Do We Have To Keep The Law?

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Shamah

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What would be the point of or the ultimate goal of keeping the law?
To show Him love and our fellow human love;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”[/FONT]




Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are [FONT=Helvetica\ Neue]heavy laden
, and I will give you rest.
[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy." [/FONT]
 

posthuman

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#62
That doesn't respond to the question I asked. let me try again, according to the Laws the Word which became flesh gave to Moses, who was in charge of these two things.

#1. Administering God's Laws.

#2. Performing "works" for the atonement of sins.

they found a man carrying sticks on the sabbath, and held him because the Lord had not said what to do in such a case. the Lord commanded that the whole congregation stone him to death with stones.
 

Shamah

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I just checked. There is no variant in Mark 7:19. Jesus declaring all foods clean is part of the original text.
I beg to differ:

Mark 7:19 Greek Text Analysis

Mark 7:19
Text Analysis
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[TD="class: translit"]hoti[/TD]
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[TD="class: translit"]ouk[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]846 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]autou[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]αὐτοῦ[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tēn[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]2588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kardian[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καρδίαν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]heart,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AFS[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]235 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]all’[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]1519 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]eis[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]εἰς[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]tēn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τὴν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]2836 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]koilian[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]κοιλίαν,[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]belly,[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]N-AFS[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]2532 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]kai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καὶ[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]and[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Conj[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]1519 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]eis[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]εἰς[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]into[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]Prep[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]3588 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ton[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]τὸν[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]the[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]856 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]aphedrōna[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἀφεδρῶνα[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]draught[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]1607 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]ekporeuetai[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]ἐκπορεύεται,[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]goes out.[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PIM/P-3S[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]2511 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]katharizōn[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]καθαρίζων[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]purifying[/TD]
[TD="class: pos"]V-PPA-NMS[/TD]
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[TD="class: strongsnt"]3956 [e][/TD]
[TD="class: translit"]panta[/TD]
[TD="class: greek2"]πάντα[/TD]
[TD="class: eng"]all[/TD]
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[TD="class: eng"]food.[/TD]
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19 οτι G3754 ουκ G3756 BECAUSE εισπορευεται G1531 G5736 IT ENTERS NOT αυτου G846 OF HIM εις G1519 INTO την G3588 THE καρδιαν G2588 HEART, αλλ G235 BUT εις G1519 INTO την G3588 THE κοιλιαν G2836 BELLY, και G2532 AND εις G1519 INTO τον G3588 THE αφεδρωνα G856 DRAUGHT εκπορευεται G1607 G5736 GOES OUT, καθαριζον G2511 G5723 PURIFYING παντα G3956 ALL τα G3588 THE βρωματα G1033 FOOD."
 

Gman

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#64
And all the commandments can be summed up in one: LOVE!
First love God and also love your neighbor as yourself. Love is the fulfilment of the law!
 

Shamah

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#65
Mark 7:
17 But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable.
Also it is a parable...

no getting around that one either.

SO not in the original and a parable, yet doctrines are still built off falsehood.
 
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#66
Do we have to keep the law,which is ridiculous for anybody to think we do not have to keep the law,unless they mean the physical ordinances,but of course we have to keep the moral laws,and laws of love,and Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good.

The Bible says that a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts,and show the ways of the Spirit,and God will not allow them to be tempted what they are able,and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear it.

So a person led of the Spirit is not under the law because all their sins are forgiven,and they abstain from sin,and if they do sin they repent,and keep moving forward,so the law cannot touch them for prosecution.

If they hold unto sin then they are under the law no matter how much they confess Christ.
 

Gman

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#67
Thanks be to God for every matter must be established as truth by the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses. Peter had a vision that confirmed that all food is clean and good to eat.
 
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I beg to differ:
The words are there so there is no variant. It's a matter of translation. But taking the literal version you supplied that just tells me that a person cleanses any food he eats. :)
 

Shamah

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#69
Thanks be to God for every matter must be established as truth by the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses. Peter had a vision that confirmed that all food is clean and good to eat.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mark 7:17, " But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 15:15, "But Kepha spoke, and said to Him; Explain this parable to us."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Kepha is Peter, so if all foods were cleansed why did Kepha years later still not eat unclean food?[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 10:14, "But Kepha said; By no means, Ruler, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Because Mark 7 & and Matt 15 were not about food but a pharisee hand washing ritual as the parable is explained here:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man – but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As Acts 10 was not about food either:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but YHWH has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."[/FONT]
 

Grandpa

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#70
To show Him love and our fellow human love;

Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."



1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”



Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”


John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”







1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."
John 15:10 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:
for without me ye can do nothing.


Nothing? Not even keep the law?

John 15:10-12
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


After we come to Christ the law is not heavy. It is quite easy, in fact.

It is only when a person decides that they can fulfill it by their own carnal understanding that it becomes a burden again.

Galatians 5:1
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

Romans 8:2-4
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

Studyman

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Since the entire old covenant law was nailed to the cross, does this leave us with no moral direction?
The Word which became Flesh said He changed the Priesthood, not the entire Law. So the foundation of your understanding is based on a premise that according to the Word, is false..

What if the Word which became Flesh is right, and your preaching is wrong? What if it was only the Priesthood that changed like Hebrews 7-10 and Jeremiah 31 says.

7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Wasn't it the Levite Priests that corrupted God's instructions, instead of God instructions which corrupted the Levite Priests as you imply?

What did our Savior, the Word which became Flesh, tell us the New Covenant is?

Should His people listen to Him?

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Where is your preaching
the entire old covenant law was nailed to the cross
Jesus, before becoming Flesh, didn't say anything of the sort.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Where is your preaching
the entire old covenant law was nailed to the cross
Heb. 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda (Not Levi as Moses instructed) of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Where is your preaching that the Word which became Flesh said, or promised
the entire old covenant law was nailed to the cross
Is Jesus not our High Priest, did He not inherit God's Priesthood?

"a little leaven leavens the whole lump". If your foundation is wrong, everything built on it is wrong.

Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep,(SEEK Ye first the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness) and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.

49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth;(words and traditions of men created from dust) against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

Didn't Paul teach the same thing.

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Shouldn't we let the Word which became Flesh define His New Covenant?
 

Studyman

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#72
they do not take Paul's teaching as authoritative Scripture. they quote 1st John verbatim about command keeping, ( John is not talking about the Torah, he is speaking of believe in the name of the Son and love one another, not Torah and Sabbath ), but are very picky about Paul.

just more selective editing by the Hebrew roots/ sda crowd.
I don't twist Paul's word or pick and choose which ones I believe and which ones I ignore. I think He aligns with the Christ with most everything. I am sure he didn't expect people would use his words to make void much of the Word's of the Christ, the Word which became Flesh.
 

Studyman

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#73
I give Paul's words more authority because:

  • I'm not under, nor follow, the torah
  • The Jerusalem council said gentile disciples in synagogues should follow the Noahide laws, which don't apply to me
  • The book of Revelation is a very symbolic book

Also, Jesus said there is nothing that a person eats can defile him.
Disobedience, rebellion, deception, lies, wickedness, these all come from within and defile a man.
 

Studyman

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#74
I just checked. There is no variant in Mark 7:19. Jesus declaring all foods clean is part of the original text.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

If you reject God's Word and say within your heart "I will not walk therein", this defiles a man.
 

Grandpa

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#75
I don't twist Paul's word or pick and choose which ones I believe and which ones I ignore. I think He aligns with the Christ with most everything. I am sure he didn't expect people would use his words to make void much of the Word's of the Christ, the Word which became Flesh.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Galatians 3:24-25
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I agree. I think Paul and the Lord Jesus Christ are saying the same things. Paul is just expounding by the Revelation he was given.


 

Studyman

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#76
they found a man carrying sticks on the sabbath, and held him because the Lord had not said what to do in such a case. the Lord commanded that the whole congregation stone him to death with stones.
The wages of sin is death. Same today.

But This is a deflection to the question I asked. Who was in charge of the two things I mentioned according to the Laws given to Moses by the Word which became Flesh?
 

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they do not take Paul's teaching as authoritative Scripture. they quote 1st John verbatim about command keeping, ( John is not talking about the Torah, he is speaking of believe in the name of the Son and love one another, not Torah and Sabbath ), but are very picky about Paul.

just more selective editing by the Hebrew roots/ sda crowd.
Guess they dont know that the apostle Paul was given direct revelation from Jesus Christ , so if you dont listen to
Pauls words , you arent listening to Jesus's words !!
 

Shamah

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#78
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Timothy 2:7, "For this reason I was appointed to be an announcer, an apostle, and a faithful and true teacher of the gentiles. (I am telling you the truth. I am not lying.)"[/FONT]



Galatians 2:9



TS 2009
So when James, Cephas, and John (who were reputed to be leaders) recognized the grace that had been given me, they gave Barnabas and me the right hand of fellowship, agreeing that we should go to the gentiles and they to the circumcised.


New International Version
James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised.


New Living Translation
In fact, James, Peter, and John, who were known as pillars of the church, recognized the gift God had given me, and they accepted Barnabas and me as their co-workers. They encouraged us to keep preaching to the Gentiles, while they continued their work with the Jews.


English Standard Version
and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.


#G1380 δοκέω dokeo (d̮o-ke'-ō) v., 1. to suppose, consider, imagine., 2. (by implication) to seem (truthfully or uncertainly)., 3. (by inference) to presume., 4. (also) to repute or estimate., 5. (by extension) to be of reputation, estimable. {(used only in an alternate in certain tenses)} [a prolonged form of a primary verb, δόκω dốkō of the same meaning], KJV: be accounted, (of own) please(-ure), be of reputation, seem (good), suppose, think, trow, Compare: G1166, G1209, G2309, G3543, G3049, G5426, See also: G1384


Paul is literally saying that the apostles James and Cephas and John are “supposed, considered, seem, or presume” to be “pillars.” These are men that walked with Jesus daily and Jesus Himself called His apostles, training them to carry His doctrine to the world. Yet Paul says they “seemed to be pillars”


Matthew 19:28, "Jesus told them, “I tell all of you with certainty, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne in the renewed creation, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, governing the twelve tribes of Israel."

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 13:15, “For I (Jesus) gave you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Philippians 3:17-18, “Join together in imitating me, brothers, and pay close attention to those who live by the example we have given you. For I have often told you, and now tell you even with tears, that many live as enemies of the cross of Christ.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Peter 2:21, “This is, in fact, what you were called to do, because Christ also suffered for you and left an example for you to follow in His steps.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 1:26, “The one who says that he abides in him must live the same way he (Jesus) himself lived.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 1:13-15, "Follow the pattern of the sound words that you have heard from me, in the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you. You are aware that all who are in Asia turned away from me, among whom are Phygelus and Hermogenes.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”[/FONT]


 

Studyman

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#79
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Galatians 3:24-25
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

I agree. I think Paul and the Lord Jesus Christ are saying the same things. Paul is just expounding by the Revelation he was given.



Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

1 Cor.7: 19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, (The Word which became Flesh) believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa,
I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (ALL) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:

23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

Same Light.

This is what I mean about picking through Paul's words and using only those who support your religious tradition of reject the Words of the Word which became Flesh.

Galatians is speaking about the Jews and their refusal to accept the "CHANGE" in the Priesthood as the Word which became Flesh promised in Jer. 31. They were still following the "old" Priesthood which was "ADDED" until the Seed should come. This Priesthood was to lead them to Christ, who is our High Priest, and we would no longer need the Levite Priests or their sacrificial "works of the Priesthood Law". But the Jews couldn't accept this so they were still preach their version of these "works of the Law" for remission of sins.

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Your unbelief in the Words of the Bible does not make these Word's void, or my Faith in God of none effect.
 

Shamah

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And all the commandments can be summed up in one: LOVE!
First love God and also love your neighbor as yourself. Love is the fulfilment of the law!
True love is indded

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, “Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 7:12, “So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (the intent/sums up) the Law and the Prophets.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]YHWH’s Commands are love explained by Himself, the only one that knows the true standard of love:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 5:2-3, “By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The person who says they know Him and does not guard His Commands is called a liar in Scripture:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 2:3-7, “And by this we know that we know Him, if we guard His commands. The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever guards His Word, truly the love of Yah has been perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. The one who says he stays in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked. Beloved, I write no fresh command to you, but an old command which you have had from the beginning. The old command is the Word which you heard from the beginning.”[/FONT]