I have a question for any and all christians

Dom,


Q 1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.

A 1. The problem with credible scientific proof in regards to the existence of God is that God is a supernatural being that goes beyond anything science can prove. On top of that, many scientific minds don't believe in God; therefore don't put a tremendous amount of honest effort trying to prove His existence. I personally believe in a higher being because...something...had to create this world. The air, the trees, the way that our bodies work, childbirth...none of these things all work in unison by some total, random accident. Even if the "Big Bang" is what created life...something...had to create the the circumstances. Our world is not the result of some random accident.



Q 2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.


A 2. Like a lot of things in life; proof of anything can be a matter of perception. Many times people can see something that is right in front if them and still choose not to believe it. As an example...Earth is just close enough to the sun to where it warms us, but not burns us to a cinder; the earth is just far enough from the sun that we do not freeze in cold space. Earth is the perfect distance from the sun to sustain life. Some people can perceive that as the work of God, some can find some sort of scientific reasoning for it, some people can treat it as if it is some sort of accident. The proof of God's design is there...accessible to the public... but do people choose believe that or believe something else?





Q 3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.



A 3. Oh, that is an easy one...because we are human. By nature, humans, Christian or not, bend rules so that things a can be made easier, or more easily understood.

By nature, we are self-interested, and again, we all perceive things differently. Two people can read the same verse from the Bible, and walk away with a different meaning; react differently. If everyone followed what is in the Bible word for word, then we would all be exactly the same; but no two people are exactly the same.



Q 4. In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.



A 4. This is something that very much bothers me as well; for I have experienced the same.

Again, this really boils down to our flawed nature of humans; once people develop strong convictions about something...they feel that they are right, and everyone else is wrong...period. And because "Christians" believe that they are of higher morals and standards, that only makes matters worse.


I tried to answer your questions directly...don't know if it helps much.

And by the way...I agree with your statements on biscuit; total brainwashed preachiness void of logic. Not much help.

And by the way...I agree with your statements on biscuit; total brainwashed preachiness void of logic. Not much help

Ahhh!! "ain't that sweet, two atheists in agreement with each other."

God has been misrepresented a lot. Even by me at times. It takes faith to believe in God

Hebrews 11:6 (CEB)



[SUP]6 [/SUP]It’s impossible to please God without faith because the one who draws near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards people who try to find him.

Christians are sinful humans and sometimes we can play mean trying to prove a point rather than looking at someone that they just have a different opinion. I think most people are seeking out what the truth is even you otherwise you would have no questions. I am sorry for those who have been harsh to you and judgmental as we are not suppose to be that way. God will never force His will on you He gave you a free will to choose which path you will take. I can see that it would be hard when we are not representing God in the right light and all you see is condemnation and hell thrown at you.

The God that I serve is a God of Love and has done everything in His power to insure that you can be reunited with Him - He gave His own Son just for you.

John 3:16 & 17 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through Him might be saved.

God knows I get so frustrated because of the invisible factor and I want so many times to have face to face conversations with Him, but I would be destroyed in God's presence not because He would want to destroy me but sin and God's perfection can't be in the same place. He wants to be with us too and longs for that.

John 14:1-3Common English Bible (CEB)
The way, the truth, and the life

14 “Don’t be troubled. Trust in God. Trust also in me. [SUP]2 [/SUP]My Father’s house has room to spare. If that weren’t the case, would I have told you that I’m going to prepare a place for you? [SUP]3 [/SUP]When I go to prepare a place for you, I will return and take you to be with me so that where I am you will be too.

I know I probably haven't answered any of your questions, but I wanted to at least try to represent Gods Love to you. Blessings to you in your search.

Sweet indeed! But the problem is, this is not an atheist forum. I suggest they go to their own forum so they can agree with each other to their heart's content. If they have hearts anyway. If they do, how can they deny God?

Science attempts to prove God exists by omitting God and yet seeking to identify the very same thing in the parlance of their own field of research. They refer to it as, Big Bang, string theory, etc... But it is all God. God is our word for source, creator, origin, alpha.
With regard to Big Bang, which has been surpassed by another theory now, but it is the most popular term to refer to in a discussion of this sort, what caused those elements that are said to be source for all that exists in our realm of consciousness as galaxies, universes, planets, us, etc... to go bang? For there to have been a big bang there had to be something that was able to go bang.
Science seeks the face of God in theory, using other names, in the same way spiritual seekers seek the face of God in faith.

God isn't a thing to be proven is there, or over there, or behind that. God, scripture tells us God is omnipresent. Everywhere and in all things. Some call that animism. All is source, God, creator. Just as you exist as a creation of your parents union and you bear their genetics and that of the generations on both sides of the family that coalesce into your being-ness. So too is God present in all created things because "he" is the origin of all that is, was, or shall be.
When science looks for God, the scientist has but to look in the mirror for proof God exists. Because that scientist exists to become seeker, they are proof something that creates beyond the sperm and ovum created reality first so that that scientist could be here now.

Look in the mirror. There's proof of God. Watch a baby being born. There's proof of God. Feel the currents and power of the sea by taking yourself to the beach and going out and floating on your back on the surface of the water. There is the pulse of God and his power. We are cells in the body of God. All things are.
You want proof of God. Everywhere you look there is God.
[video=youtube;iY09gcmp6_A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY09gcmp6_A[/video]

The Bible doesn't say to obey it word for word. The new covenant for Christians evolved as the old testament promise of Messiah was realized in Christ Jesus. Christians are not Jews.
Video Link) Is The Bible Bogus?

Here's another video by Lee Strobel. No doubt you've heard people argue that Christianity is just an amalgam of pagan myths compiled together from various extrapolations, like the resurrection, the dying God, etc... so as to manufacture the Christian Jesus, or Messiah.
Not true. Though various atheist websites and others will very often feature discussions that profess it is.
[h=1]Lee Strobel-Did Christianity Steal It's Central Message From Other Religions [/h] Jesus said no one comes to the father except through him. There is only one way to eternal irrevocable salvation and eternal life. Jesus Christ.
That truth and covenant teaching brought to the world first by God himself is a judgement in itself. As is the commandment of God to have no other God's before him, as found in the old testament.
Christians faith is judgment in itself of all other traditions that will lead only to damnation. And we are told by Jesus that we are to go forth into all the world and proclaim the good news of that. That while there are lost souls in this world worshiping false god's, or those who are unbelievers in any deity whatever, that there is in truth not only a supreme being, but the one and only God that gives peace, redemption, and a new life to those who accept him as their Lord and savior from their fallen state.

Other judgments are necessary as well. False teachers are to be confronted. Because scripture tells us that if someone feels compelled to teach the words of Christ, they are to answer to God for the content of their preaching. Because they are responsible for leading souls to either salvation, where God dwells, or to damnation, due to the falsity of their errant sermons or teachings. (Judgment scriptures link)
[h=3] John 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” [/h]
God gave you an intellect. It would be a shame to waste it. Your questions are most welcome here. Asking, where is God? Is the best way to find him. Because he hears the sincere heart and answers the open mind. And he's known you before you were born. Welcome to our community.

Hey Timkerberbell725,

Have you read a post of mine before? Not sure if you have, because if you did, you wouldn't be so quick to agree with biscuit that I am an atheist...indeed I am not.

I will admit that I am a person who has a lot if struggles, certainly a lot of imperfections, and questions about faith; but I do believe in God and in Jesus Christ.

Because of...some really bad experiences...my view on God may be different, but I do believe.

I was just agreeing with Dom that biscuit's comments are not very helpful. biscuit apparently was offended and took a low-blow with the atheist comment.


But staying on the original subject of this post...

Dom,

There's nothing wrong with asking questions about something in order to try getting a better understanding. There are many Christians who have questions themselves, so there is nothing to be ashamed of. I hope that someone here is able to answer your questions...and who knows...makes you a believer. We all have to start somewhere! There is actually a lot of good info in here.

This is an outstanding post.

To be honest with you my life as only felt empty during my time as a christian. Thinking that there are only two choices , the choice you picked being determined by your moral standards and if you chose wrong the fear of eternal torment. That's a lot to bear just for make a few choices in your life. Now that I am an atheist I can truly say that my one fear in life is not doing what I want with it, in other words, Being conformed to a society that wants to create a cure for a problem that never existed in the first place.

Right, being an atheist is a good excuse so you can do just WHATEVER you want. But your idea of freedom is twisted. Good luck with that! Your freedom ends once you mess up with other's freedom.

Well Dom your questions have sure provoked a lot of commotion I find your questions perfectly reasonable and valid, however I am sad to say not everyone can answer them. You see perspective pretty much explains your entire thread as I am sure you have seen, I have talked with plenty of athiests many who are more loving and understanding and mature than many Christians. I dont find it odd that Christians are often labeled by the community as hypocrites as many of us are and many and I mean many are very judgemental. In fact amongst the many groups of ppl I have encountered irl and on the web Christians are the most judgmental ppl I have seen. Not all of the but sadly most.

But this was prophesied in the bible that love would grow cold, but I can assure you there are still many wonderful Christians out there. God cannot be proven real true but he also cannot be proven unreal either, Science I admit makes a good case but has yet to be able to fully prove God is not real because if they did then unexplainable miracles and prophesies in the bible happening in our day and age could not happen. The bible itself is amazing, either the ppl who wrote it were beyond lucky in pinpointing things that would happen or they were shown by a higher being. even an athiest with an open mind who decided to test the bible by studying bible prophecy, the world events in both today and the past would be shocked how accurate the bible is. in a way that might not prove God but it sure begins to make him seem more real

That was uncalled for

Great post! Really awesome stuff here! One of the best answers to a post I have read! Good, calm, knowledgeable language; not judgmental, rude, or preachy. Awesome!

Well I watch shows that that provide a perfect sense of knowledge and entertainment so my mind sort of adapted and I combine that with my faith. Logic is actually very good even for Christians, the famous Paul was very Knowledgable and had great logic and used that gift to save ppl. I have bad spelling but I like to absorb things I learn and apply to faith looking at it from both an athiest and Christian point of view and from both science and religion.

Tinkerbell

To you my idea of freedom may be twisted, but to 300 million American citizens it's what the majority of them strive for, it's why we are the first and to my knowledge the only truly free country on this earth. And no being an atheist is not an excuse to do whatever you want. It's the ability to BE the person you want to be. I emphasize the word be because while you can do whatever you please there are always consequences and repercussions for every action you do in your life, specificly illegal actions, however you can't put a person in prison for self expressing. This is another reason I choose to be an atheist, because not only can I control the direction my life steers in. I can set my own moral standards. I can live up to the goals and standards I choose to. Not preset ones or the "default" option as I like to refer to it

[h=1]Should Christians try to evangelize atheists?[/h]

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Question: "Should Christians try to evangelize atheists?"

Answer: As Christians who know the love of God and have the assurance of eternity in heaven, it’s hard to understand why anyone would want to be an atheist. But when we realize the sin nature and its strong influence on the mind and the heart, we begin to understand where the atheist is coming from. Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as an atheist. Psalm 19:1-2 tells us that the heavens declare the glory of God. We see His creative power in all that He has made. Romans 1:19-20 follows up on this idea, telling us that what may be known about God has been made plain to us through the creation, and anyone who denies this is “suppressing the truth in unrighteousness” (v. 18). Psalm 14:1and 53:1 declare that those who deny the existence of God are fools. So the atheist is either lying or he is a fool or both. So, what is it that causes someone to deny God?

The main goal of those under the influence of the sin nature is to make himself a god, to have complete control over his life, or so he thinks. Then religion comes along with obligations, judgments, and restrictions, while atheists presume to define their own meaning and morality. They do not want to submit to God because their hearts are at “enmity against God,” and they have no desire to be subject to His Law. In fact they are incapable of doing so because their sin has blinded them to truth (Romans 8:6-7). This is why atheists spend most of their time complaining and arguing not about the scriptural proof texts, but about the “dos and don’ts.” Their natural rebelliousness detests the commandments of God. They simply hate the idea that anything—or any One—should have control over them. What they do not realize is that Satan himself is controlling them, blinding them, and preparing their souls for hell.

In terms of evangelizing atheists, we should not hold back the gospel from someone just because he or she claims to be an atheist. Do not forget that an atheist is just as lost as a Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist. God certainly wants us to spread the gospel (Matthew 28:19) and to defend the truths of His word (Romans 1:16). On the other hand, we are not obligated to waste our time trying to convince the unwilling. In fact, we are warned not to expend excessive effort on those who are clearly disinterested in any honest discussions (Matthew 7:6). Jesus told the apostles to go and preach the Word, but He did not expect them to stay anywhere until every last person had been converted (Matthew 10:14).

Perhaps the best tactic is to give each person the benefit of the doubt, at least at first. Every question, honestly and truthfully answered, gives that person a chance to hear the gospel. But if that person is just arguing, being hostile, or otherwise not listening, it’s probably time to go somewhere else. Some people are totally and absolutely hardened to the gospel (Proverbs 29:1). They may be rational or irrational, but there are scriptural reasons to believe that some people are willingly immune to the influence of the Holy Spirit (Genesis 6:3). When we have made a good-faith effort to talk to someone, and he or she is unreachable, then we are commanded to “shake the dust off” of our shoes (Luke 9:5) and spend our time talking to those who are more spiritually open. As in all things, the wisdom of God is crucial. God has promised that wisdom to us if we ask (James 1:5), and we should pray for it and trust God’s prompting to know how and when to end the dialog with a hostile atheist.

Recommended Resources: I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norm Geisler and Frank Turek and The Real Face of Atheism by Ravi Zacharias and Logos Bible Software.​

This I will commend your effort for. As though this post is as intriguing as just about any on this thread. It is pure opinion scrambled together with a few scripture quotes, a lot of atheist that I know desperately try to bealeave and seek a realationship with god though to no avail. The reason being is that any religion is based purely on superstition and when you realize this and that religion not only harms society but holds back the progression of peace and world wide intelligence. Your attempts to seek and establish a realationship with god come to no avail. Back to the point of Atheists rejecting god due to their unwillingness to let go of sin and there desire not to be controlled. This is a false statement and quite frankly is extremely childish and arrogant. An Atheist refuses to beleave in god due to the lack of scientific proof that a god exists. There are thousands of theory's for proof of god just as there are thousands of theory's for everything else on this earth, the difference is that most other things have hard evidence, evidence that were once observation upon observation, witch then turned to a hypothesis then once it is backed up more, a theory. The problem with religion is that few people fail to realize , like the bible, Koran and any other proclaimed holy book. These are still hypotheses, due to to the simple fact that there is more evidence to disprove religion than to proove it.

bicuit,

This last post of yours was actually quite interesting; I can't knock you at all for it. It is true that Christians have an obligation to spread the word, especially to those who are "lost", but that if this "lost" person is argumentative...for the sake of being argumentative...then the Christian has done their job and it is time to move on.

I am not defending atheism, and I could never myself become an unbeliever, but at the same time I can understand the reasons why a person may lose faith. The reasons, believe it or not, are not always because a person wants to live a life if rebellion, or because they want to be their own god and live life without consequences. I have personally met a few atheist; and almost all of them at one point DID believe, or did tried to follow God's word. The problem usually came when these people were faced with some really really hard or traumatic circumstances; and when they turned to God for comfort or answers...it seemed that God had turned His back. See, as children we are told that God loves us, that He would never leave or forsake us, that He will put no more upon us than we can bare. But then when a person hits rock-bottom...they reach out for God...and the ground opens up, plunging them down even further into darkness and despair; one REALLY starts to wonder if God really cares at all.

For the really strong in faith, it is in these moments of turmoil that they find the strength to pull themselves up and allow the experience to make them stronger...but such is not the case for everyone.

Think on this...you don't have to believe or agree, but for a moment, put your righteous indignation aside and think on this...

When some people have truly hit their whit's end, and it seem that God is absent, doesn't care...or simply watches them while they thrive in pain; is it more comforting to think that God is some sadistic being that enjoys watching them suffer, or to tell yourself that He does not exist?

I am no different from many other people in that I have suffered through some horrific things...I never stopped believing in God; but I came to hate Him, because it seemed to me that He ENJOYED watching me suffer. I was just a small child when many of theses bad things happened, so it is not like I was suffering as a result of my own actions...I was innocent. The thought that God just...watched...never came to my rescue, angered me. So what is more heart-breaking; to believe that God watches in Heaven with a bag of popcorn laughing at our mystery, or that He does not exist?

For some; it is far more comforting, far more reasonable, far more logic, to feel that He does not exist that to feel that He just...watches...as not only ourselves, but so many other innocent people around the world suffer.

Okay okay...enough with that.

Not trying to bore you with my sob story, and again, not making excuses for atheism; only trying to say that if a person is atheist there is often a reason. That reason is not always because they want an excuse to be sinful, because they want to be their own god, or because they want to live without consequences. They are not all bad people.

All we can do is...WITH COMPASSION, not judgement, rudeness, or condemnation, tell them the good news of The Lord. We have done our job as a Christian if we do that; and pray that something sinks in.

If they continue to argue and not listen...then what happens next is on them.

Thus far, Dom has not argued or been really rude to anyone (as some "Christians" have been to him) but has presented some questions and issues the Christians themselves sometimes struggle with.

1. A friend and I were blinded on the side of the highway by a man dressed like an apostle who tranced out and said "THUS SAYS THE LORD GOD!" for 3 days myself, 2 friends and 2 siblings had dreams that manifested into real life. Snakes, numbers and harlots. I had already had a relationship with Jesus Christ but that was it for me. That day I lost the option to EVER say I didn't know for sure. If I had been alone I may think I was crazy, but to have a witness blinded behind me who never saw me kneel? nope, that's more real than the computer I'm typing on and here is what I mean. I may wake up and technically this could be a dream. However that day was not a dream and it can easily be confirmed with a simple phone call. Then B. There really is a ton of information for Jesus Christ, not just His life but His resurrection as well.

2. It is accessible. Read "more than a carpenter" by Josh Mcdowell That was a fun book and why isn't it accessible? well to be fair if you are genuinely going to look in to the validity of the bible then you will first have to look at it objectively. The bible says satan exists and he deceives the world. So expect the truth to be hard to find, but then you can rest assured you'll find the truth if you genuinely seek it.

3. Some christians do follow it word for word, I guess the real problem with that question is that there isn't any one answer. One christian may believe one thing and someone else believes another. Then on top of that there are teachers who teach different variations. That is a very complicated question I wish I had more for you regarding it.

4. Part of the problem here sends you back to question 3. There are many christians who take different things from the bible. The bible says do unto others as you would have done unto you. Judge not lest you be judged- and as you judge others so shall you be judged. However, there are different kinds of judgement. I tend to not judge the person, I judge the situation. ( as in I don't think "these horrible people" I think "This isn't of God, I don't want any part of this"

I thank you for your effort. Though I find in my own opinion the answer to the first question to be very outlandish and extremely hard to believe for someone such as myself. Though I do not doubt the experience you had I just do not bealeave it to be of a supreme being such as God or Jesus. I would have to know more than the small amount of information you gave to think of a reasonable and logical reason as to how the events you claim to have happend to be 100% true. Please do not take this as an insult on your own intellect, but take them rather as someone simply judging the logic of the events.

1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.

I'm pretty sure there are a lot of historians that can prove there was a man who was known as Jesus who claimed to be the son of God, the messiah, etc. Whether you believe He is or not is another matter.

2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.

Take a good look around and can you honestly say it just happened?

3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.

The bible doesn't say follow it word for word.

4. In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.

Because we're human and stuff up like you and everybody else. The problem is when we act like we don't.