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Hebrews 10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.



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i sure did


who gets consumed?

the enemies that are His footstool.....
v 13
who are they?

those who drew back that WE are not of.....
v 38-39


so have confidence in HIS promises
HIS sacrifice
and live by FAITH

dont trample on it by these works He takes no pleasure in

(the previously mentioned works of the law FOR THE REASON of covering sin)



yes

context matters


GEEZ guys

its right there for you to see
meant to also type as well as anyone against Christ not living by faith....


but you guys who think keeping the law saves you


(LGF)

and others

this whole chapter destroys your false gospel...

so of course you cant see it

but its clear as day

you people who make fun of rightly dividing the word and understanding context

clearly dont see the importance of Gods ispired written word


you try to take 1 verse make it say something it clearly does not mean to push a false gospel

you look to yourself
and your performance to see if you are saved

in doing this you are ignoring the sacrifice of Jesus Christ


the Lord and savior to whosoever believes on His name


its a shame
 
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No what she did was take a verse out of context. Of course, You can not believe this, because it would throw your legalism under the table and you would have to admit error.

Sadly the warning is for people like you. People who think they have begun in the spirit, but now perfect your salvation in the flesh (works) paul has a term for people like you.

When each of us first comes to Christ, we are babes, knowing next to nothing about doctrine. But the change within us testifies to our conversion.

See the red writing?

These wise guys trample the word of God by saying once we're saved we're always saved & nothing can change that.

Ok..... if they were correct & their doctrine true, that means all of us 'babes' are still saved, right?

Yet, somehow, their 'opponents' are going to Hell in a handbasket for not believing their doctrine.

Anybody see the obvious problem?

If everybody's still saved since conversion, then we're still saved!!!

OSAS peoples have no right to judge us as not saved outta one side of their mouth, then claim all their people is outta the other!

Lemme say this.............

If you knew I was already saved, then you would have no argument with me. I believe we're saved by grace thru faith only, & not by works.

Therefore, my converts are saved, not lost, & OSAS'ers are arguing about nothing, cuz they're still saved.

So, I say all that to say this: Why will OSAS'ers gang up & fight to the bitter end if we're saved anyways?

I've never had any one in OSAS explain that to me.

But several have told me I'm going to Hell for for the doctrine I believe.
 

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Hebrews 10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.



___________


i sure did


who gets consumed?

the enemies that are His footstool.....
v 13
who are they?

those who drew back that WE are not of.....
v 38-39


so have confidence in HIS promises
HIS sacrifice
and live by FAITH

dont trample on it by these works He takes no pleasure in

(the previously mentioned works of the law FOR THE REASON of covering sin)



yes

context matters


GEEZ guys

its right there for you to see
Hi NNM...You need patience sometimes for others to see...I know this from my previous beliefs , unless someone kept pointing something out , i never would of seen it , and then once we see it , it is very easy to say as you have said " Geez , it`s right in front of you "...Patience my brother patience :eek:...xox...
 
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Hi NNM...You need patience sometimes for others to see...I know this from my previous beliefs , unless someone kept pointing something out , i never would of seen it , and then once we see it , it is very easy to say as you have said " Geez , it`s right in front of you "...Patience my brother patience :eek:...xox...
youre right...
God provides the growth

i cant hammer it in anyones head

God bless you sister

i dont mean to be impatient i shouldnt have said that last bit at the end

i was in error too and before God opened my eyes i actually saw this verse the same way they do

but now its so clear it makes me sad when someone else cant see it
(._.')
 
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meant to also type as well as anyone against Christ not living by faith....


but you guys who think keeping the law saves you


(LGF)

and others

this whole chapter destroys your false gospel...

so of course you cant see it

but its clear as day
It's been my experience thet people will say anything as long as they don't have to prove it.

And you didn't prove it.
 
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It's been my experience thet people will say anything as long as they don't have to prove it.

And you didn't prove it.
appearently you choose to ignore the context still?

i posted it and bumped it


youre false understanding remains just that


you have done nothing to prove otherwise


bump again

Hebrews 10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.



___________


i sure did


who gets consumed?

the enemies that are His footstool.....
v 13
who are they?

those who drew back that WE are not of.....
v 38-39
(as well as anyone against Christ not living by faith)

so have confidence in HIS promises
HIS sacrifice
and live by FAITH

dont trample on it by these works He takes no pleasure in

(the previously mentioned works of the law FOR THE REASON of covering sin)
 
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Budman

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The person who lives in sin will not be saved when Jesus comes back.
You live in sin, Ralph.

You sin every single day. Day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade.

If you only sinned 5 times a day:

That's 35 sins a week.

140 sins a month.

1680 sins a year.

If you lived 20 more years that's 33,600 sins.

You'd better hope you're not accountable for a single one before you die.
 
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meant to also type as well as anyone against Christ not living by faith....


but you guys who think keeping the law saves you


(LGF)

and others

this whole chapter destroys your false gospel...

so of course you cant see it

but its clear as day
BTW, Saying I live by the Law is a lie.

Strawman much?
 
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appearently you choose to ignore the context still?

i posted it and bumped it


youre false understanding remains just that


you have done nothing to prove otherwise


bump again

Hebrews 10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.



___________


i sure did


who gets consumed?

the enemies that are His footstool.....
v 13
who are they?

those who drew back that WE are not of.....
v 38-39
(as well as anyone against Christ not living by faith)

so have confidence in HIS promises
HIS sacrifice
and live by FAITH

dont trample on it by these works He takes no pleasure in

(the previously mentioned works of the law FOR THE REASON of covering sin)
Bumping yer quote only proves you can do the bump.

Not impressed.
 
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you people who make fun of rightly dividing the word and understanding context

clearly dont see the importance of Gods ispired written word


you try to take 1 verse make it say something it clearly does not mean to push a false gospel

you look to yourself
and your performance to see if you are saved

in doing this you are ignoring the sacrifice of Jesus Christ


the Lord and savior to whosoever believes on His name


its a shame
What's a shame is you can only parrot the other parrots of OSAS.

SQUAWK!!!

Peat & repeat.
 
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BTW, Saying I live by the Law is a lie.

Strawman much?

i didnt say you

the only one i named specifically is LGF

i just see you as in error....

because your unwillingness to accept reproof

and your inability to see what this verse or whole chapter is saying

but ok


here are some quick questions

1. How many of your sins does the sacrifice of Jesus cover if you are indeed born again and given a new heart?
(kills the sin all you want strawman because you have a new heart that doesnt WANT to live in sin)

2. what do you have to do to be born again?
(please dont take away or add to this)

3. If you are born of God and a new creature, with His seed remaining in you ...can you ever lose salvation?
 
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What's a shame is you can only parrot the other parrots of OSAS. SQUAWK!!!

Peat & repeat.
are you offended?
you seem like it...

you addressed zero of the points i made

so i posted it again
 

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Then stop judging him and start praying for him.

Mt 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

Unfruitful is not unsaved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
John 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
If you don’t abide you won’t bear fruit.
John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
You will bear fruit if you abide in the vine.
John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
If you don’t abide in Christ you will be cut off the vine you once did abide in, and be burned in the fire.
John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Abide in Christ and when in difficulty pray and Jesus will work on your behalf.
John 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
You’re not a disciple unless you bear fruit.

There exists no past tense faith in scripture concerning salvation.
I think what many of you overlook is that God doesn’t use man’s definition of faith when speaking of, salvation faith.
So, What is God’s required faith?
Faithfulness.

Where have any of you read about having faith for a short time?
The plant being choked to death because it bore no fruit is a man who did believe the word of God planted in him.
And he didn’t end up saved.
And when men are done philosophizing, be fearful for, God is not mocked.
A man reaps what he sows.
 
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you people who make fun of rightly dividing the word and understanding context

clearly dont see the importance of Gods ispired written word


you try to take 1 verse make it say something it clearly does not mean to push a false gospel

you look to yourself
and your performance to see if you are saved

in doing this you are ignoring the sacrifice of Jesus Christ


the Lord and savior to whosoever believes on His name


its a shame
you people who make fun of rightly dividing the word and understanding context

clearly dont see the importance of Gods ispired written word
What is being made fun of is the laughable attempts to twist what is clearly written. Context is understood by identifying the cause and response to the subject, something that you are not doing. What is the cause and response to "when we receive the knowledge of the truth"? The cause precedes the subject and the response follows. This is simple composition but because many do not agree with the verse they are forcing another context into the verse.

you try to take 1 verse make it say something it clearly does not mean to push a false gospel
No one is taking one verse alone there are many verses that disagree with OSAS. I think you know this.

you look to yourself
and your performance to see if you are saved

in doing this you are ignoring the sacrifice of Jesus Christ
This accusation is baseless and does not warrant a response.

the Lord and savior to whosoever believes on His name
This is such a generalization that I doubt even you fully believe it.

And that is a shame.
 

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you people who make fun of rightly dividing the word and understanding context

clearly dont see the importance of Gods ispired written word


you try to take 1 verse make it say something it clearly does not mean to push a false gospel

you look to yourself
and your performance to see if you are saved

in doing this you are ignoring the sacrifice of Jesus Christ


the Lord and savior to whosoever believes on His name


its a shame
I agree. It's a real tragedy. Sad.
 
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If you don’t abide you won’t bear fruit.
You will bear fruit if you abide in the vine.
If you don’t abide you will be cut of and burn in the fire.
Abide in Christ and when in difficulty pray and Jesus will work on your behalf.
You’re not a disciple unless you bear fruit.

There exists no past tense faith in scripture concerning salvation.
I think what many of you overlook is that God doesn’t use man’s definition of faith when speaking of, salvation faith.
So, What is God’s required faith?
Faithfulness.

Where have any of you read about having faith for a short time?
The plant being choked to death because it bore no fruit is a man who did believe the word of God planted in him.
And he didn’t end up saved.
And when men are done philosophizing, be fearful for, God is not mocked.
A man reaps what he sows.
Oh boy, You totally messed up end times prophesy by saying Israel is not involved, then you have to put your own twist on the gospel in an attempt to earn your salvation.

Gods defenition of faith.

1. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God
2. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN (Not in things seen, faith in things seen is not biblical faith, thats the worlds faith, so your faiht in works is not Gods faith, it is many faith)
3. WHat is our HOPE in which we entrust our lives to God? In the HOPE of ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE promised BEFORE TIME BEGAN.

Yeah, faith is not in physical things, or in deeds, it is in the work of God and his promises.

Of course, You think faith is only temporary, and may be lost. Because you have MANS faith based on how well we perform. And not in God and his unseen promises. Faith in man and perfermoance faith is week, and dependent on the faithfulness of the person doing the work. So we all understand why you and those like you reject true living faith which is able to save the soul to the utmost. Because you have worldly faith based on performance and your ability, not in God.

You need to stop listening to your pastor. He has led you astray n a few doctrines.
 
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What is being made fun of is the laughable attempts to twist what is clearly written. Context is understood by identifying the cause and response to the subject, something that you are not doing. What is the cause and response to "when we receive the knowledge of the truth"? The cause precedes the subject and the response follows. This is simple composition but because many do not agree with the verse they are forcing another context into the verse.
not true

its because before the final sacrifice
the sacrifices by the law was a sign of whats to come

when they come to the knowledge of Christ
He was the final sacrifice
God takes no pleasure from the blood of bulls
so stop the annual sacrifices they still were doing...


there is no forcing anything here

all these points are made through out the chapter




No one is taking one verse alone there are many verses that disagree with OSAS. I think you know this
.

not true again

hebrews 10 26 was originally taken out of context
alone by itself
to push the false doctrine of "flimsy grace" and the loss of salvation to those already born again

This accusation is baseless and does not warrant a response.
if it dont apply, let it fly



This is such a generalization that I doubt even you fully believe it.
well this surely does not apply:rolleyes:

my faith in Christ is genuine

and i dont need to add anything to His sacrifice to be saved


any good works from me or keeping of commandments is out of love for Him to who loved me first

not the need to

earn
or maintain salvation
 
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John says a person why Denys Christ is an antichrist

He also says, if they at one time considered themselves a part of the church, as a walking child of God, and then departed from that church , and is now denying christ, that person was never part of the church (never saved)

To say that person was saved, and is now unsaved is

1. Calling the apostle John a liar
2, Calling Jesus incompetent (he did not know the person would leave and deny him to his face)
3. Calling the father incompetent (He did not know himself. And allowed Jesus to save the person)
4. Calling the HS incompetent (He did not kn ow the person would do an about face, and considered his work finished.

Which basically puts this whole Christianity thing in the dumpsters. Lets all go eat drink and be merry, because there would be no eternity for us. We are all doomed.
The above is a typical legalists position.

Take one idea, expand it, make a straw man that is exagurated then say such a position
is the worst position one could ever hold, which denies everything and everyone.

What is the idea that is being taken. To lose ones faith, when you are actually a believer.
The whole point about salvation is it is based on love, choice, free will to respond to Christ
because we have been cleansed, purified and made whole. Yes loving whole people could
abandon the faith and not come fully into the Kingdom, but it is their choice.

And God has not failed, He knew Judas would betray Him, but He accepted and still loved
him. It is God staying faithful to His ways and love though man does not, which is His
nature and reality. But some try and find security in promises, words rather than in God,
because they know God. This speaks everything about their hearts and simple lack of
knowledge and reality of Gods love alive in them.

Jesus talked of a dead heart, unable to respond to needs and obvious openness to
love and ministry. What is our core calling? To love.
 

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Oh boy, You totally messed up end times prophesy by saying Israel is not involved, then you have to put your own twist on the gospel in an attempt to earn your salvation.

Gods defenition of faith.

1. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God
2. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for, the evidence of things NOT SEEN (Not in things seen, faith in things seen is not biblical faith, thats the worlds faith, so your faiht in works is not Gods faith, it is many faith)
3. WHat is our HOPE in which we entrust our lives to God? In the HOPE of ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE promised BEFORE TIME BEGAN.

Yeah, faith is not in physical things, or in deeds, it is in the work of God and his promises.

Of course, You think faith is only temporary, and may be lost. Because you have MANS faith based on how well we perform. And not in God and his unseen promises. Faith in man and perfermoance faith is week, and dependent on the faithfulness of the person doing the work. So we all understand why you and those like you reject true living faith which is able to save the soul to the utmost. Because you have worldly faith based on performance and your ability, not in God.

You need to stop listening to your pastor. He has led you astray n a few doctrines.
You presented no example of any once upon a time faith pleases God.
And what? You don’t know God requires faithfulness?

He that shall endure unto the end shall be saved.

Do you teach that faith to abide in Christ is required?
Do you teach that you must continue in the words of Jesus, to be his disciple, know the truth and then the truth shall set you free?
Do you teach that you must pick up your cross daily? or do you teach one time only?
 
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I think many will be seen as never being saved when the end times arrives. The falling away.
There are probably more make believe Christians in churches today than we would like to admit.
I am afraid that many have a false assurance because they have placed their hope for eternal life in the wrong place, on the wrong person.
I am truly worried for those who believe salvation can be lost, given back, or in some way is dependent on what they do or do not do in this life.
The falling away is the falling of people away from the faith they once held.
OSAS is a false doctrine that teaches security in Christ for them that once believed.
The defense of OSAS is merely philosophical mumbo-jumbo in case you never noticed.