What about things the Bible is just wrong about?
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Friend, You cited the Bible as saying all these things, but you didn't provide a complete list of quotes directly from the Bible to back up what you are saying that the Bible says. Perhaps you are misreading the Bible on this. What do we do with what you say: just take it at your word that "the Bible says", when you don't even take the time to quote these things directly. Also, for whales being fish, have you not heard of metaphor? A whale is like a fish in some way, isn't it? It's a created creature which swims in the water, isn't it. So, in a sense, a whale is a fish, if you understand the word "is" means "is like a....". Take care. Scott
Whales are fish:
Jonah 1:17
Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
Matthew 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Moon emits light:
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
"The moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven." (Mathew 24:29)
Earth is a flat disc:
(Prov 8:26-27 NRSV) when he had not yet made earth and fields, or the world’s first bits of soil. When he established the heavens, I was there, when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,"
So he drew a circle.
(Isa 40:22 NRSV) It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in;"
Actually called a circle here
(Dan 4:10-11 NRSV) Upon my bed this is what I saw; there was a tree at the center of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew great and strong, its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to the ends of the whole earth."
Not possible on a sphere. Only possible on a flat disc.
(Mat 4:8 NRSV) Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor;"
Also only possible on a flat surface
Here's some about the Earth sitting on Pillars:
(Psa 93:1 NRSV) … He has established the world; it shall never be moved;
(1 Sam 2:8 NRSV) For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and on them he has set the world.
(Isa 24:18 NRSV) or the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
(Gen 1:6-7 NRSV) And God said, "Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters."
Domes don't make sense for a sphere. Then half the earth wouldn't see the sky.
(Gen 1:14-17 NRSV) And God said, "Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth." And it was so. God made the two great lights–the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night–and the stars.
God set them in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth,
Same thing
I can go on.
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In Job.. the Lod is recorded as saying the Earth is sphere, not flat
I don't know where you got that whales are fish from.. if its from Jomah and the whale then you'll find that nowhere does it say Jonah was swallowed by a whale. It says big fish but not whale. And you should listen and read the Bible literally, God wouldn't write it so we couldn't understand
I don't know where you got that whales are fish from.. if its from Jomah and the whale then you'll find that nowhere does it say Jonah was swallowed by a whale. It says big fish but not whale. And you should listen and read the Bible literally, God wouldn't write it so we couldn't understand
In Job.. the Lod is recorded as saying the Earth is sphere, not flat
I don't know where you got that whales are fish from.. if its from Jomah and the whale then you'll find that nowhere does it say Jonah was swallowed by a whale. It says big fish but not whale. And you should listen and read the Bible literally, God wouldn't write it so we couldn't understand
I don't know where you got that whales are fish from.. if its from Jomah and the whale then you'll find that nowhere does it say Jonah was swallowed by a whale. It says big fish but not whale. And you should listen and read the Bible literally, God wouldn't write it so we couldn't understand
Source for the first bit please?
And Jesus described it as a whale, as I posted just a moment ago.
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The Bible doesn't say the earth is flat. You have failed to show the word "flat" in any Scripture. And the verse says "circle", not "disc". Another difference. Also, the moon does have a light, in a manner of speaking. Moon light is the reflected light of the sun. The Bible is not meant to describe technical scientific laws. It shows what appears, not what is. The moon appears to have light, doesn't it? Yes. God is not revealing the fact that the light of the sun bounces off the moon. Why would He need to do that to save souls? Scientific knowledge does not save. If it did, we would be secure because some evil scientist learned how to split the atom. As it is, science can be devoid of moral values, and thus scientists did not ask whether it is right and good to create the atomic bomb. They just went and did it, out of fear of Hitler. Not very scientific, actually: emotional reaction of scientists who were'nt obeying God. Take care.
There should not have been nuclear weapons or nuclear power. These are destructive, and destruction is against God's mercy.
There should not have been nuclear weapons or nuclear power. These are destructive, and destruction is against God's mercy.
S
The Bible should be interpreted IN CONTEXT. If the context demands a literal interpretation, the interpretation is literal. If not literal, symbolic, typological, allegorical, figurative, parabolic, or some other way of correctly interpreting Scripture. The Bible has different literary forms, and we should respect the different forms and ways of speaking the writers of the Bible used. Not everything is literal. So, when Jesus said of Himself, "I am the door", He did not literally mean He is a wooden plank with a knob in the middle!
Take care!
Take care!
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The word fish from Jonah 1:17:
dag -- pronounced: dawg or (fully) dag (Neh. 13:16) dawg
from 1711; a fish (as prolific); or perhaps rather from 1672 (as timid); but still better from 1672 (in the sense of squirming, i.e. moving by the vibratory action of the tail); a fish (often used collectively): KJV -- fish.
Whale from Mathew 12 40:
ketos -- pronounced: kay'-tos
probably from the base of 5490; a huge fish (as gaping for prey): KJV -- whale.
See Greek No. 5490
<G5490>
chasma -- pronounced: khas'-mah
from a form of an obsolete primary chao (to "gape" or "yawn"); a "chasm" or vacancy (impassable interval): KJV -- gulf.
Also, I don't think any whale is capable of swallowing a person whole. but who knows.
dag -- pronounced: dawg or (fully) dag (Neh. 13:16) dawg
from 1711; a fish (as prolific); or perhaps rather from 1672 (as timid); but still better from 1672 (in the sense of squirming, i.e. moving by the vibratory action of the tail); a fish (often used collectively): KJV -- fish.
Whale from Mathew 12 40:
ketos -- pronounced: kay'-tos
probably from the base of 5490; a huge fish (as gaping for prey): KJV -- whale.
See Greek No. 5490
<G5490>
chasma -- pronounced: khas'-mah
from a form of an obsolete primary chao (to "gape" or "yawn"); a "chasm" or vacancy (impassable interval): KJV -- gulf.
Also, I don't think any whale is capable of swallowing a person whole. but who knows.
Am I being trolled? Seriously?
-sighs- Ok, so for starters, while the Bible (in our translations) may never use the word "flat", it clearly is describing a flat surface, as I pointed out several times with those quotes.
Also, it's not a matter of what will "save souls", it's a matter of the "infallible" word of God being blatantly wrong about a very simple fact.
And yes, Science, technically doesn't have a "moral" code. It's not an ethical search. It's a search for knowledge and truth. However we DO have a set of ethics in the modern scientific community.
And PLEASE don't undermine all the amazing wonderful GOOD that science has given man kind. Modern science and the like.
If we want to talk about God's mercy, let's talk tornadoes, floods, droughts, birth defects and miscarriages.
-sighs- Ok, so for starters, while the Bible (in our translations) may never use the word "flat", it clearly is describing a flat surface, as I pointed out several times with those quotes.
Also, it's not a matter of what will "save souls", it's a matter of the "infallible" word of God being blatantly wrong about a very simple fact.
And yes, Science, technically doesn't have a "moral" code. It's not an ethical search. It's a search for knowledge and truth. However we DO have a set of ethics in the modern scientific community.
And PLEASE don't undermine all the amazing wonderful GOOD that science has given man kind. Modern science and the like.
If we want to talk about God's mercy, let's talk tornadoes, floods, droughts, birth defects and miscarriages.
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Psalms 103:12 *As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
On a flat disk how far is the east from the west? What about on a round sphere, how far is the east from the west? Which one was God referring to in this verse? one goes on forever and the other one is limited.
I hope you do go on, we need someone like you to cull the herd.(and make the rest of us stronger.)
You make a very good point for the flat circle of the Earth up until the top comment I left in your quote where it doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense. If it's going to be flat it should at least give you some head room near the edge, also where in the Bible does it say anything about an edge of the Earth.
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I found a differing opinion on that but also the link says sperm whales might be able to do the job.
Is there any species of whale that can swallow a human whole? - Yahoo! Answers
Is there any species of whale that can swallow a human whole? - Yahoo! Answers
"As far as the East is from the Est" = As far apart as two things can possibly be, if the Earth is flat.
(Job 38:13 NIV) that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it?
Here is a few more verses that mention the ends of the earth
Deu 28:49, Deu 28:64, Deu 33:17, 1 Sam 2:10, Job 1:7, Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Psa 2:8, Psa 19:4, Psa 22:27, Psa 33:13, Psa 33:14, Psa 48:10, Psa 59:13, Psa 61:2, Psa 65:5, Psa 72:8
(Job 38:13 NIV) that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it?
Here is a few more verses that mention the ends of the earth
Deu 28:49, Deu 28:64, Deu 33:17, 1 Sam 2:10, Job 1:7, Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Psa 2:8, Psa 19:4, Psa 22:27, Psa 33:13, Psa 33:14, Psa 48:10, Psa 59:13, Psa 61:2, Psa 65:5, Psa 72:8
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Deuteronomy 28:49 *The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
Job 1:7 *And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
1 Samuel 2:10 *The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.
Most of these verses are similar to this one, so what your saying is that these places could look over the edge of the Earth into outer space. I don't think so.
But I do like the Job scripture because thats what ll happen.Job 38:13 *That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
and this is kjv the ends of the Earth just like your other scripture reference for the edge of the Earth ends of the earth not edges.
The earth will also reel to and frow like a drunkard, (or if the Earth is flat and circular like a wobbly record.
It makes absolutely no sense that there isn't any reference to people looking over the edge of the Earth, you would think if they believed that the Earth was flat and that the Bible is filled with fiction that they would have included a fictional account of someone looking down the edge of the Earth, that would make a cool story.
Job 1:7 *And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
1 Samuel 2:10 *The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.
Most of these verses are similar to this one, so what your saying is that these places could look over the edge of the Earth into outer space. I don't think so.
But I do like the Job scripture because thats what ll happen.Job 38:13 *That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
and this is kjv the ends of the Earth just like your other scripture reference for the edge of the Earth ends of the earth not edges.
The earth will also reel to and frow like a drunkard, (or if the Earth is flat and circular like a wobbly record.
It makes absolutely no sense that there isn't any reference to people looking over the edge of the Earth, you would think if they believed that the Earth was flat and that the Bible is filled with fiction that they would have included a fictional account of someone looking down the edge of the Earth, that would make a cool story.
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