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I find it truly amazing that someone presenting themself as an intellectual would disregard, out-of-hand, a respected world-class post-doctoral scholar from Oxford yet glom onto this guy as a credible source (e.g. Alberto Rivera).

Nelson's Illustrated Guide to Religions By James A. Beverley:

"Chick Publications circulate the works of Alberto Rivera, who claimed to be a Jesuit priest and biship in the Catholic Church... Rivera's life story was the subject of devastating criticism by Gary Metz in a 1981 Cornerstone magazine [e.g. Protestant magazine] report. Rivera's former colleagues (not priests as he was not one himself) provided Metz with clear evidence of Rivera's lies and delusions about his claims of espionage for the pope."

"Rivera had a 'history of legal entanglements' including fraud, credit card theft, and writing bad checks. Warrants had been issued for his arrest in New Jersey and Florida, and he was wanted by the Spanish police for 'swindles and cheats'; while in the USA in 1967, he claimed to be collecting money for a Spanish college, which never received this money. The details of his claims changed: In 1964 he said he had left the Catholic Church in July 1952, but he later put the date at March 20, 1967; despite this, he was still promoting Catholicism in a newspaper interview of August that same year. Although supposedly placed in the sanitorium in 1965 and held there for three months, he gave the date of his release as September 1967, leaving a period of over a year unaccounted.

The document exhibited by Rivera to prove his status as a Catholic priest was fraudulently obtained and the Catholic Church denies his claims of having been a Jesuit priest or a bishop. He had only one sister in London; she was not called Maria, was not a nun, and did not live in a convent. In an employment form dated 1963 he claimed marriage to Carmen Lydia Torres, and the couple had two children in the USA when his own account had him a celibate priest in Spain.

Cornerstone also questioned Rivera's claim to various degrees, including three doctorates (Th.D., D.D., and Ph.D.), reporting that his known chronology did not allow enough time for him to have completed these degrees and that he had admitted to receiving them from a Colorado diploma mill."

Metz, Gary (1981). "The Alberto Story". Cornerstone 9 (53): 29–31. Archived from the original on 2005-12-02. Cornerstone Magazine :: Alberto Rivera, Jack Chick, and a False Story
Smear job.

Listen to Alberto Rivera's testimony yourself and make up your own mind.

(not directed at you AOK)
 
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Doc because the papacy says he's a liar then it must be true, that's submission to the pope.
oh ya I forgot Alex...hehehe

and if the pope doesnt say people like Rivera are liars then he gets the Cup of Borgia by the SS...erm...I mean the Order of Jesuits.

Who's darth pope at the moment?

still alfonso nicholas?
 
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oh ya I forgot Alex...hehehe

and if the pope doesnt say people like Rivera are liars then he gets the Cup of Borgia by the SS...erm...I mean the Order of Jesuits.

Who's darth pope at the moment?

still alfonso nicholas?
Borgia, as in 1500s become pope?? that's a "wow".
He took infallible to how whole new level
 
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“The following information is going to be a ‘shock’ to all Roman Catholics. In 1491 San Ignacio De Loyola was born in the Basque province of Guipuzcoa, Spain. His parents were Marranos and at the time of his birth the family was very wealthy. As a young man he became a member of the Jewish Illuminati Order in Spain. As a cover for his crypto Jewish activities, he became very active as a Roman Catholic. On May 20, 1521 Ignatius (as he was now called) was wounded in a battle, and became a semi-cripple. Unable to succeed in the military and political arena, he started a quest for holiness and eventually ended up in Paris where he studied for the priesthood. In 1539 he had moved to Rome where he founded the ‘Jesuit Order,’ which was to become the most vile, bloody and persecuting order in the Roman Catholic Church. In 1540, the current Pope Paul III approved the order. At Loyola’s death in 1556 there were more than 1000 members in the Jesuit order, located in a number of nations.

“Setting up the Jesuit order, Ignatius Loyola devised an elaborate spy system, so that no one in the order was safe. If there was any opposition, death would come swiftly. The Jesuit order not only became a destructive arm of the Roman Catholic Church; it also developed into a secret intelligence service.”

Pastor John Torrel

The fact that the founder of the Society of Jesus, originally called “‘The Company’ of Jesus,” was a Marrano Jew, should give us pause to reflect and to reassess the official party line that the Jesuits is a “Roman Catholic” institution. As well, to wonder about the source of this propaganda campaign, which is probably the Illuminati. Pastor Torell adds, “While the Popes relied more and more on the Jesuits, they were unaware that the hardcore leadership were Jewish, and that these Jews held membership in the Illuminati Order which despised and hated the Roman Catholic Church.” This seems very generous of Rev. Torrell considering the popes of the Reformation period. [See Pope Chart] The pope who authorized formation of the Society of Jesus in 1540, as well as the Council of Trent conducted by the Jesuits from 1545 to 1563 to crush the Reformation, was quite the reprobate.

MYSTERY BABYLON 3
 
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The Jesuits are a crypto Jewish cult inside the judaized xtianity of RCC.

Keeping tabs for the mother of harlots.
 

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Smear job.

Listen to Alberto Rivera's testimony yourself and make up your own mind.

(not directed at you AOK)
I stand by my earlier assertions. You have no interest in the truth whatsoever. All you care about is being right. That's why you so easily dismiss all the evidence that disagrees with you. It's a "smear job" or else us Catholics are just hiding something, or the Pope will be given the "cup of Borgia"

Never mind the straightforward facts, never mind that the most logical point of view in the case of Alberto is that he is a con man, in your mind the real truth always has to be the most insane conspiracy theory. Even when presented with clear, convincing proof of Alberto's lies you would never dismiss him because then you'd be proven wrong. And you being right is much more important to you than finding the truth.
 

zone

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really, we should check the sources.
i'm not sure he's entirely credible concerning the jesuits.

al capone's vault was empty, dont forget.
 

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The Jesuits are a crypto Jewish cult inside the judaized xtianity of RCC.

Keeping tabs for the mother of harlots.
t'is true.
the reg'lar catholic folks don't know that though.
rome got hijacked by the judaizers fer sure.

just like the secular jews have no clue what their national religion is.
 
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t'is true.
the reg'lar catholic folks don't know that though.
rome got hijacked by the judaizers fer sure.

just like the secular jews have no clue what their national religion is.
Where do you guys get this stuff?? Judiazers did not make Catholicism. Pegan leaders of the roman elite did. Because they were afraid they would be swarmed by their pagan citizens if they did not add pagan stuff with christian stuff after Christianity was made the religion of the state.

The jews were teaching law and circumcision. Not paganism.
 
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I stand by my earlier assertions. You have no interest in the truth whatsoever. All you care about is being right. That's why you so easily dismiss all the evidence that disagrees with you. It's a "smear job" or else us Catholics are just hiding something, or the Pope will be given the "cup of Borgia"

Never mind the straightforward facts, never mind that the most logical point of view in the case of Alberto is that he is a con man, in your mind the real truth always has to be the most insane conspiracy theory. Even when presented with clear, convincing proof of Alberto's lies you would never dismiss him because then you'd be proven wrong. And you being right is much more important to you than finding the truth.
The most logical point of view regarding Rivera is that the Catholics are attempting to smear him to discredit his exposure of the jesuit order.
 
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Where do you guys get this stuff?? Judiazers did not make Catholicism. Pegan leaders of the roman elite did. Because they were afraid they would be swarmed by their pagan citizens if they did not add pagan stuff with christian stuff after Christianity was made the religion of the state.

The jews were teaching law and circumcision. Not paganism.
RCC is the TEMPLE CULT with a sprinkling of paganism.
 

zone

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The most logical point of view regarding Rivera is that the Catholics are attempting to smear him to discredit his exposure of the jesuit order.


it'll never work!
BUSTED RIVERA!
 

dscherck

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The most logical point of view regarding Rivera is that the Catholics are attempting to smear him to discredit his exposure of the jesuit order.
Right. Never mid the evidence compiled by Protestants, or civil authorities, never mind the blatant lies pointed such as the one about his sister, never mind the work records showing he couldn't have been places he claimed to be. The most logical thing is a massive conspiracy that fabricated all the evidence.


Again you prove my point. You don't want the truth. You just want to be right.

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Does anyone have access to 'The Jesuits Catechism', According to St. Ignatius Loyola, A. H., (London: John Lawrence, 1685) pp. 43-47.

?? Maybe you can confirm the following

Absolutist Papal Maxims of the Jesuits

1. There is but one Supreme Authority in the World, and that is the Pope.
2. God hath delivered over unto the Pope the Power and Rule of Heaven and Earth, therefore we must be obedient unto him upon pain of damnation.
3. All Right and Power are lodged in his Breast.
4. No Law can be made to bind Christians, but by the Pope’s Authority, as of old the Israelites received none but by Moses.
5. The Gospel would not be the Gospel, if the Pope had not approved of it.
6. The Pope can take away any man’s Right, and give it to another.
7. The Pope can do any thing, above all Right, against all Right and without all Right.
8. If Christ commands one thing, and the Pope another thing, the Pope is rather to be obeyed than Jesus Christ.
9. The Pope’s Decretory Letters are to be received and esteemed as Authentic as the Word of God or the Holy Scriptures.
10. It is Sacrilege to question the Pope’s Actions, and he is cursed of God who violates the Pope’s censures.
11. If the Pope affirm that to be black, which our Eyes judge to be white, we ought also then to declare, that it’s black, upon pain of our souls.
12. The Pope hath the sole Rule and Power of the whole World in Temporals as well as in Spirituals, and therefore can depose Emperors and Kings, and may dispose of their Dominions as he shall think convenient.
13. If the Pope shall depose a King and give his Kingdom to another, and the people will not receive him, the Pope may bring him in by force of Arms, because he is Judge of all and instead of God on Earth.
14. Not to believe that the Pope can depose Kings is [to be], and that deservedly, damned for Heresy.
15. Christ had not done wisely if he had not left the Pope power to depose Kings.
16. If a King be a Heretic or favorer of Heresy he may be deposed.
17. If the Pope shall declare a King to be a Heretic, he hath no right to his Kingdom, and the Pope may depose him.
18. The Pope can give the people liberty either to choose or take new Masters; by this means they keep all Kings and Princes in their Obedience and Submission to the Pope.
19. All Protestants are Heretics, and therefore they ought to be killed.
20. It is better and safer to make alliance and amity with Turks, Infidels, or Jews, than with Heretic Protestants, because they may draw us into the errors of their novelties.
 
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Right. Never mid the evidence compiled by Protestants, or civil authorities, never mind the blatant lies pointed such as the one about his sister, never mind the work records showing he couldn't have been places he claimed to be. The most logical thing is a massive conspiracy that fabricated all the evidence.


Again you prove my point. You don't want the truth. You just want to be right.

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The Jesuit oath even says:

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope. You have been taught to plant insidiously the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities[/FONT]

So vringing forth evidence from supposed protestants aint gonna do you much good either.
 

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Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, the General of the International Military Order of the Society of Jesus, commonly known as “the Black Pope

exactly what do these guys do?
 

dscherck

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The Jesuit oath even says:

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope. You have been taught to plant insidiously the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities[/FONT]

So vringing forth evidence from supposed protestants aint gonna do you much good either.
Posting a fake oath won't help your case. You have been directed to the proper oath, and you ignore it in favour of whatever confirms your beliefs. You have no regards for the truth, only what you think confirms you to be correct.
 
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Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, the General of the International Military Order of the Society of Jesus, commonly known as “the Black Pope

exactly what do these guys do?
Adolfo Nicolas is the newest Darth Pope.



Not shifty lookin' at all eh?