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A lot of times in Bible history we have to lean towards archeology to support historical information. The Epoch of Gilgamesh is about as early a writing as mankind knows of, which tells us again, of the magic baby system. Today the lesson is simply about self control, self denial, avoiding fornication and adultery and murder. Jesus was a magic baby who ended the system of the worship of magic babies, nailing Mithra/Emmanuel to a cross of his own doing.
I think it is proper inquisition to seek a tie to Nimrod and Tamuz but since a lot of evil has been done away with as a part of the Biblical purging of God's Footstool sometimes bible history turns to archeology and reference texts. Hebrew names of Biblical times have been changed to Greek then English. Transliterations of names are common over time. Behaviors or practices sometimes take on names, (e.g."Obama-Care") that might be passed on to others for a time ('the Bush tax cuts' Obama mentions) and in time, take on a new name when someone else comes along (one could imagine "Hillary-Care" , generically, health care and etc). I can't even trace or keep track of the Solstice practices and names around the world be it Santa or Pere Noel, Xmas or Sheng Dan and on and on.
The key to the issue here is the magic baby cult, making them a worldly god or a dead god or an outcast. The story of Jesus is one that many fight off to this day as well, many demanding that there was no Jesus. The idea remains though in the hearts and minds of many, of the teachings written in a new covenant document paid for again and again with blood for the natural law righteousness of self denial, self control, love of others as self, putting off fornication, idolatry, adultery, murder and taking on the precepts of the system of The WAY.
(sorry if the above sounds like a cop out, it sort of is, as I am a bit tired right now).
When you read the letters that we still have written after the Bar Kokhba revolt in about 139, after the gentiles became rulers of the Christian Church, you can understand why and how we have Christmas.
During that time the Jews were nearly wiped out, and the ones who were left had to scatter. The gentiles became church leaders and they spoke against the Jews, so within 300 years Judaism was considered a cult that needed to be disposed of. Getting rid of their holidays and day of Sabbath was part of the process. The anti-Semitism got so bad that later there was a movement to eliminate most of the Old Testament from the bible.
To replace these they Christianized pagan days. These people were converted pagans, it is what they knew.
The question is not if Christmas is bad, but did they have a right to do this? What should we do about it now? What does God think of our Christmas? Paul said it wasn’t the days we celebrate that is important' Scripture gives us certain times and days to celebrate. Can we substitute manmade days for these? How about adding ours to the God suggested ones? The Jews said you HAD to obey their days, Paul said you did NOT have to obey their days. We need days of celebration, what would God have us do about it?
During that time the Jews were nearly wiped out, and the ones who were left had to scatter. The gentiles became church leaders and they spoke against the Jews, so within 300 years Judaism was considered a cult that needed to be disposed of. Getting rid of their holidays and day of Sabbath was part of the process. The anti-Semitism got so bad that later there was a movement to eliminate most of the Old Testament from the bible.
To replace these they Christianized pagan days. These people were converted pagans, it is what they knew.
The question is not if Christmas is bad, but did they have a right to do this? What should we do about it now? What does God think of our Christmas? Paul said it wasn’t the days we celebrate that is important' Scripture gives us certain times and days to celebrate. Can we substitute manmade days for these? How about adding ours to the God suggested ones? The Jews said you HAD to obey their days, Paul said you did NOT have to obey their days. We need days of celebration, what would God have us do about it?
S
The reason why I celebrate Purim because I am a Hebrew from the tribe of Judah who follows Christ and reverenced the stautes and commandments of the Most High in short... I am a pre-Contantine era Christian. Not only Hebrews but Gentiles who confess in the teachings of the True Christ should uphold the commandments and the Real holy days as contained.
I am glad you asked that because MANY people celebrate holidays that has nothing to do with scripture
Where does it say that Christ was born on December25 in KJV?
Where does it say that Christ was resurrected on a Sunday. If you count good Friday to Sunday that is TWO days Not the third day? REAL FACT: Christ rose on the Sabbath and I have scriptural proof?
Why is Easter on a different day every year? When we honor someone like Chirst it should ALWAYS fall on the Same exact Day?
Look at one time I used to celebrate these holidays in fact I Grew up in a Baptist Church and was greatly involved . But as I grew, I started to question things because things didn't make since so I did research and God eventually led me over time to the truth. Even after finding out the truth I had a choice like everyone else to make a decision and I decided not to bring my children up into the lies because I will be then held accountable. We are at a grim time in this world when every thing in the dark is coming to the light and its up to us to either remain ignorant.
Side note: About these holidays: here is some info about the origin of the Christmas influence; Saturnalia
Saturnalia
Saturnalia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Blessing
S
I see what you trying to do
lay with my words but thanks for your clevernessI am not stating that reverencing Christ is bad; not acknowledge him at all if that's what your trying to imply.
The simple fact that the holiday was and is still being reverenced of another god and is USING the birth of Christ in EXCUSE to reverenced THEM. SATAN has deceived us all I can not and should not keep saying this
There is no biblical proof that Christ was born on that day or season for that matter. If you did not know when was your friend's birthday is , would you pick a DATE to celebrate it? Then you would be placing your own philosophy to justify your actions= similar to Christmas or other things.
The issue I have is that Satan has infiltrated the church to the point where people are placing their own beliefs over what GOD says. I have put scripture after scripture but people don want to adhere and then turn around and claim they are interested just to test me. But Trust me the MOST High has my back when I am spitting out truth base on pure WISDOM not based on WHAT i BELIEVE. So everyone has a choice to look further into the information if they are willing to seek the truth or continue in ignorance because they decided to follow after the traditions of men.
Col 2:8
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
H
ok...God may not think much of the worlds view of christmas, but from what I have seen, true believers do not celebrate the 'worlds view of christmas' - we celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. My children know that we give gifts at christmas only because God showed us how to give gifts when He gave his Son to the world. And, my little ones also know that we 'make christmas' for other families who are in need because God made christmas for us (gave His Son) when we were in such desperate need of a Savior. I have the freedom, in Christ, to teach this to them - and, to be honest, it is a great teaching opportunity for them, and it is something that they can relate to. The bible does not say otherwise. Man says otherwise. It is legalism no matter which way you slice it.
H
I see what you trying to do lay with my words but thanks for your cleverness
I am not stating that reverencing Christ is bad; not acknowledge him at all if that's what your trying to imply.
lay with my words but thanks for your clevernessI am not stating that reverencing Christ is bad; not acknowledge him at all if that's what your trying to imply.
This is only true for the believer who celebrates the tree, lights, and presents on Christmas day.
do you know the exact day that Christ was born into the world?
the scripture that you have presented does not state that a christian view of christmas is wrong to celebrate. For the most part, you have pulled verses out of context to apply them where you want.
you are spitting out legalism at its finest...not based on wisdom. you also lack humility, my friend.
S
sorry...guess i should have specified what i meant...please quote a scripture that says that the idea of celebrating the Lord's birth is wrong. or bad. or whatever.
1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.
10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
Other than scripture I have no words for you because everyone has a choice to either accept scripture for what it is or places philosophies on what you intend it to be.
Isa34:16
16Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
2 thessalonian 2:10
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Col2:8
8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Pro 15:14
4 The heart of him that hath understanding seeketh knowledge: but the mouth of fools feedeth on foolishness.
1Cr 3:19
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
B
The evil spirits are really deceivers. They are using this season as an opportunity to caused division in the body and deceived Christians to be silent for the season. People attached so many things about the celebration of Christmas to discouraged and stop the true message in this occasion of telling the whole world about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ for the salvation of mankind. If you are a true Christian, will you be happy if the celebration of Christmas season will be made illegal? By then you will be lobbying to congress or initiate mass action in this move by the lawmakers. Be not deceived! Put more Christmas lights, play more Christmas songs, install more Christmas trees and send more Christmas cards and greeting even to the pagans and unbelievers to give honor to our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
E
sorry...guess i should have specified what i meant...please quote a scripture that says that the idea of celebrating the Lord's birth is wrong. or bad. or whatever.
to the rest. who cares if it came from pagan tradition, If God can use it (which he can and soes0 why should we argue about it. let God do his job, these silly arguments do not do anything to promote the work of God.
Face it. God is not going to give brownie points or massive rewards to people because they are out fighting against Christmas. if you think so. you have more issues than anyone here can help you with!