Christmas is Indeed of Pagan Origin

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servantotehmosthigh

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Christians we need to wake up!


The "so-called holy days that are celebrated today are of pagan origin. This notion of Christians beginning to celebrate these holidays started after Constantine made a decree in the council of Nicea in 325 AD to infiltrate the church. Early sect Christians before Constantine did not reverence any of these holidays. For example, in Jeremiah 10 warns about the customs of the heathen (gentiles ) who were pagans.
Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.




People were celebrating this holyday originally reverencing Semiramis and Nimrod before Christ came to the scene. Also there is no biblical proof hat Christ was born on December 25. In Luke the 2nd chapter perhaps gives us clues to when Christ was born.

And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.
7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.


Around the time that Mary was about the give birth to Chirst, Caesar had sent a decree to taxed the world. During that time people were being taxed before the harvest in order for estimate a good estimate of much much was being taxed. Also another key note explains how shepherds had watched over their flock. Now common senses shows us that this was not during the winter time for their would be great irsk of people losing their flock due to cold weather.
These scriptures are in fact implying is that there is no biblical or historical record that could indicate Christ being born on December 25 or around the winter time for that matter. Christmas is in fact a pagan holiday that was compromised in modern Christianity post Constantine. The term Christmas means Christ's mass = Christ Death which contradicts the "reason for the season".
 
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Welcome, servant. There must be 5 threads going about this right now. I think most of us know Jesus was born right around Feast of Tabernacles, 4BC, and the evidence for it. Dec. 25 is just the early church trying to do 2 Cor. 10:5 and "bring every thought into captivity for Christ". If we could only get back to what Christmas used to be when I was young; at least it made people acknowledge Jesus one day a year.
 
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Thank you for responding to my post, you are correct that Christ may have been born around 4BC which also implies that were are in not the correct time we are living in today.

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. Daniel 7:25

Also new moon = new month (strong concordance) New moon= Hebrew: chodesh 2318 the new moon; by implication, a month:--month(-ly), new moon.


By spreading the true gospel as Christ had done; we are acknowledging Christ everyday and by follwing the statutes and commandments that were never done away with, we are showing obedience to our father.

Also there are holy days explained in the bible that we should celebrate which are not taught in the masses.

ie;

Passover, Pentecost, Purim, Feast of Dedication, Feast of Tabernacles, Day of Atonement, Blowing of Trumpets
 
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I am awake. But your nonsense is making we want to take a nap. These JV, SDA, etc... types are all the same: wrong and boring.
 
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I'm a little tired of the "pagan" attachment everytime we come to Easter or Christmas. Until I became a Christian believer, everything I did was pagan. But that does not mean that I cannot celebrate the important times of my faith now. Old things are passed away and behold all things are become new. The miracle of Christ's birth is not a pagan anything. There is no attachment to paganism which is heathenism. I celebrate His birth.. His coming to earth to shed His blood and die on the cross to save me from my sin. I don't celebrate or worship the tree or the lights. I worship Him in my celebration of Christmas. If you can find any of my celebration of his birth a pagan tradition, then alert me, in love, and we'll discuss it.

I believe the greater concern for "some" believers should be.. "how many true believers have I accused of being in sin because they have a lit up tree in their home?" Accusing believers is a serious situation, not at all pleasing to God, our only true judge. If your personal conviction is to have nothing to do with certain elements of Christian celebrations, then adhere to your own convictions and QUIETLY pray for those that you believe are in error.

And by the way, I may really upset the literalists and celebrate Jesus birth on June 6 next year :)
 
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Whats interesting to me is, as close as the disciples were to Jesus, not once did the bible show any credence to the celebration of His birthday. But i what I can say is everything that is important to God, He makes clear to us. He also advised that we not learn the way of the heathen and then bring it before Him. God sets the standard for worship. Its not what we think is OK; its what He said is the way..
 
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I am awake. But your nonsense is making we want to take a nap. These JV, SDA, etc... types are all the same: wrong and boring.

May the Most High bless you for being awake. However, I never stated that I was from SDA, JW or any such denomination which in fact both and many others were intended to separate the belief systems from coming to the true living GOD. Has anyone even ask themselves if people believe in the same GOD , then why are there so many denominations? If every one had the same belief system, there would be no barriers between nations worshipping, in which you have blacks in one church in white in another or a Chinese Chrsitain church. The fact of the matter is that because Satan felt that he could not destroy a "true follower of Christ, in which many followers of Christ were being killed in his name and were willing to sacrifice themselves to get to the kingdom, he used the nations to infiltrate the church, by imposing laws and doctrines that contradicted the teaching of Christ and Christ warned us: Matt 24:4-5

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Thus, prophets, so-called ministers of Christ would be professing his name and in the same voice, would be preaching contradictions to Christ's teaching. Does this sound familiar?

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt 24;14


So if you consider that by me doing my father's will in putting out the truth backed by history and scripture to be nonsense, then you result will be greatly deceived. 2 Thessalonians 2 :10
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness
 
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Christmas is not pagan, santa claus is token from St.Nicolas. who gave children toys. no complicated. As the Holy Roman Catholic Church teaches, and that church was started by the lord himself.
 
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Oh gee, ANOTHER pagan Christmas thread. The other 10 in the past month haven't gotten old already.
 
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People were celebrating this holyday originally reverencing Semiramis and Nimrod before Christ came to the scene. Also there is no biblical proof hat Christ was born on December 25.
December 25 was also supposed to be set aside for the Iranian god of light...but, so what?

Who assigns this date to any of them besides Jesus?!

December 25th was assigned to Jesus to eradicate the pagan deities of the past...and guess what...it did!

Even Stephen Hawking understands this much...

 
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I'm a little tired of the "pagan" attachment everytime we come to Easter or Christmas. Until I became a Christian believer, everything I did was pagan. But that does not mean that I cannot celebrate the important times of my faith now. Old things are passed away and behold all things are become new. The miracle of Christ's birth is not a pagan anything. There is no attachment to paganism which is heathenism. I celebrate His birth.. His coming to earth to shed His blood and die on the cross to save me from my sin. I don't celebrate or worship the tree or the lights. I worship Him in my celebration of Christmas. If you can find any of my celebration of his birth a pagan tradition, then alert me, in love, and we'll discuss it.

I believe the greater concern for "some" believers should be.. "how many true believers have I accused of being in sin because they have a lit up tree in their home?" Accusing believers is a serious situation, not at all pleasing to God, our only true judge. If your personal conviction is to have nothing to do with certain elements of Christian celebrations, then adhere to your own convictions and QUIETLY pray for those that you believe are in error.

And by the way, I may really upset the literalists and celebrate Jesus birth on June 6 next year :)

First and for most I am not accusing true believers of Christ. As a true follower of Christ I intend only to spread the true gospel of Christ that he warned his followers against: Matthew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


4 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


A true believer does not just means of acknowledging the existence and role of Christ, but by following his ways which brought them closer to the father. People do not realize that when Christ on the scene, he didn't come to just heal people and perform miracles, but his role was to bring the Jews first, then the Gentiles in this truth. His main focus was to bring people back to the father. Also this truth that he was bringing was against the governmental mindset which is still enforcing today. At the time of Augustus Caesar who was ordained king around the time of Christ, Christ's teaching was imposing a threat to the Roman governmental structure and therefore it was either Christ or Caesar. So many people may not adhere to this truth because many still impose their own philosophies over what the Most High says : Colossian 2:8

8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.




I am glad you brought up the scripture in Proverbs:

5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.


This is a precept to the former:



What I am trying to bring here is that if one understand something is contradicting the truth, why is the reason to still follow it unless one is imposing there own understandings or philosophies of what is true. Now in the bible there they reverence many True holy days being celebrated, but there is no biblical proof of Christ's day of birth being on December25 or even around the season of when he was born. if you didn't know a person's birthday, would you then just pick a day which has no proof ? Then that would be relying on your own philosophy. The question is Whose birthday was really being reverenced before Christ before he was born? Read Jeremiah 10 again and and see if Christmas which means Christ's+mass= Death of Christ not his birth is reflected to heathenistic customs that is attached to this day. Rev 12:9



And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.



Satan has deceived the whole world in many ways you wouldn't even imagine and now it 's the time to wake up out of our sleep and stand true in Christ who will soon rule in this Earth forever.
 
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I figured you'd be along to "bless" us with more of your blathering nonsense. You've given me a good idea for a suggestion to CC. We should be able to add a thread to our ignore feature. Lol.

blah blah blah I hate the holidays and everyone else will as well if I have anything to say about it blah blah blah
 
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Christians we need to wake up!


The "so-called holy days that are celebrated today are of pagan origin. This notion of Christians beginning to celebrate these holidays started after Constantine made a decree in the council of Nicea in 325 AD to infiltrate the church. Early sect Christians before Constantine did not reverence any of these holidays. For example, in Jeremiah 10 warns about the customs of the heathen (gentiles ) who were pagans.
Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.




People were celebrating this holyday originally reverencing Semiramis and Nimrod before Christ came to the scene. Also there is no biblical proof hat Christ was born on December 25. In Luke the 2nd chapter perhaps gives us clues to when Christ was born.

And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.
4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:)
5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.
7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
8 And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
9 And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.


Around the time that Mary was about the give birth to Chirst, Caesar had sent a decree to taxed the world. During that time people were being taxed before the harvest in order for estimate a good estimate of much much was being taxed. Also another key note explains how shepherds had watched over their flock. Now common senses shows us that this was not during the winter time for their would be great irsk of people losing their flock due to cold weather.
These scriptures are in fact implying is that there is no biblical or historical record that could indicate Christ being born on December 25 or around the winter time for that matter. Christmas is in fact a pagan holiday that was compromised in modern Christianity post Constantine. The term Christmas means Christ's mass = Christ Death which contradicts the "reason for the season".
these are typical urban legends about christmas...all of them are nonsense...

the passage from jeremiah is about making an asherah idol...which had no resemblance to a christmas tree...

there is -zero- evidence that there was ever a person named 'semiramis' associated with nimrod...not in the bible or in -any- historical record...

the kind of decree augustus issued was -not- a typical annual taxation...it was a decree for a special census and tax that did not take place regularly...so it cannot just be linked to the harvest...regular taxes on harvests were done by herod without the emperor's decree...

also some shepherds actually -are- known to have kept their flocks in the fields all through the winter...especially shepherds in the areas close to towns where they could bring their sheep into town for shelter within a few hours if necessary... additionally there were special flocks of sheep raised for temple sacrifices that were kept in the fields year round...

finally there -is- one calculation that gives a date in late december for jesus' birth...it is based on the biblical mention of zechariah's priestly division combined with josephus' mention of a specific priestly division serving on a date that has been historically established... the calculation is not absolutely certain but it is at least as likely as the similar calculations that put jesus' birth during the feast of tabernacles...
 
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Christmas is not pagan, santa claus is token from St.Nicolas. who gave children toys. no complicated. As the Holy Roman Catholic Church teaches, and that church was started by the lord himself.

Do you have any historical or biblical evidence that you claim is true? Santa Claus ha nothing to do with Christ, in fact Santa Claus was originally taken form the Norse god Odin. Also Christ did not establish a church which the Roman's his disciples has established the seven churches spoken of in the book of Revelation. Christ was crucified by the Romans in which they were responsible for taken down Jerusalem in 70AD which no one teaching about. Answer this; Why would the Romans who crucified Christ and his disciples and massacred millions of Jews in 70AD in which they also stole all the historical records and gold from Solomon's temple till this day NOW have the same respect to teach the TRUE gospel. Do you know that every where there is a major holocaust (genocide) in world, There are many Catholic missionaries imposing thier belief system. They have done this to the Native Americans, Indigenous tribes in Africa, South America, And they tried Asia but they did had to be clever with them so they had their own introduce Taoism and another religion which is similiar to their doctrine. This also happened in Europe, many were threatened to be killed if they did not covert same as Islam

Satan has used religion as a tool for many reasons
1, Infiltrate the true doctrine which will separate the people who now have different beliefs
2. Have you confused about the true gospel which will cause many into not believing

We have to look into this Bible because the truth is in there and stop believing what man says. PSalms 118;8
8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.


Isa 34:16

16Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.




Jer 16:19 .O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
 
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I think that satan is doing just what he intended. No Christ was not born on Dec 25, No we don't celebrate a tree and lights and what not but how many peoples minds are on Jesus right now? The whole world. I met someone some years ago and he was 26 years old and said in testimony that he had never heard of This Jesus. He went to jail and a christian pastor started talking to him and he started weekly meetings at the jail because he was so lost. Once he understood Jesus then things in his life started to change for the better. Yes I believe that there still can be people out there who don't know or understand full the Godhead and other things about the bible and all that. But when the rubber hits the road, EVERY year at this time of year and Easter people all over the world are talking about Jesus.
I agree with one of the others on here that bickering about who's serving God right is a judgement call. I celebrate because I truly believe that This Jesus was the one who gave His life for me. I was raised a Jehovah's Witness so there are many things I never read or understood until I got in My secret closet with God and ask Him to show me the way the truth and the light. When I read that no matter what we do, do it out of love, I don't understand why Christmas has to be about anything but Love and remembering what Jesus didn't have to do, but He did it anyway. We need to stop judging. Yes teach so a person knows the facts but in this new day what somethings use to mean don't even have the same meaning.
Brotherly love is what we should always pass on. Even a selfish person changes at Christmas time. And that can be very good for the soul. Why not make what the enemy has for our bad for our good ? That's what God does.
 
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these are typical urban legends about christmas...all of them are nonsense...

the passage from jeremiah is about making an asherah idol...which had no resemblance to a christmas tree...

there is -zero- evidence that there was ever a person named 'semiramis' associated with nimrod...not in the bible or in -any- historical record...

the kind of decree augustus issued was -not- a typical annual taxation...it was a decree for a special census and tax that did not take place regularly...so it cannot just be linked to the harvest...regular taxes on harvests were done by herod without the emperor's decree...

also some shepherds actually -are- known to have kept their flocks in the fields all through the winter...especially shepherds in the areas close to towns where they could bring their sheep into town for shelter within a few hours if necessary... additionally there were special flocks of sheep raised for temple sacrifices that were kept in the fields year round...

finally there -is- one calculation that gives a date in late december for jesus' birth...it is based on the biblical mention of zechariah's priestly division combined with josephus' mention of a specific priestly division serving on a date that has been historically established... the calculation is not absolutely certain but it is at least as likely as the similar calculations that put jesus' birth during the feast of tabernacles...

Thank you for responding: Indeed you have opened a huge can of worms here. The reason so I will explain
1. Is there any biblical proof that Asherah was referred to the pagan custom described to in Jeremiah? let's see. Asherah was considered the "Queen mother of Heaven." Interestingly each empire, Egypt, Greece, Assyrian, Rome, Persia also had a goddess that were the queen mother of heaven.

Define Queen Mother of Heaven: Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses in the ancient Mediterranean and Near East, in particular Anat, Isis, Innana, Astarte, Hera and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). Elsewhere, Nordic Frigg also bore this title. In Greco-Roman times Hera, and her Roman aspect Juno bore this title. Forms and content of worship varied. The title Queen of Heaven is used by Catholics and Orthodox Christians for Mary. wiki.org

Also Hislops "Two Babylons reflects this by explaining that the story of these goddesses are similar to the story of Semiramis, Nimrod and Tammuz All these goddesses were proclaimed to have some type of virgin birth in which the mother and child are being reverenced. So really December was proclaimed the day in which many pagans celbrated the birth of their deities

if you time read:
http://parkviewgospelhall.com/Articles/Pilgrims Progress/PDF Library/Hislop_TheTwoBabylons.pdf


Now, you said Christ may have been born around the feast of tabernacles let's examine:

Lev 23:24
34 Speak unto the children of Israel, fourteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.

In order to know what was the first month in order to know the 7th month we have to go back a scripture.
Lev 23:5
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.


When the passover is celebrated we are literally in our first month, thus implies times were changed:
Dan 7:25
25And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.




So let's further examine:


In the book of Enoch chapter LxxII ; he explains the secrets of the luminaries. he explains the courses fo the sun rotation which signifies the seasons.

And in that fourth portal from which the sun rises in the first month are twelve window-openings, from which proceed a flame when they are opened in their season. 8. When the sun rises in the heaven, he comes forth through that fourth portal thirty mornings in succession, and sets accurately in the fourth portal in the west of the heaven. 9. And during this period the day becomes daily longer and the night nightly shorter to the thirtieth morning.

This happens during the vernal equinox when the days are longer thus, 3/20/2012 for this year.

What I am implying here through intense scripture is that if the first month (first fruits ) around then end of March then the seventh month would be around September if you have records showing that Christ was born around the fest of tabernacles, than that would contradict December ? That is a huge gap amongst seasons my question again is are there any biblical scripture surrounding Christ birth in December? If so please elaborate because if if he was born around the feast of tabernacles that would place us in September according to the Hebrew not Gregorian calender
 

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This happens during the vernal equinox when the days are longer thus, 3/20/2012 for this year.

What I am implying here through intense scripture is that if the first month (first fruits ) around then end of March then the seventh month would be around September if you have records showing that Christ was born around the fest of tabernacles, than that would contradict December ? That is a huge gap amongst seasons my question again is are there any biblical scripture surrounding Christ birth in December? If so please elaborate because if if he was born around the feast of tabernacles that would place us in September according to the Hebrew not Gregorian calender
conceived c. Dec 25, born c. Sept 29

preach Christ Crucified.

don't go sideways.
don't cause stumbling.

He is Lord of all.

Merry Christmas.
God Bless.
 
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