CHRISTMAS: SHOULD IT BE CELEBRATED OR REJECTED? YOU DECIDE

[JaumeJ]

Psa 16:4 Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.

There are those claiming to be teachers bringing up the names of gods in the forum to others who have no idea of what the names were ever, nor having any idea of the customs of pagans.

It is written, and it is true, some customs of man are harmless. When a person worships Yeshua, Jesus, while commemorating His Birth and Life in all He did for each of us, that person is in no manner giving any credence to idols and false gods. That person is honoring the Savior in the manner he sees fit.

If people here know about pagans and pagan gods, this is fine, but it is not right to hang on innocents the guilt of going after false gods, they are not doing anything like it. They are all worshiping the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are all part of the same Body of Yeshua, Christ. We are not to judge another man's servant.

 

[Bookends]

I will my friend.

I ask you this,

Did you get any of those customs from reading the Bible?

Was it not the way of the world that taught you them?

I didn't get any of today's customs from the bible no. The world teaches an other meaning to our holidays, but as for me I try to honor the Lord in them. Christ gave a free gift to me, therefor I give a gift to my wife, children and friends in the same spirit ( not just one day, but when every the opportunity rises, doesn't have to be a physical gift either, just love would suffice). Just because man makes up a holiday doesn't necessarily make it contrary to the Lord. It's what proceeds from heart that God is most concerned about, and that is biblical. It's the identity that you personally put behind the holiday, and your motive, that makes it sin or not, as JaumeJ pointed out earlier:

The Law of Liberty

14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

I'm not suggesting that you are judging me, I think that this is the intent of the OPer. We shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ and our true motivations will be exposed. Lord have mercy on me!

 

[loveme1]

Ezekiel 8

10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.

11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.

12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, the Lord seeth us not; the Lord hath forsaken the earth.

13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

16 And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

think of the religions today....

 

[loveme1]

I didn't get any of today's customs from the bible no. The world teaches an other meaning to our holidays, but as for me I try to honor the Lord in them. Christ gave a free gift to me, therefor I give a gift to my wife, children and friends in the same spirit ( not just one day, but when every the opportunity rises, doesn't have to be a physical gift either, just love would suffice). Just because man makes up a holiday doesn't necessarily make it contrary to the Lord. It's what proceeds from heart that God is most concerned about, and that is biblical. It's the identity that you personally put behind the holiday, and your motive, that makes it sin or not, as JaumeJ pointed out earlier:

The Law of Liberty

14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

I'm not suggesting that you are judging me, I think that this is the intent of the OPer. We shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ and our true motivations will be exposed. Lord have mercy on me!

Yahvah God help me if i do anything that is not for his Glory in Spirit and Truth.

 

[ozell]

Proverbs 3:13 (KJV)
Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.


John 17:17 (KJV)
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Seek and get the truth understand why The Lord speak of other Gods

 

[ozell]

Here is Paul speaking about the god of Xmas who was born on the 25 of December

2 Corinthians 11:4 (KJV)
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him .

Paul speaks of another Jesus

Who here knows what day the Jesus of the bible was born?

 

[Bookends]

Ezekiel 8



think of the religions today....

Before King david was king, When King Saul was seeking his life, David had an idol (image) in his house. And this image was actually used to Save David's life. Wow, God used something bad for good. This story never says that David worshiped this idol.

1 Samuel 19:11-14
11 Saul also sent messengers to David’s house to watch him and to kill him in the morning. And Michal, David’s wife, told him, saying, “If you do not save your life tonight, tomorrow you will be killed.” 12 So Michal let David down through a window. And he went and fled and escaped. 13 And Michal took an image and laid it in the bed, put a cover of goats’ hair for his head, and covered it with clothes. 14 So when Saul sent messengers to take David, she said, “He is sick.”

Do you believe David to saved? Did God ever once mention to David why this image was in his house? Did not David have a heart after the Lords?

 

[ozell]

I didn't get any of today's customs from the bible no. The world teaches an other meaning to our holidays, but as for me I try to honor the Lord in them. Christ gave a free gift to me, therefor I give a gift to my wife, children and friends in the same spirit ( not just one day, but when every the opportunity rises, doesn't have to be a physical gift either, just love would suffice). Just because man makes up a holiday doesn't necessarily make it contrary to the Lord. It's what proceeds from heart that God is most concerned about, and that is biblical. It's the identity that you personally put behind the holiday, and your motive, that makes it sin or not, as JaumeJ pointed out earlier:

The Law of Liberty

14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

I'm not suggesting that you are judging me, I think that this is the intent of the OPer. We shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ and our true motivations will be exposed. Lord have mercy on me!

When Romans 14 is used the term weak in the faith is used. The chapter is about those who are weak in the faith. If you are weak in the faith you have no faith.

So they have to be taught read the chapter

 

[clarkthompson]

Christians took a day of pagan worship and made it about Jesus, much like Sundays was pagan worship to the sun god but they made it about Jesus. Why? Well if they did it another day people would be tempted to fall into their old ways, if worship stayed on Saturdays we would of had people who would go to church on Saturdays and worship the sun on Sundays, but they had to choose they chose the Son over the sun

 

[loveme1]

Before King david was king, When King Saul was seeking his life, David had an idol (image) in his house. And this image was actually used to Save David's life. Wow, God used something bad for good. This story never says that David worshiped this idol.

1 Samuel 19:11-14
11 Saul also sent messengers to David’s house to watch him and to kill him in the morning. And Michal, David’s wife, told him, saying, “If you do not save your life tonight, tomorrow you will be killed.” 12 So Michal let David down through a window. And he went and fled and escaped. 13 And Michal took an image and laid it in the bed, put a cover of goats’ hair for his head, and covered it with clothes. 14 So when Saul sent messengers to take David, she said, “He is sick.”

Do you believe David to saved? Did God ever once mention to David why this image was in his house? Did not David have a heart after the Lords?

i'm not Yahvah God and really see not why you ask me such things.

I have shared my beliefs and they come from scripture.

I did not write but i believe.


We walk forward never backward.

 

[Nautilus]

gosh these are dull threads. Its christmas...regardless of whether or not it was the actual day of jesus' birth the meaning and intention is there. The fact that some christians worry about christmas so much just bothers me. Is this what your reliigon has become to you? Petty bickerings over holidays? embarrassing.

 

[Dude653]

Christmas is one of the biggest scams in history. Many department stores make 40% of their yearly profit just from Christmas. People spend outrageous amounts of money to buy a bunch of junk for their kids so they can get stuff from Santa Clause. Much of it will will broken, lost or abandoned within a couple months. It's a system that I choose no longer to be part of.

 

[WolfInOxHide]

Rejected?: personally, mostly, and I do hate all but the family companionship aspect of it.
Sinful?: only to those who really understand the situation with it.

Some people are "deceived" by it, but deceit is not guiltily chosen by the victim. Otherwise, it would not be "deceit" would it?

Yeshua died so that we might "discern", not "judge".
And Yeshua's example is not to judge, but if we do either because we "chose" to judge, or if it were to come automatically to us, that we judge righteously. If they do not know that they are sinning, they are not guilty. "Father, forgive them, they know not what they do." This is what it means to be under or not be under the law. And I hope this shows someone how that entire debate is errant on both sides.

If you know you are sinning, and do it, you are under the law.
If you don't know, and do it, you are not under the law.

We try first to teach our child. (Do not eat from that tree)
Then, we discipline. ("This is what it feels like to the other person", but no more than that.)

Christmas celebrators: They are forgiven according to what's in their heart, whether it be family, or wal-mart trampling, Santa Claus, or Yeshua.

Peace.

 

[OFM]

I celebrate and worship ur Lord Jesus Christ as the Savior and Light in My Life to the Whole world as well.

 

[OFM]

be blessed.

 

[ozell]

Revelation 12:9 (KJV)
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Satan has deceived the whole world into thinking that Xmas is Jesus birthdate and that it is for the kids and family.

 

[ozell]

be blessed.

Exodus 20:3-5 (KJV)
Thou shalt have no other gods before me. [4] Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: [5] Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

 

[ozell]

be blessed.

Deuteronomy 4:27-28 (KJV)
And the Lord shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the Lord shall lead you. [28] And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

 

[RickShafer]

Have you not used the verse in Jeremiah about adorning trees with metal yet Ozell?
I'd have thought that would have been the first one you used.

 

[RickShafer]

So plain made simple, is everyone that celebrates christmas on saturnalia-(dec.25), going to hell ozell?