Black lives do matter
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If you take the email at face value, you miss the underlying notion that it perpetuates that the US or society is better off without black people. Or that black people are inherently a problem.
It ignores the "why" behind the data
It ignores any positive contributions of blacks
It ignores every other race
It's so frustrating to me to see responses of reactions that take this at face value and leave it at that, a cold set of data and then only share concerns on whether that data is accurate, instead of reacting to the whole premise of the message...the email is sarcastically titled black lives matter and then immediately presents information to imply that our lives do not.
It's damned if you do/damned if you don't say anything as a black person when you see this garbage.
I have more to share, but I'm already late for work, so maybe later. I know you're just passing along what you received Willie, but the content of the email and some of the responses in this thread are incredibly disappointing to me.
It ignores the "why" behind the data
It ignores any positive contributions of blacks
It ignores every other race
It's so frustrating to me to see responses of reactions that take this at face value and leave it at that, a cold set of data and then only share concerns on whether that data is accurate, instead of reacting to the whole premise of the message...the email is sarcastically titled black lives matter and then immediately presents information to imply that our lives do not.
It's damned if you do/damned if you don't say anything as a black person when you see this garbage.
I have more to share, but I'm already late for work, so maybe later. I know you're just passing along what you received Willie, but the content of the email and some of the responses in this thread are incredibly disappointing to me.
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reading the thread, and not being American, (although I have my own 'racist' story or two...both anti-white) my only comment is "people are not being objective'
there is a big problem right there
I don't mean with the op...I mean in response to each other
I don't see anything personal here to take issue with...it's not about how people feel IMO
ok...just put tape over my mouth again
there is a big problem right there
I don't mean with the op...I mean in response to each other
I don't see anything personal here to take issue with...it's not about how people feel IMO
ok...just put tape over my mouth again
democrats would lose 76% of their voters
for this to be true - all white men or women, all jewish men or women, all hispanic men or women, all men or women of other races who vote democrat could only add up to 24% of the total votes democrats receive. In the last election, I believe the democrats got about 60 million votes. 76% of that would mean that 45,600,000 blacks voted democrat. If one believes the numbers posted on a web site I found with a quick search, the number of blacks who voted in the 2012 election was 1.7 million. Well short of 45 million plus.
African American Demographics, Population, Incomes, Veterans, Education, Voting
for this to be true - all white men or women, all jewish men or women, all hispanic men or women, all men or women of other races who vote democrat could only add up to 24% of the total votes democrats receive. In the last election, I believe the democrats got about 60 million votes. 76% of that would mean that 45,600,000 blacks voted democrat. If one believes the numbers posted on a web site I found with a quick search, the number of blacks who voted in the 2012 election was 1.7 million. Well short of 45 million plus.
African American Demographics, Population, Incomes, Veterans, Education, Voting
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Has anyone noticed a trend going on here? The younger the person, the more likely they are to believe the e-mail. I'm not blaming the teens. They are being programmed to believe whatever they're taught.
I am blaming the adults around them for not teaching them how to appraise what they're being taught objectively. And I'm blaming the adults who have since left school and never got around to thinking for themselves.
Look how many people just assumed the stats must be facts. And therefore went right into the "nothing we can do about it" mindset so well programmed into us.
There's only two ways people can take this:
1. The government must take care of it for us.
2. Nothing changes so let's just keep quiet and go about our lives and stay jaded.
Isn't that a recipe for why the government has to take care of us? Isn't that exactly what we were programmed to go with for several generations now? Isn't that why we're stuck with choosing The Donald or The Hill? To speak up is bigoted. To realize it is pure garbage is unAmerican. THERE ARE NEVER JUST TWO CHOICES! WHEN SOMEONE SETS YOU UP WITH ONLY TWO CHOICES, CHOOSE THE OBVIOUS -- THINK IT OUT FOR REAL CHOICES! BECAUSE THOSE TWO CHOICES AREN'T IT!
There is something to these stats, even when they are lies. When I was young, there was no disparage between the blacks and whites. Just about everyone had two parents, lived in a middle-class neighborhood, moms stayed home and took care of the household and kids, dads all worked for the same companies, we all were in the same classes, and yet now? The only difference between blacks and whites back then was where people lived. And that one should have been resolved by now.
I know what happened. LBJ told black people they were too dumb to help themselves, so, if they would be kind enough to give up on marriage, the government would take care of them. And too many have been believing that ever since. It's not that hard to figure out as long as we stop believing the propaganda.
I am blaming the adults around them for not teaching them how to appraise what they're being taught objectively. And I'm blaming the adults who have since left school and never got around to thinking for themselves.
Look how many people just assumed the stats must be facts. And therefore went right into the "nothing we can do about it" mindset so well programmed into us.
There's only two ways people can take this:
1. The government must take care of it for us.
2. Nothing changes so let's just keep quiet and go about our lives and stay jaded.
Isn't that a recipe for why the government has to take care of us? Isn't that exactly what we were programmed to go with for several generations now? Isn't that why we're stuck with choosing The Donald or The Hill? To speak up is bigoted. To realize it is pure garbage is unAmerican. THERE ARE NEVER JUST TWO CHOICES! WHEN SOMEONE SETS YOU UP WITH ONLY TWO CHOICES, CHOOSE THE OBVIOUS -- THINK IT OUT FOR REAL CHOICES! BECAUSE THOSE TWO CHOICES AREN'T IT!
There is something to these stats, even when they are lies. When I was young, there was no disparage between the blacks and whites. Just about everyone had two parents, lived in a middle-class neighborhood, moms stayed home and took care of the household and kids, dads all worked for the same companies, we all were in the same classes, and yet now? The only difference between blacks and whites back then was where people lived. And that one should have been resolved by now.
I know what happened. LBJ told black people they were too dumb to help themselves, so, if they would be kind enough to give up on marriage, the government would take care of them. And too many have been believing that ever since. It's not that hard to figure out as long as we stop believing the propaganda.
For as long as I can remember there has been racial divide in this country. I remember in the seventies I was in I think 3 re grade, one of my buddies at school was black. He and I and another girl used to play together all the time. We'd hold hands and just innocent stuff and then another girl said, my Parents wouldn't want me to hold hands with a black person. In my little brain I was just so confused. I asked her why and she said, I don't know. So she didn't know either. I went home and told my Mom and she said, I'm not sure honey. I don't think she wanted to break that innocence in me.
I grew up in the very white majority suburbs. Maybe a handful of other races at my school. My Dad was a jazz musician and he owned a dry cleaners in the city. I spent a lot of time with his musician friends of all races and I had to go to the dry cleaners a lot with my parents and had a lot of people of different races working for him at one time or another.
My kids go to a more diverse school then I did and I'm glad. We live in the city suburbs but we aren't the majority here and I think that's good too. I'm trying to teach my kids to understand that we are all Gods children and I know I'm not perfect. Im just babbling on here and I don't know what else to say, I'm sorry.
I grew up in the very white majority suburbs. Maybe a handful of other races at my school. My Dad was a jazz musician and he owned a dry cleaners in the city. I spent a lot of time with his musician friends of all races and I had to go to the dry cleaners a lot with my parents and had a lot of people of different races working for him at one time or another.
My kids go to a more diverse school then I did and I'm glad. We live in the city suburbs but we aren't the majority here and I think that's good too. I'm trying to teach my kids to understand that we are all Gods children and I know I'm not perfect. Im just babbling on here and I don't know what else to say, I'm sorry.
Anyone feeling like they are better than someone else is just plain wrong and anyone can be discriminated against. We are all equal in God's eyes it is a world of sin that has us feeling superior over one another. We are all sinners, we all need a Savior, we all bleed red and truth is we need each other to get through this world of sin. Lift each other up and learn to love one another.
It isn't just skin color that has issues, where you live, where you went to school, smart or dumb, rich or poor, my job is better than your job, I come from a better country than you do, on and on and on the differences should be celebrated rather than causing a divide because the body of Christ need each other I mean really if we were all Doctors who would take out the trash? Piles of it everywhere cause I'm too good to take it where it needs to go...
I love the fact that we are different that we come from different places that we can do different things. God loves variety and you see it everywhere. We start having problems when we separate rather than come together. Yes, Black lives matter but the truth is All Lives Matter All The Time... We are each unique and special people that God created with a purpose to serve each other and work together.
It isn't just skin color that has issues, where you live, where you went to school, smart or dumb, rich or poor, my job is better than your job, I come from a better country than you do, on and on and on the differences should be celebrated rather than causing a divide because the body of Christ need each other I mean really if we were all Doctors who would take out the trash? Piles of it everywhere cause I'm too good to take it where it needs to go...
I love the fact that we are different that we come from different places that we can do different things. God loves variety and you see it everywhere. We start having problems when we separate rather than come together. Yes, Black lives matter but the truth is All Lives Matter All The Time... We are each unique and special people that God created with a purpose to serve each other and work together.
Yes, that was one of the reasons I posted this. We talk about race all the time on here. But, in truth, we never really "discuss" it.
This was a real e-mail. One of many we receive from people who know we are not liberal.(Democrat) Especially from this gal. And, although it seems to, it should come as no surprise to Blacks that Whites have this sort of interaction rather frequently. The same as many Blacks do when Whites aren't around.
Yes, I was raised by a very good Black woman. But I see very few like Hattie anymore. I know they must still be around somewhere, but they seem to want people such as Al and Jessie and the BLM and other haters to represent them in the eyes of Whites. And this e-mail, and general opinions just like it, are the result of that representation.
My wife worked for the last 8 years of her career, as a supervisor of what was, basically, the Black segment of her company's clientele. But, other than the grandmothers who were raising the majority of the children, she has told me that, for the most part, these stereotypes are based on a very real and visible foundation. She said that most of the tutors she had in that area were White, because many of her Black tutors asked to be assigned to White neighborhoods. They were eager to tutor Black kids, but just didn't want to do so in Black neighborhoods... the very areas in which they, themselves, lived.
This kind of thinking HAS to say something to the rest of us, whether Black or White.
We see, all the time, Black people on TV complaining about the crime and drugs in their very own neighborhoods. Complaining the cops don't do anything. Yet, they not only refuse to assist the police in cleaning up their areas, but if an officer tries to arrest a punk who has just robbed one of them in their own store, what happens? That lone cop is on his own.
To bring the rubber to the road and be bitterly frank and honest, Whites have very little of that. Now, won't all people here agree with that statement... whether you are Black or White?
Why? Because we do not let some jackass community activists dictate our lives. And we sure don't let the gangs and druggies have free reign of our neighborhoods. In my own neighborhood, we have run out several people who attempted to set up shop like that here. If something looks suspicious in this neighborhood, within a matter of minutes, a patrol car is in the area. Why? Because several of us have called........ AND, we are standing in the street, waiting for the car, and clearly explaining what we saw. The officer even have to keep us from going down to that house with them.
It honestly does seem all too clear to mot Whites that almost no Blacks will never do that. Please tell me how White people are supposed to think of Blacks, in general, if this is the kind of thing we see reported over and over again on TV when even Black officers are interviewed?
I don't agree with crap like this teacher friend of ours sends out all the time........... but what is the Black community doing to help her, and others like her, to believe any other way? She really does see Blacks as "the problem" because you honestly seem to be fine with the massive representation you have. The representation Blacks are applauding.
Go online, and watch some of the videos of Sherriff David Clark being interviewed by black reporters. Go ahead and do it! I hope you are as shocked as I was. The man is all but shamed and ridiculed by his own people for his ideas that decent Black citizens need to take some serious responsibility for letting thugs run their neighborhoods, while, in effect, saying nothing.
So, even though some of us know many good Black people, I have to admit that I cannot honestly say to my White friends that they are wrong in what they think they see. Because that seems to be what most Blacks are perfectly content to have the world see of their community.
Do Blacks expect Whites to be the ones to get upset and do something about that? It wasn't Blacks who all but crushed the KKK. It was Whites. And we still do it whenever those filthy people rear what's left of their ugly heads. Are Blacks ever going to do the same with their own hate organizations? Or are they going to let them further poison White minds that are already well on their way to believing everything sold to them?
Did I upset some people here by passing on that racist e-mail? Well good. Because we all need to wake up and recognize that there is a strong undercurrent of that sort of thing going on everyday in both societies. And it won't stop until 95% of what people are constantly told about the other race, changes. And that takes work. Hard work, and risk.
Can a group meeting with officials, insisting on retaining the name, BLM, that has quickly become the banner of hatred against police ever do anything good? Not likely. It will just be some lip-service exchanged by a few well-intended people in a hidden room at a meeting hall if individual citizens don't choose to own their own streets by actually acting.
OK, go ahead and tell me where I am wrong, and all that I don't understand.
This was a real e-mail. One of many we receive from people who know we are not liberal.(Democrat) Especially from this gal. And, although it seems to, it should come as no surprise to Blacks that Whites have this sort of interaction rather frequently. The same as many Blacks do when Whites aren't around.
Yes, I was raised by a very good Black woman. But I see very few like Hattie anymore. I know they must still be around somewhere, but they seem to want people such as Al and Jessie and the BLM and other haters to represent them in the eyes of Whites. And this e-mail, and general opinions just like it, are the result of that representation.
My wife worked for the last 8 years of her career, as a supervisor of what was, basically, the Black segment of her company's clientele. But, other than the grandmothers who were raising the majority of the children, she has told me that, for the most part, these stereotypes are based on a very real and visible foundation. She said that most of the tutors she had in that area were White, because many of her Black tutors asked to be assigned to White neighborhoods. They were eager to tutor Black kids, but just didn't want to do so in Black neighborhoods... the very areas in which they, themselves, lived.
This kind of thinking HAS to say something to the rest of us, whether Black or White.
We see, all the time, Black people on TV complaining about the crime and drugs in their very own neighborhoods. Complaining the cops don't do anything. Yet, they not only refuse to assist the police in cleaning up their areas, but if an officer tries to arrest a punk who has just robbed one of them in their own store, what happens? That lone cop is on his own.
To bring the rubber to the road and be bitterly frank and honest, Whites have very little of that. Now, won't all people here agree with that statement... whether you are Black or White?
Why? Because we do not let some jackass community activists dictate our lives. And we sure don't let the gangs and druggies have free reign of our neighborhoods. In my own neighborhood, we have run out several people who attempted to set up shop like that here. If something looks suspicious in this neighborhood, within a matter of minutes, a patrol car is in the area. Why? Because several of us have called........ AND, we are standing in the street, waiting for the car, and clearly explaining what we saw. The officer even have to keep us from going down to that house with them.
It honestly does seem all too clear to mot Whites that almost no Blacks will never do that. Please tell me how White people are supposed to think of Blacks, in general, if this is the kind of thing we see reported over and over again on TV when even Black officers are interviewed?
I don't agree with crap like this teacher friend of ours sends out all the time........... but what is the Black community doing to help her, and others like her, to believe any other way? She really does see Blacks as "the problem" because you honestly seem to be fine with the massive representation you have. The representation Blacks are applauding.
Go online, and watch some of the videos of Sherriff David Clark being interviewed by black reporters. Go ahead and do it! I hope you are as shocked as I was. The man is all but shamed and ridiculed by his own people for his ideas that decent Black citizens need to take some serious responsibility for letting thugs run their neighborhoods, while, in effect, saying nothing.
So, even though some of us know many good Black people, I have to admit that I cannot honestly say to my White friends that they are wrong in what they think they see. Because that seems to be what most Blacks are perfectly content to have the world see of their community.
Do Blacks expect Whites to be the ones to get upset and do something about that? It wasn't Blacks who all but crushed the KKK. It was Whites. And we still do it whenever those filthy people rear what's left of their ugly heads. Are Blacks ever going to do the same with their own hate organizations? Or are they going to let them further poison White minds that are already well on their way to believing everything sold to them?
Did I upset some people here by passing on that racist e-mail? Well good. Because we all need to wake up and recognize that there is a strong undercurrent of that sort of thing going on everyday in both societies. And it won't stop until 95% of what people are constantly told about the other race, changes. And that takes work. Hard work, and risk.
Can a group meeting with officials, insisting on retaining the name, BLM, that has quickly become the banner of hatred against police ever do anything good? Not likely. It will just be some lip-service exchanged by a few well-intended people in a hidden room at a meeting hall if individual citizens don't choose to own their own streets by actually acting.
OK, go ahead and tell me where I am wrong, and all that I don't understand.
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I had a friend in 5th grade at school. I kept inviting her over to play after school but she never came. I asked if I could go play with her at her house, but she couldn't have me over either. Then halfway through the school year she became erratic. She'd walk with me and yank my arm hard while yelling, "Stop hurting me." I yanked my arm away and yelled, "What's wrong with you?"
Then she'd taunt me and blame me for attacking her when I didn't even say or do anything. (I was too shocked and hurt to figure out what to do.) Every time she did that, at the end of it, she'd get loud just as I would yank away from her and pull away.
I really had no idea what to do about this, so I asked Mom. Mom, being a quiet and unassuming woman that she was, (I am very much my mother's daughter lol), told me the next time she attacked me to punch her in the nose.
Noses break easily and I have no idea how to punch. So, the next time she started we were in line by the classroom door ready to be dismissed. I backhanded her lightly on the nose (knowing it would hurt, but not break), just as our teacher looked our way. I was called into the Principal's office, and told the truth. "Mom told me to." lol
Mom helped start the Head Start program in our town. She was the girl scout leader, a cub scout den mother, and helped in the lunchroom when a cafeteria worker was out sick. She lost her position in Head Start because of that. I was not raised to think skin color meant something, so it never occurred to me that I was supposed to tell Mom my friend was black.
Then she'd taunt me and blame me for attacking her when I didn't even say or do anything. (I was too shocked and hurt to figure out what to do.) Every time she did that, at the end of it, she'd get loud just as I would yank away from her and pull away.
I really had no idea what to do about this, so I asked Mom. Mom, being a quiet and unassuming woman that she was, (I am very much my mother's daughter lol), told me the next time she attacked me to punch her in the nose.
Noses break easily and I have no idea how to punch. So, the next time she started we were in line by the classroom door ready to be dismissed. I backhanded her lightly on the nose (knowing it would hurt, but not break), just as our teacher looked our way. I was called into the Principal's office, and told the truth. "Mom told me to." lol
Mom helped start the Head Start program in our town. She was the girl scout leader, a cub scout den mother, and helped in the lunchroom when a cafeteria worker was out sick. She lost her position in Head Start because of that. I was not raised to think skin color meant something, so it never occurred to me that I was supposed to tell Mom my friend was black.
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The whole black/white thing is so laughable in a way...b/c unless you look like a sheet of printer paper or like paving Tar you are not technically white or black but just different shades of the same pigment molecule of melanin....different races have different amounts but they are all from that one molecule lol....
I can imagine some people who have issues with race will be the first to ask Adam/Eve what race they were when they were created lol.....but since we don't have earthly bodies in heaven I doubt there would be race, we may be just spirit beings like angels who have no known race at least not in the Bible
I can imagine some people who have issues with race will be the first to ask Adam/Eve what race they were when they were created lol.....but since we don't have earthly bodies in heaven I doubt there would be race, we may be just spirit beings like angels who have no known race at least not in the Bible
OK, we all, Black and White alike, know BLM is evil and out to cause division.
And, we all know this whole thing has nothing to do with the color of a person's skin, but rather what that difference hac\s come to be perceived of meaning.
This is exactly what I meant when I said we talk about "race" all the time, but we almost never really try to "discuss" it.
And, we all know this whole thing has nothing to do with the color of a person's skin, but rather what that difference hac\s come to be perceived of meaning.
This is exactly what I meant when I said we talk about "race" all the time, but we almost never really try to "discuss" it.
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