Once Saved, Always Saved ... OR Can you Lose your Salvation?
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I prefer the KJV-PCE for sure, but you mentioned the younger crowd at your church, I think the KJV is the cream of the crop but I'm starting to think the NHEB is the top modern edition and second on my list, especially for anyone who cant really get into the those thou's, thee and so on in the KJV. just a thought
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What you do is put people on ignore when you get cornered.
I believed. With God's power and encouragement I believed. Not Jesus, not the Father, not the Holy Spirit......I believed. But only through the power of God's gift of faith and encouragement. That's why I can not boast. And that's not a work of the self righteous works gospel so no problem there.
Stay focused here. I did, and continue to do the believing that is required to be justified. Not Jesus, not the Father......ME. And I do it through the power of the gift of 'knowing'-the gift of faith. That's why I can not boast in my believing. Just because God makes it possible for me to believe doesn't mean I don't do the believing.
I believed. With God's power and encouragement I believed. Not Jesus, not the Father, not the Holy Spirit......I believed. But only through the power of God's gift of faith and encouragement. That's why I can not boast. And that's not a work of the self righteous works gospel so no problem there.
Stay focused here. I did, and continue to do the believing that is required to be justified. Not Jesus, not the Father......ME. And I do it through the power of the gift of 'knowing'-the gift of faith. That's why I can not boast in my believing. Just because God makes it possible for me to believe doesn't mean I don't do the believing.
I believed it was possible to lose my salvation if I became unbelieving. We talked about and debated it for...2 years or more?
Then one day I stopped and said: I do not believe this. I have great confidence that He will get me there. I do not have any fear that I could lose Him! So why am I saying I believe I could when I trust Him that He won't let that happen??
So it's like ariel said - as our trust grows, we no longer fear we will lose Him.
Then one day I stopped and said: I do not believe this. I have great confidence that He will get me there. I do not have any fear that I could lose Him! So why am I saying I believe I could when I trust Him that He won't let that happen??
So it's like ariel said - as our trust grows, we no longer fear we will lose Him.
E
Well I remembere now how arrogant you are. And that is probably another reason I have you on ignore. It is just not worth my time to pay you r games.
You no more have me cornered than anyone else in this room, But I see your pride is comming through quite clearly. Which just goes furthy to prove me right, thank you/
So you believe by the power of God, but you do not trust the power of God to keep you in belief.
in other words, You do not believe in the power of Go0d, but in your own power.
You contradict yourself man, and you can not even see it. Thats sad.
You believe YOU CAN STOP BELIEVING, so you do NOT BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF GOD TO KEEP YOU BELIEVING< if you did, and you BELIEVED n the power of god. YOU WOULD NEVEER BELIEVE YOU CAN STOP BELIEVING.
You say one thing, then contradict yourself in the next sentance. I am not the only one who sees this..
You no more have me cornered than anyone else in this room, But I see your pride is comming through quite clearly. Which just goes furthy to prove me right, thank you/
So you believe by the power of God, but you do not trust the power of God to keep you in belief.
in other words, You do not believe in the power of Go0d, but in your own power.
You contradict yourself man, and you can not even see it. Thats sad.
You believe YOU CAN STOP BELIEVING, so you do NOT BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF GOD TO KEEP YOU BELIEVING< if you did, and you BELIEVED n the power of god. YOU WOULD NEVEER BELIEVE YOU CAN STOP BELIEVING.
You say one thing, then contradict yourself in the next sentance. I am not the only one who sees this..
E
But...I'm not talking about anyone else you talk to - I'm talking about us. Here. Believers. So why is the discussion necessary? 
Because I do nto believe everyone here are true believers.
That is why we are having that conversation. I was explaining why people can stop believing, the reason is they do not have biblical belief, they have knowledge only. Thats why it can fail, it has no root.
L
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Romans 11:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
New Heart English Bible
and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Sion is mount Hermon: Deuteronomy 4:48, having three summits.
Zion is the city of David: 2Samuel 5:7; So then Sion is not Zion. and visvarsa
I just was talking with another member about this upon reasoning with the verses I posted I have come to conclusion that Zion is the better fit, Sion is the name of a mountain some 118 miles away from Jerusalem, I don't think Jesus came out of a mountain. though I still think the KJV is top dog, but maybe not in the future.
Romans 11:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
New Heart English Bible
and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.
Sion is mount Hermon: Deuteronomy 4:48, having three summits.
Zion is the city of David: 2Samuel 5:7; So then Sion is not Zion. and visvarsa
I just was talking with another member about this upon reasoning with the verses I posted I have come to conclusion that Zion is the better fit, Sion is the name of a mountain some 118 miles away from Jerusalem, I don't think Jesus came out of a mountain. though I still think the KJV is top dog, but maybe not in the future.