticism, your experiences, and your stories which you are right now arguing for validity to the point of being as valid as Scripture.
Anyone here can see who's adding to the Word, and it is you.
I'm going against your false teachings. The Holy Spirit did convict and does convict the world, through the Gospel, not through your mysticism, your experiences, and your stories which you are right now arguing for validity to the point of being as valid as Scripture.
Anyone here can see who's adding to the Word, and it is you.
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You said he was headed to hell. God did not change his will. I never said anyone willed themselves to heaven.
You can not love God until you first experience his love, You are not saved because you love God, Your saved because God loved you and offered you his gift.
again to me, this says God shows favoritism, It does not matter what the reason. God choosing one and not another is showing favoritism to the one, and not the other.
God draws. God calls. Many are called. But few are chosen, Not everyone he calls wil be saved,
The Bible says they are condemned already BECAUSE they have not believed.
John 3: 18 [FONT="]He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.[/FONT]
Cause and affect cannot be ignored.
God gives them a choice but does not allow them to chose yes? Where is choice? They have one choice in this senerio. You can not condemn someone for saying no when they had no possibility of saying yes
You can not love God until you first experience his love, You are not saved because you love God, Your saved because God loved you and offered you his gift.
again to me, this says God shows favoritism, It does not matter what the reason. God choosing one and not another is showing favoritism to the one, and not the other.
God draws. God calls. Many are called. But few are chosen, Not everyone he calls wil be saved,
The Bible says they are condemned already BECAUSE they have not believed.
John 3: 18 [FONT="]He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.[/FONT]
Cause and affect cannot be ignored.
God gives them a choice but does not allow them to chose yes? Where is choice? They have one choice in this senerio. You can not condemn someone for saying no when they had no possibility of saying yes
Oh, poo-hoo, this bad treatment calling you out on your false teachings. How turrible!!!! 
They'd feel sorry for you and call you to repent because with your teaching you'd be defrocked and cast out of fellowship otherwise.
Yes, what you are teaching is extra-biblical heresy. Telling you this isn't an attack on your person, it's an address against your error. Man up and quit your belly aching with this attack nonsense, it is over-used and lame.
They'd feel sorry for you and call you to repent because with your teaching you'd be defrocked and cast out of fellowship otherwise.
Yes, what you are teaching is extra-biblical heresy. Telling you this isn't an attack on your person, it's an address against your error. Man up and quit your belly aching with this attack nonsense, it is over-used and lame.
Those who love God have been born of Him[1 John 4:7] That's why regeneration, faith, repentance, salvation all occur simultaenously. The lost hate God. That's why God must change the lost's will. In the fallen state, their will is bondage to sin and Satan. God frees their will from this bondage and they freely choose Him.
Those who reject Him are condemed already. Their rejecting Him never changed their state.
Those who reject Him are condemed already. Their rejecting Him never changed their state.