homosexuals, did God make them that way from birth?
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Exodus 4:10-11
10*And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
11*And the Lord said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the Lord?
Yes He did Cobus.
10*And Moses said unto the Lord, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
11*And the Lord said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the Lord?
Yes He did Cobus.
Then I apologize for anything said deemed offensive. Just my way of putting myself in your shoes so to speak. And to give people an alternative view besides treating it as though you really like women, you just want to act out some rebellious phase or something.
The point is that whatever makes me attracted to women, makes you such towards men. It's just who we are.
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It's not that it is necessarily offensive, it's just it doesn't settle well with me. It gave me the sense that I am mistake and no matter what anyone says that is the farthest from the truth. I know you didn't mean it that way, but that's the way it came off in my mind. I mean a woman trapped in a mans body would be a mistake, but I am not a woman trapped in a mans body I am a man in a mans body.
I do agree though that I have no idea why I am attracted to men, but I am.
I do agree though that I have no idea why I am attracted to men, but I am.
True marriage is a union of flesh and spirit (faith/wisdom). You feel this way because it was given to you. The two are one. And in what God has put together, let no man tear asunder.
This is the true story of sodom! We are to know NO MAN according to the flesh. The world once knew Jesus according to the flesh as well. Look what that got them! The people said He was a glutinous man and a winebibber! Jesus however knew no man by the flesh.
This is the true story of sodom! We are to know NO MAN according to the flesh. The world once knew Jesus according to the flesh as well. Look what that got them! The people said He was a glutinous man and a winebibber! Jesus however knew no man by the flesh.
Daniel 94:
please don't listen to this guy. he's not helping you, trust me.
remove yourself from all temptation.
find a way to do it.
leave it behind...move away.
when the temptation turns to lust (in your mind, or if you stumble), repent (turn, turn), confess it to the Lord and seek His help.
He forgives.
He will forgive sin...any sin.
but you have to want to be forgiven.
that means you have to believe what He has said.
it won't be easy, but you can do it with His help if you want to.
if you don't want to be forgiven, rescued from this sin, and other sins then that is your choice.
is sexual gratification outside God's order worth it? really?
Jesus' Sacrificial death paid for all sin - you can be forgiven....but you have to repent (change your mind and seek forgiveness)
if you want prayers, or really desire to hear the Gospel, just say so, Daniel.
have the courage. are you really truly happy in your lifestyle?
i wasn't, in my particular world of sin....salvation is everything. and Jesus will give you a new life.
one acceptable to God. and He will make intercession for you when you fail...but you must be born again.
the first step is admitting sin.
zone.
please don't listen to this guy. he's not helping you, trust me.
remove yourself from all temptation.
find a way to do it.
leave it behind...move away.
when the temptation turns to lust (in your mind, or if you stumble), repent (turn, turn), confess it to the Lord and seek His help.
He forgives.
He will forgive sin...any sin.
but you have to want to be forgiven.
that means you have to believe what He has said.
it won't be easy, but you can do it with His help if you want to.
if you don't want to be forgiven, rescued from this sin, and other sins then that is your choice.
is sexual gratification outside God's order worth it? really?
Jesus' Sacrificial death paid for all sin - you can be forgiven....but you have to repent (change your mind and seek forgiveness)
if you want prayers, or really desire to hear the Gospel, just say so, Daniel.
have the courage. are you really truly happy in your lifestyle?
i wasn't, in my particular world of sin....salvation is everything. and Jesus will give you a new life.
one acceptable to God. and He will make intercession for you when you fail...but you must be born again.
the first step is admitting sin.
zone.
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Daniel:
Romans 6
Dead to Sin, Alive to God
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6We know that our old selfa was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7For one who has died has been set freeb from sin. 8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Slaves to Righteousness
15What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,c you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
20For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6
Dead to Sin, Alive to God
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? 2By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? 3Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6We know that our old selfa was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7For one who has died has been set freeb from sin. 8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. 10For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. 11So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. 13Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. 14For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Slaves to Righteousness
15What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves,c you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification.
20For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. 21But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. 22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. 23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Jude
1Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,
To those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept bya Jesus Christ:
2Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.
The Sin and Doom of Godless Men
3Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4For certain men whose condemnation was written aboutb long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lordc delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
8In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. 9But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.
11Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
12These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
14Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
A Call to Persevere
17But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
20But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. 21Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
22Be merciful to those who doubt; 23snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
Doxology
24To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
1Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,
To those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept bya Jesus Christ:
2Mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.
The Sin and Doom of Godless Men
3Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. 4For certain men whose condemnation was written aboutb long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lordc delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
8In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. 9But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.
11Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
12These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead. 13They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
14Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
A Call to Persevere
17But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
20But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray in the Holy Spirit. 21Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
22Be merciful to those who doubt; 23snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.
Doxology
24To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— 25to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.
Proverbs 17:16
15*He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.
Romans 4:4-5
4*Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5*But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
15*He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.
Romans 4:4-5
4*Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5*But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
A few sum it all up better than most:
Who are you to judge another's servant? - This can also be applied to others who do not eat the same as we do.
'For none are good' - Can be applied to man's ever sinning nature, that 'all fall short'.
'He who says he is without sin is decieved'. - Even those who profess to be 'clean' are deceived. Not evil. Just deceived.
each counts a part of wickedness. So as Paul says 'He shall suffer loss, but himself will be saved. Albeit through the burning of the fire'.
The story of the adulterous woman portrays Jesus saving someone who judgers would consider 'unsaved'.
She was told 'go forth and sin no more'.
But everyone sins. so as Paul says 'I partake in the things which I KNOW I should not do'.
none are perfect. None are without sin. None can profess sinlessness. And all fall short. All will stand before God's judgement seat. None can boast above another.
So tell me, who GAINS entry into heaven?
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Who are you to judge another's servant? - This can also be applied to others who do not eat the same as we do.
'For none are good' - Can be applied to man's ever sinning nature, that 'all fall short'.
'He who says he is without sin is decieved'. - Even those who profess to be 'clean' are deceived. Not evil. Just deceived.
each counts a part of wickedness. So as Paul says 'He shall suffer loss, but himself will be saved. Albeit through the burning of the fire'.
The story of the adulterous woman portrays Jesus saving someone who judgers would consider 'unsaved'.
She was told 'go forth and sin no more'.
But everyone sins. so as Paul says 'I partake in the things which I KNOW I should not do'.
none are perfect. None are without sin. None can profess sinlessness. And all fall short. All will stand before God's judgement seat. None can boast above another.
So tell me, who GAINS entry into heaven?
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S
I am out of. My Biblical league. Here yet I have to say yes all have sinned & sin, some sins go up & can be seen as a puff of smoke can be visably seen, others hide their sins. Now what I beleave ( my two cents, if it matters) is what do you do with your sins ... confess them to God, repent & Turn away from your sins, or feel shame for your sins or do you, make excuses, & continue on in your sin, just because you can't seem to find a. Way not to stop repeating your sin... now who of these two which can stand before. God himself shameless, the one that confess,& prayed, striving for change with grace. Mercy. Blood of christ, & salvation, or the
one who only hopes & waits...relying on gods goodness to save him while not growing in fruitfulness. Well that is my dpiritualy young two cents... hope I have not offended or posted out of turn.
one who only hopes & waits...relying on gods goodness to save him while not growing in fruitfulness. Well that is my dpiritualy young two cents... hope I have not offended or posted out of turn.
ROTFLMHO.
like i said...your dialectic is boring and hollow.
"You also condemn the just by labeling them sinners like you're not."
unrepentant sodomites are the just?
and christians who admit they have sin but shouldn't...confess it and seek to stop it are the unjust?
ya...that fits with your philosophy.
find a single post where i've ever said i didn't have sin....oh ya!
that wasn't this game.
this game was it doesn't matter if we sin. everybody gets cleaned up in the lake of fire.
whatevah...haha
like i said...your dialectic is boring and hollow.
"You also condemn the just by labeling them sinners like you're not."
unrepentant sodomites are the just?
and christians who admit they have sin but shouldn't...confess it and seek to stop it are the unjust?
ya...that fits with your philosophy.
find a single post where i've ever said i didn't have sin....oh ya!
that wasn't this game.
this game was it doesn't matter if we sin. everybody gets cleaned up in the lake of fire.
whatevah...haha
Revelation 22:11-12
11*He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12*And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
This is a COMMANDMENT zone.
1 Corinthians 7:17-24
17*But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.
18*Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19*Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
20*Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called.
21*Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
22*For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
23*Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
24*Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
oh wow!
now i get it
"11*He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still"
means leave them alone so they can enjoy themselves in sinful revelry, and your christ will have them thrown into the eternal fire to be cleaned up!
i see!
tsk.....and here i thought Rev 22:11 matched this:
Matthew 13
The Parable of the Weeds
24He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weedsc among the wheat and went away. 26So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. 27And the servantsd of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
i'm so glad i finally absorbed your wisdom (not).
somebody wake me up if Mr. Universalist starts making sense.
now i get it
"11*He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still"
means leave them alone so they can enjoy themselves in sinful revelry, and your christ will have them thrown into the eternal fire to be cleaned up!
i see!
tsk.....and here i thought Rev 22:11 matched this:
Matthew 13
The Parable of the Weeds
24He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weedsc among the wheat and went away. 26So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. 27And the servantsd of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
i'm so glad i finally absorbed your wisdom (not).
somebody wake me up if Mr. Universalist starts making sense.
oh wow!
now i get it
"11*He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still"
means leave them alone so they can enjoy themselves in sinful revelry, and your christ will have them thrown into the eternal fire to be cleaned up!
i see!
tsk.....and here i thought Rev 22:11 matched this:
Matthew 13
The Parable of the Weeds
24He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weedsc among the wheat and went away. 26So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. 27And the servantsd of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
i'm so glad i finally absorbed your wisdom (not).
somebody wake me up if Mr. Universalist starts making sense.
now i get it
"11*He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still"
means leave them alone so they can enjoy themselves in sinful revelry, and your christ will have them thrown into the eternal fire to be cleaned up!
i see!
tsk.....and here i thought Rev 22:11 matched this:
Matthew 13
The Parable of the Weeds
24He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field, 25but while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weedsc among the wheat and went away. 26So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also. 27And the servantsd of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ So the servants said to him, ‘Then do you want us to go and gather them?’ 29But he said, ‘No, lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest, and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.’”
The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.” 37He answered, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels. 40Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, 42and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
i'm so glad i finally absorbed your wisdom (not).
somebody wake me up if Mr. Universalist starts making sense.
28*And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29*For whom he did foreknow (being us all ex. Jeremiah, pharaoh), he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.