I expect an answer from you so called learned Christians
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OK Journey.., lets say you are right
How do I be a good little "Goyim"? Donate all my money to the Nation State of Israel?
Have many sons that they might fight and die for Israel to take over the world?
Kill a Palestinian?
And whats the plan? We takeover the surrounding nations., rebuild the temple and reinstate animal sacrifice right?
Good little Noahides who know their place will serve the Jews right?
How do I be a good little "Goyim"? Donate all my money to the Nation State of Israel?
Have many sons that they might fight and die for Israel to take over the world?
Kill a Palestinian?
And whats the plan? We takeover the surrounding nations., rebuild the temple and reinstate animal sacrifice right?
Good little Noahides who know their place will serve the Jews right?
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The OT prophets had the same faith in God that we do today. They looked forward to the Lord Jesus and we look back. By faith we are saved. From the beginning until now.
Are you thinking that OT people couldn't have faith in Jesus because He hadn't manifested in the flesh yet?
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The OT prophets had the same faith in God that we do today. They looked forward to the Lord Jesus and we look back. By faith we are saved. From the beginning until now.
Are you thinking that OT people couldn't have faith in Jesus because He hadn't manifested in the flesh yet?
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serve the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Christ is The Word, and has always been, whether in tables of stone in the Law,
Or in Spoken to the Prophets, or in Flesh when He was made manifest.
You've quoted the scripture over and over again but do you hear it?
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
"TRUTH"
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
"TRUTH"
"The word is Truth"
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Christ is The Word, and has always been, whether in tables of stone in the Law,
Or in Spoken to the Prophets, or in Flesh when He was made manifest.
You've quoted the scripture over and over again but do you hear it?
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
"TRUTH"
Joh 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
"TRUTH"
"The word is Truth"
S
Well, I am not one of these learned Christians who could endlessly debate the differences between pre-dispensational post-milleniial juxtapositions and plan-B post-tribulationary amilenial paridigms, but I'm willing to make a guess that the pre-NT saints of old were saved through righteousness and faith. Yeshua called Abel "Righteous" when confronting the scribes, so I'm going to assume he went to Heaven, even though the only prophecy he would have known at the time that we are aware of was that someone from his mothers seed would bruise the serpent. That's pretty limited information about Christ.
Also, Abraham had faith in Gods promise, and it was accredited to him as righteousness. He didn't have much in the way of law, and his knowledge of Yeshua was fairly limited. So there you go.
As far as the prophets and suchlike, I'm guessing the same rules applied. BTW, call me nutty, but I always assumed that Jeremiah got a standing ovation from the saints when he entered heaven, because whew, did he have a rough life.
Also, Abraham had faith in Gods promise, and it was accredited to him as righteousness. He didn't have much in the way of law, and his knowledge of Yeshua was fairly limited. So there you go.
As far as the prophets and suchlike, I'm guessing the same rules applied. BTW, call me nutty, but I always assumed that Jeremiah got a standing ovation from the saints when he entered heaven, because whew, did he have a rough life.
They did know Christ. They spoke His very Word.
Examples of David and Abraham in Romans 4
Romans 4 1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, 7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
God Bless You