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It's the only gospel we've got. Accept it.
I wouldn't even say that. There's no way of knowing a person will be born again on a specific night, until it happens.
I have no problem walking into a room and saying, "It is likely some of you will go to hell".
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I don't have a problem in preaching and teaching the truth, even when it's uncomfortable.
I wouldn't even say that. There's no way of knowing a person will be born again on a specific night, until it happens.
I have no problem walking into a room and saying, "It is likely some of you will go to hell".
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I don't have a problem in preaching and teaching the truth, even when it's uncomfortable.
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I do. I just don't accept yours.
Gospel = Love, because He first loved us. He loves the world. That anyone who chooses to believe in Him will not perish.
Jesus loves us all dearly. He WANTS to have a relationship with us.
God has made Himself evident to man. It says in Romans 1. So it's their choice whether they acknowledge it or not. If man was totally depraved, God COULDN'T make Himself evident to them. They'd be too "dead."
Calvinism really doesn't think about what the heck goes on in the world! It just says people do what they do because they were predestined to do it. How HEARTLESS!
People ask "Why did God let this happen?" and all you can say is, "Oh, well God predestined for it to happen." and that person is already on the very edge. Why not push 'em over? Great idea. NOT!!
Gospel = Love, because He first loved us. He loves the world. That anyone who chooses to believe in Him will not perish.
Jesus loves us all dearly. He WANTS to have a relationship with us.
God has made Himself evident to man. It says in Romans 1. So it's their choice whether they acknowledge it or not. If man was totally depraved, God COULDN'T make Himself evident to them. They'd be too "dead."
Calvinism really doesn't think about what the heck goes on in the world! It just says people do what they do because they were predestined to do it. How HEARTLESS!
People ask "Why did God let this happen?" and all you can say is, "Oh, well God predestined for it to happen." and that person is already on the very edge. Why not push 'em over? Great idea. NOT!!
Calvinism was written by a MAN. And who are we to say that his views are correct? I'd pray a TON about it before believing a word he said.
And why does Calvinism speak for other's salvation? Since when does Calvin has right to speak for other's salvations? Besides, do you know how NEW Calvinism is? Why can't we stick to the Bible, and the BIBLE ONLY? No denominations, no nothing. Just us, Jesus, and the Bible. Nothing else. Let's take the Bible as a whole, and not the verses we think best supports our point.
And why does Calvinism speak for other's salvation? Since when does Calvin has right to speak for other's salvations? Besides, do you know how NEW Calvinism is? Why can't we stick to the Bible, and the BIBLE ONLY? No denominations, no nothing. Just us, Jesus, and the Bible. Nothing else. Let's take the Bible as a whole, and not the verses we think best supports our point.
Hi
God in all His wisdom foreseen it all, those who loved the truth and those who didn't.
The Father does not make himself known to all.
It is written, Jacob i loved but Esau I hated.
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God in all His wisdom foreseen it all, those who loved the truth and those who didn't.
The Father does not make himself known to all.
It is written, Jacob i loved but Esau I hated.
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P
I know a song from Thousand Foot Krutch, a christian rock band who have some interesting lyrics about this.
We've all been given a second chance
But the chance is all our own.
SongMeanings | Lyrics | Thousand Foot Krutch - Scream
Think that is kinda the way it is.
We've all been given a second chance
But the chance is all our own.
SongMeanings | Lyrics | Thousand Foot Krutch - Scream
Think that is kinda the way it is.
J
You probably should evangelize me then.
Verses?
Don't confuse General Revelation with Special Revelation.
In a sense of the word choice, yes.
Says who?
Sounds like hyper-Calvinism to me. Don't straw man please.
I don't think a whole lot about what goes on in the world, I admit. How can I when my focus is elsewhere?
Heartless? Is that the measure of what is true? Whether it makes us feel good or not?
If that's what you want, then this guy is your perfect match...
If you want your bible to make you feel good, and warm and fuzzy and acceptable in the age of humanism, I suggest you never read the Old Testament.
What about when God sent plagues into Egypt, or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? What about this one?
Exodus 32:27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Oh, how "heartless", it doesn't make me feel giddy.
It's part of his good will and purpose. Read Ephesians.
If you want to base things on how they make us feel about our lives. I find it far more comforting to know that when bad things happen, it happens even to the glory of God. Get hit by a car and your legs are broke? God is in control. He's not just "letting" pointless unredeeming suffering take place which he could otherwise prevent.
A faulty understanding, but if it floats your boat, so be it.
Verses?
Don't confuse General Revelation with Special Revelation.
In a sense of the word choice, yes.
Says who?
Sounds like hyper-Calvinism to me. Don't straw man please.
I don't think a whole lot about what goes on in the world, I admit. How can I when my focus is elsewhere?
Heartless? Is that the measure of what is true? Whether it makes us feel good or not?
If that's what you want, then this guy is your perfect match...
If you want your bible to make you feel good, and warm and fuzzy and acceptable in the age of humanism, I suggest you never read the Old Testament.
What about when God sent plagues into Egypt, or destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? What about this one?
Exodus 32:27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
Oh, how "heartless", it doesn't make me feel giddy.
It's part of his good will and purpose. Read Ephesians.
If you want to base things on how they make us feel about our lives. I find it far more comforting to know that when bad things happen, it happens even to the glory of God. Get hit by a car and your legs are broke? God is in control. He's not just "letting" pointless unredeeming suffering take place which he could otherwise prevent.
A faulty understanding, but if it floats your boat, so be it.
J
The bible was written by 40 different authors over a time span of about 1500 years. Who are we to say that their views are correct?
Inconsistency the sign of a failed argument. I don't know any Calvinist who believes Calvinism because of Calvin's sake. We believe it because that's what the bible says.
I really don't care what he said, nor any other influential churchmen. I'm interested in the word of God.
I'm not sure I get your point here. The bible speaks on other people's salvation. Calvinism just says what the bible says. Calvin wasn't speaking for himself.
The word Calvinism is relatively new. The theology is much older. It's straight from the bible.
Jesus himself said the same thing Calvinism says.
That's what I've been asking for, but no one seems to care. Bring in emotional baggage about how evil God would be if he didn't do what I want him to do and all that... Repugnant.
Denominations exist largely because someone didn't let the bible be the rule of faith.
Well, I guess you can do so, but since you say I have a different Gospel, I won't be able to join.
Aren't you takeing verses you think best supports your point? 2 peter 3:9, 1 tim 2:4? I've been asking to take the bible as a whole, and let it interpret itself, but you and others keep dissecting verses from their context to derive what you want out of them.
I've finally made progress and gotten you to admit that All isn't always an all inclusive all, took a lot of patience on my behalf to get that from you. Sarah88 was much quicker with Ecclesiastes 1:2.
Inconsistency the sign of a failed argument. I don't know any Calvinist who believes Calvinism because of Calvin's sake. We believe it because that's what the bible says.
I really don't care what he said, nor any other influential churchmen. I'm interested in the word of God.
I'm not sure I get your point here. The bible speaks on other people's salvation. Calvinism just says what the bible says. Calvin wasn't speaking for himself.
The word Calvinism is relatively new. The theology is much older. It's straight from the bible.
Jesus himself said the same thing Calvinism says.
That's what I've been asking for, but no one seems to care. Bring in emotional baggage about how evil God would be if he didn't do what I want him to do and all that... Repugnant.
Denominations exist largely because someone didn't let the bible be the rule of faith.
Well, I guess you can do so, but since you say I have a different Gospel, I won't be able to join.
Aren't you takeing verses you think best supports your point? 2 peter 3:9, 1 tim 2:4? I've been asking to take the bible as a whole, and let it interpret itself, but you and others keep dissecting verses from their context to derive what you want out of them.
I've finally made progress and gotten you to admit that All isn't always an all inclusive all, took a lot of patience on my behalf to get that from you. Sarah88 was much quicker with Ecclesiastes 1:2.
J
If i were an unbeliever, and somebody comes to me and tells me that all these calvinism thing about how God had decided to have mercy on me and throw my brother to hell just because he wishes to..
Needless to say much, that person won't leave my house alive..
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Needless to say much, that person won't leave my house alive..
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As far as what God does or doesn't do. It's not my place to challenge him. He is God, I am not. I seek to serve.
Be Thou my Vision, O Lord of my heart;
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art.
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art.
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
Hi everyone, missed you all ..
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I'm glad to see you interacting in the forums again though. Finals should be coming up soon for ya' there in deutchland. Prepared for that?