Re: Fallacies of the Present Day Church
skinski what would you tell a Christian who had fell into sin?
would you tell him tough luck? Your going to hell bud!
What do you think this means:
Gal 6: 1Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5for each one should carry his own load.
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Sinski ill ask again
Galatians 6 is not hard to understand. Paul is most certainly not teaching that "you can sin and not surely die" and he is most certainly not teaching that "you can willfully sin and remain justified."
Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness;
considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted
Paul is alluding in simile to the mindset of which he wrote...
1Co 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth
take heed lest he fall.
In Gal 6:1 he is clearly teaching that we are to restore a brother who is in error to restore them with the truth. When he states "
which are spiritual" is is very similar language to this...
2Co 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience,
when your obedience is fulfilled.
A clear allusion that one must remove the beam from their own eye before they can address the splinter in a brother.
False doctrine is very dangerous and it destroys souls thus if we see a brother being led into the error of the wicked we are to meekly bring them back on the path and we have to also be very aware that we to can be deceived also.
Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
We are to love one another and share in each others burdens. The Church is to uphold each other in love. This is why fellowship is so important.
Gal 6:3 For
if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
Gal 6:4 But
let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
The above verses are very similar to Paul's wording in...
2Co_13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves.
Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
The "workers of iniquity" that Jesus rejects in Matthew 7 most definitely "thought they were something, when they were not." These are warnings about self deception. Hence even James warned that we are to be DOERS and not HEARERS ONLY deceiving ourselves.
Many people today teach that you can be a hearer only and not a doer. Although it is often presented very deceptively because they will teach that "doing" FOLLOWS salvation yet when you examine what they teach carefully they are actually teaching only a "partial" doing. This is because their doctrine denies that the old man with its passions and desires is crucified in repentance.
One person in this thread boldly proclaimed that the "crucifixion of the flesh with its passions and desires in repentance was unbliblical." Quite an amazing statement which clearly demonstrates that this individual never truly repented. It is impossible to deny such a thing if you have actually been through it.
I asked them that when is the old man crucified with its passions and desires if it is not in repentance. Like usual my question went unanswered but these people will keep asking me questions. What I teach is irrefutable when examined in the light of the Bible.
Gal 6:5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
We are each to undertake our walk ourselves for it is our own responsibility. Just as Noah was responsible for yielding to God and building the ark, likewise are we responsible in regards to obeying God and thus forsaking all iniquity and to walk in the steps of righteousness by faith.
Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived;
God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
God will not be mocked. This is a very powerful statement and is absolutely true.
Many who profess Jesus Christ deny that you have to...
1. Strive to enter in at the strait gate and endure the narrow way.
2. Deny yourself, pick up your cross, follow Jesus.
3. Count the cost of what it means to actually follow Jesus (it costs everything).
4. You have to lose your life (living for self and living for the world) in order to save it.
5. Go and sin no more, ie. rebellion against God ceases.
Jesus taught all the above clearly int he Gospels. Modern Christianity pretty much ignores the teachings of the Master and instead focus on a few isolated portions of Paul's writings which they wrest out of context to use as the bedrock of the "trust in the finished work of Christ + do nothing" false gospel.
If all you have to do to be saved is simply "trust" in the "provision" made by Jesus on the cross then the clear teachings of Jesus will be mocked. It would mean that Jesus was not really serious when He made those statements, that Jesus was actually exaggerating.
No, God will not be mocked. The way to life is narrow and only a very few will find it and even fewer will be able to enter in exactly like Jesus taught. The vast majority of those who profess Jesus as Lord will be rejected at the judgment, Jesus most assuredly taught that.
Jesus taught about the FEW and the MANY. FEW will be saved and MANY will be deceived. MANY will profess "Lord, Lord," MANY will profess that they did many works in Jesus name yet they are rejected by Jesus and He calls them "WORKERS OF INIQUITY." These people NEVER departed from their iniquity. These people NEVER truly repented. They thought they did but they were deceived.
Are you deceived? Have you departed from iniquity? Have you crucified your flesh with its passions and desires? Or do you still yield to those passions and desires and work iniquity from time to time?
You cannot do both for Jesus clearly taught that the eye must be single and that one cannot serve two masters. Paul taught that light and darkness do not mix and also that one is a servant to who they yield to, whether it be sin unto death of obedience unto righteousness.
Many on this forum will vehemently deny that they teach "grace is a license to sin" yet out of the other side of their mouth they will teach that "no sin can condemn you" if you have accepted Jesus into your heart.
EG is a good example of this for he clearly teaches that "salvation" once granted (the package) cannot be lost. Thus sins committed by the Christian only result in being disciplined, loss of rewards, or loss of assurance or fellowship. Never a loss of salvation. Thus while he may deny that he teaches that "grace is a license to sin" that is exactly what he teaches.
It appears that you hold to the same doctrine because you support his posts. Yet it is not my job to convince you, I only plant seeds or water the seeds of others. God gives the increase.
Gal 6:9 And
let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
A clear verse about remaining steadfast in the faith and being a doer of the word. Very similarly worded to this passage...
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who
by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
What you DO does matter. Practicaly every parable that Jesus taught spoke of the difference between those who "did something" and those "who did not." Yet so many professing Christian's say that "what you do has nothing to do with it" they will stick to Eph 2:8-9 and Rom 4:5-6 never understanding that the works in those verses is in the context of works done apart from the grace of God, works done in the flesh as opposed to works done in the Spirit by faith. The false teachers throw out all works together as they apply to the salvation of the soul. It is a tragedy.
Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
Gal 6:11 Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand.
Gal 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
Gal 6:13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
Gal 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Above Pail reiterates what he has previously written that it is not the outward fleshly works that save the soul but rather it is in the inward purity of heart wrought through abiding in Jesus Christ where one becomes a new creature.
