Eat My Flesh Drink My Blood

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Why did so many of the disciples that were following Jesus get offended at this saying in (Jn 6:48-66)...

48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?
62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?
63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

Mt 26:26-31
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.
30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
31 Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad.

(v.56)...
56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.

1Cor 1:23
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

Lk 9:22-24
22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.
23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

There comes a time when every believer must eat His flesh and drink His blood. The plan of God will make sure that this happens and if His flesh and blood is not taken up by the believer, he will be offended and will stop following the Lord Jesus Christ through the new covenant. He will profess His name and believe upon Him for salvation, but will come short of taking up the cross to lose his life for Christ's sake and the gospel's (1Cor 4:10, Mk 8:35). These disciples that were mentioned thought it was a hard saying being difficult to exercise themselves in. The Jews could exercise themselves in keeping the law but to take up the cross and eat the flesh of Yeshua and to drink His blood, they could not do that.

This is where their identification with the cross and with Christ ceased. They walked away and FOLLOWED HIM NO MORE! They believed upon Him as the Messiah and continued to follow the law, but did not follow Him through eating His flesh and drinking His blood because they were offended by it. Circumcision and the law came first and this new testament flesh and blood thing was too much for them to grasp and cleave onto. It was too subjective and not something they could do to justify themselves. They could keep the law and be justified because that was expected and practiced and accepted as something very tangible and upright, but to eat His flesh and drink His blood, that was over the top and not something they were willing to do.

To do this they would have to 'back seat' the law and the other commandments and make this new commandment a priority that would result in losing their life. Keeping the law was far better because they would not have to lose their life but instead they could define their life through keeping it. They would rather have the righteousness associated with keeping the law then finding the righteousness and everlasting life of God through losing their life by eating His flesh and drinking His blood.

We can't follow the Lord and have his everlasting life revealed within by keeping the law, we must follow Christ by taking up the cross of eating His flesh and drinking His blood. This is how we find the resurrected and ascended life of Yeshua and how we know that we have passed from death onto life having a love for the brethren that comes forth out of death.
 

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What do you say then to those who confess Faith in Yahshua the Messiah and Keep the commandments of Yahvah God?

What if through eating and drinking they receive the Holy Spirit that leads them on the path of righteousness?





Matthew 10


26Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. 28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
What do you say?

That those who know they can not keep the Commandments of Yahvah God are wise?

Do they know the Creator is asking something of his creation that they can not do?

Or is it that the Creator is offering a New Spirit that guides and comforts his creation to Worship in Spirit and Truth?

Is this not what we receive through Faith in Yahshua the Messiah?

Are we not purged from sin into servants of the Most High?

Are you really with so much authority to speak against those that confess Faith in Yahshua the Messiah and Keep the Commandments of Yahvah God?

Those people were carnal minded and would of thought Yahshua the Messiah wanted them to eat him literally.


Which is more Biblical ?
 

loveme1

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Now we see what he meant, but being in that crowd would we not have considered he meant to literally eat him?
 
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I wonder if you are missing Red's point.
We can define ourselves by the terms of the old covenant, which brought death to man,
or we can define ourselves by the terms of the new covenant, Jesus, which brings life.

But we cannot do both.
Yes, we must obey God!
Yes, this we do in His power.
But we do what is the law of Christ, not of Moses.
 

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I wonder if you are missing Red's point.
We can define ourselves by the terms of the old covenant, which brought death to man,
or we can define ourselves by the terms of the new covenant, Jesus, which brings life.

But we cannot do both.
Yes, we must obey God!
Yes, this we do in His power.
But we do what is the law of Christ, not of Moses.

Then define the law of the Messiah?
 
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Now we see what he meant, but being in that crowd would we not have considered he meant to literally eat him?
Not if we had open minds, and were seeking truth. Jesus tried to show them. they kept insisting he meant something else because they were looking for the sign, not the savior.

Jesus often used terms or saying which may offend people to weed out the true believers from the people who were just looking for signs. and were not open to what he came to give.

The jews rejected Jesus because they did not see him for who he was, they saw him for who they wanted him to be, and he refused to be that person. he even told them, you have seen, yet you still do not believe. He hung out with sinners, He did not judge them, He judged the righteous people. why is this?

I would say many of the same righteous, law abiding churches today would crucify Christ also. because he would tell them what he told Nicodemus, Being good and following the law is not enough, You are still guilty and still deserving of eternal death. One must be born again, By faith in him,And as Jesus told then in John 6. Do this you will;

never hunger or thirst
Never die, and have eternal life
Be raised on the last day.

Peter Got it. He did not understand it, But he got it. "You have the words of eternal life"
 

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Not if we had open minds, and were seeking truth. Jesus tried to show them. they kept insisting he meant something else because they were looking for the sign, not the savior.

Jesus often used terms or saying which may offend people to weed out the true believers from the people who were just looking for signs. and were not open to what he came to give.

The jews rejected Jesus because they did not see him for who he was, they saw him for who they wanted him to be, and he refused to be that person. he even told them, you have seen, yet you still do not believe. He hung out with sinners, He did not judge them, He judged the righteous people. why is this?

I would say many of the same righteous, law abiding churches today would crucify Christ also. because he would tell them what he told Nicodemus, Being good and following the law is not enough, You are still guilty and still deserving of eternal death. One must be born again, By faith in him,And as Jesus told then in John 6. Do this you will;

never hunger or thirst
Never die, and have eternal life
Be raised on the last day.

Peter Got it. He did not understand it, But he got it. "You have the words of eternal life"

Which church show their Faith in Yahshua the Messiah?
 

loveme1

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You say that one must be born again which is certainly true.

what are we born again for?

What is the Holy Spirit given to us for?
 
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Obviously I would say it was because He meant it literally and they were not prepared to accept that.
 

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Obviously I would say it was because He meant it literally and they were not prepared to accept that.
eating a piece of bread and taking a sip of wine is not eating him literally either..
 
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Because bread is to do with teaching, and teaching is supposed to be not of the flesh. It 'gives life' in a way that flesh cant. For things of the flesh are wrongs.

So to say 'the bread (teaching) by which you will have life, is my flesh' was confusing and contradictory to the disciples knowledge.

Jesus said 'the things of the flesh profit nothing' so this also was a seeming contradiction.

But the God of love gave His son's flesh as sacrifice for the sin of men, so that we may have life. That is the bread.

It was always a teaching, but in the literal sense; Jesus did actually give up His flesh for men.
 
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eating a piece of bread and taking a sip of wine is not eating him literally either..
Why attack a man for being Catholic?

It is SantiSubito's intent when he eats the bread and drinks the wine that is important.

It is to remember that it is by the bread (Jesus teaching) that we have true life, and through his flesh that this was accomplished.

It is symbolic.

And also a way for disciples to understand easier.

If we EAT (take in) Jesus teaching and believe that men's sins are paid for by Jesus flesh, then we can inherit God's Kingdom. One of humility.

'I eat this bread as a symbol of the bread Jesus gave us to eat for life'. I drink this wine as a symbol of Jesus' sacrifice, the payment for sin.

It was also said in olden days that wine gives the truth, because none who drink it can lie.

There is no greater love than for a man to give his life for his brother. And in this, Jesus did not lie.
 
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eating a piece of bread and taking a sip of wine is not eating him literally either..
I would once again say it is, since they are His Body and Blood. Say what you will but this is one case where we can't possibly be accused of not taking the "plain meaning of Scripture".
 

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i have not attacked him, i said that he was not literally eating Yahshua the Messiah either.

He part takes in a symbolic act.
 
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Also think of this; On earth, we have the ability to sin. The thoughts of sin. Even believers do.

So in heaven, how will believers minds be free of that sin? Part of them shall have to die in order for them to be truly inherent of the 'kingdom of God'.

So, then tell me, who can be sinless on their own, believer or unbeliever?

So then my brother is more than simply what doctrine his mind allows him to comprehend.
 
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To die for one's brother is the greatest of things.

Shall I die for myself? then what have I accomplished but death?? ...........
 

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I would once again say it is, since they are His Body and Blood. Say what you will but this is one case where we can't possibly be accused of not taking the "plain meaning of Scripture".
This is not about the symbolic act of the catholic church.. you came in.

We are talking about people mistaking Yahshua the Messiah's words to mean he wanted them to eat him literally..
 
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This is not about the symbolic act of the catholic church.. you came in.

We are talking about people mistaking Yahshua the Messiah's words to mean he wanted them to eat him literally..
Who said Santi beleives we are to eat him literally?

If I write on a piece of paper what I am to know, and then eat that piece of paper, and it serves me to REMEMBER what is on it, then who can say I am wrong for doing that?
 

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Who said Santi beleives we are to eat him literally?

If I write on a piece of paper what I am to know, and then eat that piece of paper, and it serves me to REMEMBER what is on it, then who can say I am wrong for doing that?

I never said he did!

He partakes in a symbolic act.