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JesusLives

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[h=3]At times in my life I have been a doubting Thomas type you remember after Jesus rose from the dead Thomas said he would not believe unless he saw and touched the nail prints in Jesus hands and the piercings in His side. I put Atheists in the doubting Thomas group wanting and needing to see proof.[/h][h=3]John 20:29 (AMP)[/h]
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, Because you have seen Me, Thomas, do you now believe (trust, have faith)? Blessed and happy and to be envied are those who have never seen Me and yet have believed and adhered to and trusted and relied on Me.

It does take faith to believe and God wants us to trust Him.
 
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Dom

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1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.

I'm pretty sure there are a lot of historians that can prove there was a man who was known as Jesus who claimed to be the son of God, the messiah, etc. Whether you believe He is or not is another matter.

2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.

Take a good look around and can you honestly say it just happened?

3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.

The bible doesn't say follow it word for word.

4. In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.

Because we're human and stuff up like you and everybody else. The problem is when we act like we don't.

I am not certain on witch verse specifically it says that those who accept Jesus Christ must follow the bible word for word. But when I find it I will quote it for you, as I clearly remember reading it in my bible a while back. To your answer for number two. Yes I honestly can say that everything happened they way it did due solely on the fact that not only is our planet not unique but not even rare. Due mainly to the fact of a lack of technology and modern science until very recently, within the past year or so if I'm remembering well. Astronomers have discovered over 215 planets that remarkably resemble our own Earth. I believe the estimate was that for every solar system in our galaxy there was roughly 5 -10 planets to every 100-200 solar systems that were capable of sustaining plant and/or intelligent life. A metaphor that I personally love, that is used by several renowned astronomers , is that " Saying that there is no chance of life outside of earth is the equivalent of taking a glass and diping it into the ocean, coming up with nothing and saying there are no fish in the ocean." To your statement on the 1st question, I am not denying the existence of Jesus as a man. I am denying Jesus' claim to be the son of god and the exsitence of god himself, the possibility of a supreme ,all knowing, being.
 
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Dom

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At times in my life I have been a doubting Thomas type you remember after Jesus rose from the dead Thomas said he would not believe unless he saw and touched the nail prints in Jesus hands and the piercings in His side. I put Atheists in the doubting Thomas group wanting and needing to see proof.

John 20:29 (AMP)


[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, Because you have seen Me, Thomas, do you now believe (trust, have faith)? Blessed and happy and to be envied are those who have never seen Me and yet have believed and adhered to and trusted and relied on Me.

It does take faith to believe and God wants us to trust Him.

I personally have have been floored by this section of the bible many times, though look at this through my perspective for a moment. How can you trust and believe without seeing. When no matter how hard you have tried, how much you prayed, how much you sought god out. Nothing ever happened. Your prayers never came true. Your faith, despite being as strong as you can possible have it, your belief in god so strong you felt as though you could talk to him at any point in time and recieve guidance. Though guidance never comes from god. You must guide yourself. You must find your own inner strength, no matter how deeply and how much you love god. Nothing ever seems to go right in your life. Yet when you begin to stop relying on god so much, you begin to trust your own intelligence, strength and so on. Things seem to go right. Your faith begins to deminish, your trust begins to fade and you see that you are better on your own. You are happier on your own. You are able to set your own moral standards to live up to and you are proud when you see yourself exceeding those standards. You are able to express yourself as you will. You do not have to repress things as you would have to repress if you follow god. My point is that yes an Atheist is the type of person that needs to see to believe, but he/she is also someone who values reason and logic over superstition and prayer. The way that I look at prayer is like this. If gods will is always going to be done, he is all knowing and all powerfull. What is the point of prayer when god already knows your needs and if he sees fit to help then he will, but if not then he won't. How can you have trust and faith in something that not only contradicts itself over and over. But also request needless, time consuming and pointless tasks of you. When he allready knows the outcome of your life.
 

Yowie

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I am not certain on witch verse specifically it says that those who accept Jesus Christ must follow the bible word for word. But when I find it I will quote it for you, as I clearly remember reading it in my bible a while back. To your answer for number two. Yes I honestly can say that everything happened they way it did due solely on the fact that not only is our planet not unique but not even rare. Due mainly to the fact of a lack of technology and modern science until very recently, within the past year or so if I'm remembering well. Astronomers have discovered over 215 planets that remarkably resemble our own Earth. I believe the estimate was that for every solar system in our galaxy there was roughly 5 -10 planets to every 100-200 solar systems that were capable of sustaining plant and/or intelligent life. A metaphor that I personally love, that is used by several renowned astronomers , is that " Saying that there is no chance of life outside of earth is the equivalent of taking a glass and diping it into the ocean, coming up with nothing and saying there are no fish in the ocean." To your statement on the 1st question, I am not denying the existence of Jesus as a man. I am denying Jesus' claim to be the son of god and the exsitence of god himself, the possibility of a supreme ,all knowing, being.
I'll have to look into it myself, but last I heard they haven't any evidence that they've seen with their own eyes (as in photographs) that those planets you're talking about exist. It's all theory to my knowledge.

You won't find a bible that says Jesus said to follow it word for word because the bible as we know it didn't exist then.

As for you denying Jesus' claim to be the son of God, etc. Well, I'm not sure there's anything we can say to change your mind. I can only go by my experience with God / Jesus and whoever is seeking will find.
 

Yowie

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I personally have have been floored by this section of the bible many times, though look at this through my perspective for a moment. How can you trust and believe without seeing. When no matter how hard you have tried, how much you prayed, how much you sought god out. Nothing ever happened. Your prayers never came true. Your faith, despite being as strong as you can possible have it, your belief in god so strong you felt as though you could talk to him at any point in time and recieve guidance. Though guidance never comes from god. You must guide yourself. You must find your own inner strength, no matter how deeply and how much you love god. Nothing ever seems to go right in your life. Yet when you begin to stop relying on god so much, you begin to trust your own intelligence, strength and so on. Things seem to go right. Your faith begins to deminish, your trust begins to fade and you see that you are better on your own. You are happier on your own. You are able to set your own moral standards to live up to and you are proud when you see yourself exceeding those standards. You are able to express yourself as you will. You do not have to repress things as you would have to repress if you follow god. My point is that yes an Atheist is the type of person that needs to see to believe, but he/she is also someone who values reason and logic over superstition and prayer. The way that I look at prayer is like this. If gods will is always going to be done, he is all knowing and all powerfull. What is the point of prayer when god already knows your needs and if he sees fit to help then he will, but if not then he won't. How can you have trust and faith in something that not only contradicts itself over and over. But also request needless, time consuming and pointless tasks of you. When he allready knows the outcome of your life.
I've had the exact opposite experience. :)
 
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I thank you for your effort. Though I find in my own opinion the answer to the first question to be very outlandish and extremely hard to believe for someone such as myself. Though I do not doubt the experience you had I just do not bealeave it to be of a supreme being such as God or Jesus. I would have to know more than the small amount of information you gave to think of a reasonable and logical reason as to how the events you claim to have happend to be 100% true. Please do not take this as an insult on your own intellect, but take them rather as someone simply judging the logic of the events.
Any questions you have I will gladly answer and there is a lot more about it in my profile. I am aware how outlandish it sounds. That's why I am thankful I wasn't alone. As I said I would have thought I was crazy as well.
 
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I thank you for your effort. Though I find in my own opinion the answer to the first question to be very outlandish and extremely hard to believe for someone such as myself. Though I do not doubt the experience you had I just do not bealeave it to be of a supreme being such as God or Jesus. I would have to know more than the small amount of information you gave to think of a reasonable and logical reason as to how the events you claim to have happend to be 100% true. Please do not take this as an insult on your own intellect, but take them rather as someone simply judging the logic of the events.
P.S. There is only one logical and reasonable explanation. That is God. You see sir, I can stare at the sun and I have done surgery on my palm with a 300 lb man spreading apart my skin so it will separate fully. I have very strong will power and on that day just after lunch time I was unable to lift the bill of my hat to his sandals. My own eyes argued with me "I don't know where you think you are going to look, you are not looking at that man." So any rational such as, sunlight reflecting off the hilton isn't even remotely adequate, especially when you hold in the account of the angle of the bill of my hat. Imagine me kneeling. My hat curved by my hand at it's edges and I can't lift the bill up to his sandals which is only a few feet ahead of me still at concrete height. No sir, the reality of my statement is so "outlandish" there really are only 2 possibilities. I am telling you the truth or I am lying. However this would have to be a corroborated lie. One of my friends who was there for the 3 days of visions/dreams is a member of CC. Tituswithin.
 
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Dom

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I'll have to look into it myself, but last I heard they haven't any evidence that they've seen with their own eyes (as in photographs) that those planets you're talking about exist. It's all theory to my knowledge.

You won't find a bible that says Jesus said to follow it word for word because the bible as we know it didn't exist then.

As for you denying Jesus' claim to be the son of God, etc. Well, I'm not sure there's anything we can say to change your mind. I can only go by my experience with God / Jesus and whoever is seeking will find.

You are wrong on two of these things, however one is due to my wording, I did not mean to say that Jesus himself said to follow the bible word for word. It was a verse in the Old Testament and too the life on other planet section of your comment. It is a scientific theory, witch unlike a theory used alone. Is the closest things to a fact as we can get and to answer your question on the pictures. They do have pictures of the planets and substantial evidence to support there claims also. I do recommend you and anyone else reading this research more about the subject. It is quite fascinating.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I suppose now would be a good time to introduce you to why America is the way it is, despite trending heavily toward authoritarianism as Christian morality has decreased and secularism and immorality has increased: it's due to America's Christian foundation.

The founding fathers did view Biblical morality essential for a just and harmonious society. As John Adams stated, "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

Twenty-nine of the fifty six signers of the Declaration held what are today considered seminary or Bible school degrees in addition to their other accomplishments, and many others of the signers were bold and outspoken in their personal Christian faith. Significantly, not one of the Founding Fathers was atheist or secular in his orientation; even Thomas Paine (certainly the least religious of the Founders) openly acknowledged God and announced his belief in his personal accountability to God, and he also directly advocated teaching creationism in the public school classroom (See Paine's speech delivered in Paris on January 16, 1797).

Most were Protestants. The largest number were raised in the three largest Christian traditions of colonial America:

1. Anglicanism (as in the cases of John Jay, George Washington, and Edward Rutledge).
2. Presbyterianism (as in the cases of Richard Stockton and the Rev. John Witherspoon).
3. Congregationalism (as in the cases of John Adams and Samuel Adams).

Other Protestant groups included the Society of Friends (Quakers), the Lutherans, and the Dutch Reformed.

Minority positions included three Roman Catholics (Charles Carroll, Daniel Carroll of Maryland, and Thomas Fitzsimmons of Pennsylvania) and a few deists with Thomas Paine being the most prominent.

The founding fathers were interested in a cooperation between church and state not state over church or church over state. U.S. historians refer to this as Jeffersonianism.

Unlike Jeffersonianism, atheism has no ultimately meaningful transcendent moral basis for anything including civil rights and criminal law; inalienable rights from the Creator are shed for the alienable rights of the creature who now exists to fight with others to spread their DNA.

No longer can natural law guide us for what is morally right has become the whim of a changing mob whose political body decides what is right, wherever it may be. With good reason the founding fathers rejected state atheism. In contrast, the early American system they chose allowed for a fruitful Jeffersonianism firmly rooted in an ultimately meaningful worldview.

Of course there are detractors, and more of them today than ever before. Charlie Manson, the Night Stalker, etc... there's a very long list of those who chose to exercise the ability to BE the person they wanted to be rather than the person they should have been.

But why not in atheism? For in the false worldview of atheism the most moral loving person that ever lived has no more reward or punishment than the most wicked evil person that ever lived beyond their brief existence here. The 20th century is a case study in state atheism which is responsible for the death of over 250 million people and the severe persecution of religious people over much of the globe.

But then why should the atheist care for it's not ultimately meaningful. They're just a smear of complex bacteria on a rocky planet fueled by a dying sun in a universe whose expansion is accelerating to the point all biological life is forever doomed and none will ever be possible again in it.

Now Christianity on the other hand... :)


Tinkerbell

To you my idea of freedom may be twisted, but to 300 million American citizens it's what the majority of them strive for, it's why we are the first and to my knowledge the only truly free country on this earth. And no being an atheist is not an excuse to do whatever you want.

It's the ability to BE the person you want to be. I emphasize the word be because while you can do whatever you please there are always consequences and repercussions for every action you do in your life, specificly illegal actions, however you can't put a person in prison for self expressing. This is another reason I choose to be an atheist, because not only can I control the direction my life steers in. I can set my own moral standards. I can live up to the goals and standards I choose to. Not preset ones or the "default" option as I like to refer to it
 
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Dom

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I suppose now would be a good time to introduce you to why America is the way it is, despite trending heavily toward authoritarianism as Christian morality has decreased and secularism and immorality has increased: it's due to America's Christian foundation.

The founding fathers did view Biblical morality essential for a just and harmonious society. As John Adams stated, "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

Twenty-nine of the fifty six signers of the Declaration held what are today considered seminary or Bible school degrees in addition to their other accomplishments, and many others of the signers were bold and outspoken in their personal Christian faith. Significantly, not one of the Founding Fathers was atheist or secular in his orientation; even Thomas Paine (certainly the least religious of the Founders) openly acknowledged God and announced his belief in his personal accountability to God, and he also directly advocated teaching creationism in the public school classroom (See Paine's speech delivered in Paris on January 16, 1797).

Most were Protestants. The largest number were raised in the three largest Christian traditions of colonial America:

1. Anglicanism (as in the cases of John Jay, George Washington, and Edward Rutledge).
2. Presbyterianism (as in the cases of Richard Stockton and the Rev. John Witherspoon).
3. Congregationalism (as in the cases of John Adams and Samuel Adams).

Other Protestant groups included the Society of Friends (Quakers), the Lutherans, and the Dutch Reformed.

Minority positions included three Roman Catholics (Charles Carroll, Daniel Carroll of Maryland, and Thomas Fitzsimmons of Pennsylvania) and a few deists with Thomas Paine being the most prominent.

The founding fathers were interested in a cooperation between church and state not state over church or church over state. U.S. historians refer to this as Jeffersonianism.

Unlike Jeffersonianism, atheism has no ultimately meaningful transcendent moral basis for anything including civil rights and criminal law; inalienable rights from the Creator are shed for the alienable rights of the creature who now exists to fight with others to spread their DNA.

No longer can natural law guide us for what is morally right has become the whim of a changing mob whose political body decides what is right, wherever it may be. With good reason the founding fathers rejected state atheism. In contrast, the early American system they chose allowed for a fruitful Jeffersonianism firmly rooted in an ultimately meaningful worldview.

Of course there are detractors, and more of them today than ever before. Charlie Manson, the Night Stalker, etc... there's a very long list of those who chose to exercise the ability to BE the person they wanted to be rather than the person they should have been.

But why not in atheism? For in the false worldview of atheism the most moral loving person that ever lived has no more reward or punishment than the most wicked evil person that ever lived beyond their brief existence here. The 20th century is a case study in state atheism which is responsible for the death of over 250 million people and the severe persecution of religious people over much of the globe.

But then why should the atheist care for it's not ultimately meaningful. They're just a smear of complex bacteria on a rocky planet fueled by a dying sun in a universe whose expansion is accelerating to the point all biological life is forever doomed and none will ever be possible again in it.

Now Christianity on the other hand... :)

Atheism has contributed none to the massive death toll that Islam, Christianity and Muslims have created. You are wrong in your assertion on that subject. Christians, Islamic and Muslim's have killed over 200 million atheist for thinking freely. That is not including the Muslim terrorist attacks and the christian Holy war. Religion itself as a whole has created more death, violence and hate towards others than anything known to man today. Religion is harmful to society and the advancement of the human race is the biggest understatement a logical, thinking person can say.
 

Yowie

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I'm guessing the reasons you're here and asking these questions is either to get christians questioning what they believe or you're questioning what you believe. Please let me know which one or whatever other reason you're here.
 
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Dom

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I'm guessing the reasons you're here and asking these questions is either to get christians questioning what they believe or you're questioning what you believe. Please let me know which one or whatever other reason you're here.

I do not question what I believe. I am not trying to get anyone to question there own beliefs, the questions I presented to this forum are honest questions that I have about this religion In particular. Mainly due to the fact that I grew up in a christian home. However I comment on posts that I feel obligated to do so, be that the comment I reply to has false assertions or I if it is an intriguing post and I just feel that I need to share my thoughts on it. However I am not going to comment on the , in my own opinion, intelligent answers to my questions. Because I am not here to argue over such things. I am here to gain a new perspective on this subject matter we describe as religion.
 

Yowie

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Fair enough.
What new perspective have you gained so far?
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government) and clearly demonstrates a mid estimate of 110,286,000 people who lost their life under state atheism with about ten times that suffering persecution... often severe and usually because they were religious.

The state atheists pulled children from their mother's breast ENMASSE simply because there parents were deemed "religious" and placed them into state run orphanages were they forcibly indoctrinated in atheism and persecuted for being the children of religious political prisoners.

The parents themselves were sent to hard work prisons where most were worked to death with the survivors emerging half starved and usually scarred for life. The "lucky" ones were sent to mental institutions where the most horrid experiments were conducted on them because anyone who believes in God must be insane right?

The bloody trail of atheism is both wide and deep AND FULLY DOCUMENTED.

For a summary, read: What About Atrocities That Have Been Done in the Name of Religion
For the raw data, read: Statistics of Democide

As you can clearly see, the total number killed in the Crusades on both sides were about a million people. The Spanish Inquisition was about 350,000 people.

But 22 atheistic regimes committed 153,368,610 murders in the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century alone. The only thing that even comes close is Islam and it took them between the seventh and the seventeenth centuries to fall short of what the atheists managed to do in less than one century!

History is clear that the most dangerous thing in the entire world is an atheist with political power and modern technology for nothing has murdered more people faster. State atheism makes what the neo-pagan oriented Nazis did look like a love tap in comparison as far as the sheer number murdered and severely persecuted.

And it's also well documented that atheism does lead to increased immoral behavior. The Barna Group, as one example, were able to show that there are vast differences in the behaviors of evangelical Christians compared to agnostics/atheists which are decidedly in favor of the evangelical Christians.

Atheists/agnostics participate in morally questionable behaviors to a much greater degree than evangelical Christians; an average of nearly five times the frequency!

Obviously, beliefs do influence behavior. Another study, published in 2008, showed that an atheistic evolutionary belief in determinism negatively impacted moral behavior with respect to spousal cheating: Vohs, K. D., and J. W. Schooler. 2008. The Value of Believing in Free Will: Encouraging a Belief in Determinism Increases Cheating. Psychological Science 19: 49-54.

There are many studies to choose from which show that atheists are, on average, engage in much greater immoral behaviors and do so more often than evangelical Christians.

You are making ignorant unsupported false assertions which are diametrically in conflict with the empirical data. You're either a colossally ignorant and misinformed person who needs to be asking questions rather than making such patently false assertions or you're deliberately trolling.


Atheism has contributed none to the massive death toll that Islam, Christianity and Muslims have created. You are wrong in your assertion on that subject. Christians, Islamic and Muslim's have killed over 200 million atheist for thinking freely. That is not including the Muslim terrorist attacks and the christian Holy war. Religion itself as a whole has created more death, violence and hate towards others than anything known to man today. Religion is harmful to society and the advancement of the human race is the biggest understatement a logical, thinking person can say.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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So far, all I've seen you do is ask loaded questions and follow that up with ridiculous false assertions. Not a great start.

For example, please provide empirical evidence proving that Christians murdered 200 million atheists for that is a blatant patently false untruth that YOU made.

I wish you weren't the type that screeds ridiculous misinformation on the forum while attacking Christianity which is obviously a worldview that you do not understand.

Now would be a good time to step back and think about what you're doing and saying... that is if you want to present yourself as something other than a grossly biased, misinformed, ignorant person who hates Christianity for that's all you've accomplished so far.


I do not question what I believe. I am not trying to get anyone to question there own beliefs, the questions I presented to this forum are honest questions that I have about this religion In particular. Mainly due to the fact that I grew up in a christian home. However I comment on posts that I feel obligated to do so, be that the comment I reply to has false assertions or I if it is an intriguing post and I just feel that I need to share my thoughts on it. However I am not going to comment on the , in my own opinion, intelligent answers to my questions. Because I am not here to argue over such things. I am here to gain a new perspective on this subject matter we describe as religion.
 

Atwood

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I am unable to receive an honest answer about Christianity, Jesus or anything bible related without being yelled at, told I need therapy or rebuked.
Can you prove to us that the above is true?

Can you honestly prove that:
1) No one of any credible scientific knowledge has ever been able to "proof exists"?
2) Knowledge of physical science is the criterion for believing someone's proof?
3) It is the person trying to prove, rather than the proof itself that is important?
4) Proof of God is not "acessable to the public"?
5) "it is said to"?
6) Chrs are judgemental?
7) Chrs are UNBELIEVABLE judgemental?
8) The bible states something about "god" being judge?
9) The Bible states that god is the only true judge?

What is your proof of all that?

I am genuinely curious as to what your answers will be -- or if you will duck.
 

Atwood

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For example, please provide empirical evidence proving that Christians murdered 200 million atheists for that is a blatant patently false untruth that YOU made.
Yeah, we can only be blamed at worst for killing 193.14159 million. And after we subtract the ones who died by being slain in the spirit by Benny Hinn, when his hinnchmen were slow with the sheet, the tally goes way down. I mean counting those is unfair as fake-christian murders. But I don't know that the lad has a patent on his theory. ROFL
 
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Dom

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Can you prove to us that the above is true?

Can you honestly prove that:
1) No one of any credible scientific knowledge has ever been able to "proof exists"?
2) Knowledge of physical science is the criterion for believing someone's proof?
3) It is the person trying to prove, rather than the proof itself that is important?
4) Proof of God is not "acessable to the public"?
5) "it is said to"?
6) Chrs are judgemental?
7) Chrs are UNBELIEVABLE judgemental?
8) The bible states something about "god" being judge?
9) The Bible states that god is the only true judge?

What is your proof of all that?

I am genuinely curious as to what your answers will be -- or if you will duck.

For or you wanting proof on my quote. Yes I can prove it. However it is my personal experience and there is no need to prove anything. As for number 1, you quote my spelling error, why? I honestly don't know. But I would like to. 2. Yes there knowledge in any form of science, there credibility and there percentage of not only proving there theory's with hard evidence but there ability to accurately predict something through scientific evidence and there time spent researching such claims, is indeed what makes there claims the most logical answer. 3. I honestly don't know we're your trying to get at with this question. It makes no sense to me whatsoever. 4. You leave out the most important part of this question witch clarifies to me that you have let you emotions get the better of you. Why is it not acessable to the public, is my question. Because after a good amount of reaserch of my own, every claim of the bible or god has been disproven by a credible source. 6,7 . In my experience yes, they are in fact ALLMOST and I emphasis allmost so you do not mistake my words for every. Almost every christian as been very judgmental towards me for my beliefs. 8,9. Yes it dose, I don't know if you are a christian, I'm assuming you are so correct me if I am wrong and forgive me ahead of time if I am rude in my next statement. If you would actually Read the bible you would know what it says.
 
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Dom

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So far, all I've seen you do is ask loaded questions and follow that up with ridiculous false assertions. Not a great start.

For example, please provide empirical evidence proving that Christians murdered 200 million atheists for that is a blatant patently false untruth that YOU made.

I wish you weren't the type that screeds ridiculous misinformation on the forum while attacking Christianity which is obviously a worldview that you do not understand.

Now would be a good time to step back and think about what you're doing and saying... that is if you want to present yourself as something other than a grossly biased, misinformed, ignorant person who hates Christianity for that's all you've accomplished so far.

I do understand Christianity , I was a christian for ten years. You are correct I am biased, I do not deny this as everyone is biased about something. However I am not misinformed. Religion has indeed been responsible for the death of anyone who spoke against there beliefs up until about 200-250 years ago. If you could do the slightest amount of research into what I am implying you would see the truth behind it and yes I can honestly say I do personally hate Christianity and any other organized, non organized and superstistouse religion. It dose much more harm to the world that it dose good. If you want an example on this, ask me and I will gladly give them to you.