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Dom

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YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG. Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government) and clearly demonstrates a mid estimate of 110,286,000 people who lost their life under state atheism with about ten times that suffering persecution... often severe and usually because they were religious.

The state atheists pulled children from their mother's breast ENMASSE simply because there parents were deemed "religious" and placed them into state run orphanages were they forcibly indoctrinated in atheism and persecuted for being the children of religious political prisoners.

The parents themselves were sent to hard work prisons where most were worked to death with the survivors emerging half starved and usually scarred for life. The "lucky" ones were sent to mental institutions where the most horrid experiments were conducted on them because anyone who believes in God must be insane right?

The bloody trail of atheism is both wide and deep AND FULLY DOCUMENTED.

For a summary, read: What About Atrocities That Have Been Done in the Name of Religion
For the raw data, read: Statistics of Democide

As you can clearly see, the total number killed in the Crusades on both sides were about a million people. The Spanish Inquisition was about 350,000 people.

But 22 atheistic regimes committed 153,368,610 murders in the 20[SUP]th[/SUP] century alone. The only thing that even comes close is Islam and it took them between the seventh and the seventeenth centuries to fall short of what the atheists managed to do in less than one century!

History is clear that the most dangerous thing in the entire world is an atheist with political power and modern technology for nothing has murdered more people faster. State atheism makes what the neo-pagan oriented Nazis did look like a love tap in comparison as far as the sheer number murdered and severely persecuted.

And it's also well documented that atheism does lead to increased immoral behavior. The Barna Group, as one example, were able to show that there are vast differences in the behaviors of evangelical Christians compared to agnostics/atheists which are decidedly in favor of the evangelical Christians.

Atheists/agnostics participate in morally questionable behaviors to a much greater degree than evangelical Christians; an average of nearly five times the frequency!

Obviously, beliefs do influence behavior. Another study, published in 2008, showed that an atheistic evolutionary belief in determinism negatively impacted moral behavior with respect to spousal cheating: Vohs, K. D., and J. W. Schooler. 2008. The Value of Believing in Free Will: Encouraging a Belief in Determinism Increases Cheating. Psychological Science 19: 49-54.

There are many studies to choose from which show that atheists are, on average, engage in much greater immoral behaviors and do so more often than evangelical Christians.

You are making ignorant unsupported false assertions which are diametrically in conflict with the empirical data. You're either a colossally ignorant and misinformed person who needs to be asking questions rather than making such patently false assertions or you're deliberately trolling.

This is falsified information back up by lies and false assertions. I have found nothing to back these outlandish claims of yours about atheist sending people to work camps and pulling children from there mother's breast. Please do provide me with any hard evidence of these claims if of course there is any.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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You are definitely misinformed. I'm still waiting for you to make one correct assertion of fact. I see it won't be in this post either.

So you're asserting that Jesus Christ and his twelve disciples were responsible for the death of anyone who spoke against their beliefs in the first century, for example... lol.

You're such a troll.

At least you admit that you're filled with hatred to the point of logical, emotional, and spiritual blindness. It's obvious. I didn't really need you to admit it. Honestly, a good dose of that old time religion would do you some good... lolol.

[video=youtube_share;fnowePU8npc]http://youtu.be/fnowePU8npc[/video]


I do understand Christianity , I was a christian for ten years. You are correct I am biased, I do not deny this as everyone is biased about something. However I am not misinformed. Religion has indeed been responsible for the death of anyone who spoke against there beliefs up until about 200-250 years ago. If you could do the slightest amount of research into what I am implying you would see the truth behind it and yes I can honestly say I do personally hate Christianity and any other organized, non organized and superstistouse religion. It dose much more harm to the world that it dose good. If you want an example on this, ask me and I will gladly give them to you.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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No my new hate filled friend who doesn't know how to make a single assertion that's actually true. I'm giving you scholarly empirical data from the world's foremost expert on democide. It's just that you're so ignorant you have no idea what I'm talking about.

At least, you could click the links and begin to educate yourself instead of continuing to make false assertions. You know how to use a mouse obviously. It's the left button.

Here, I'll make it really easy. Read this first: State atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then read these books by Dimitry Pospielovsky (professor emeritus of history at the University of Western Ontario):

1. Dimitry Pospielovsky, (December, 1987), A History of Marxist-Leninist Atheism and Soviet Antireligious Policies, Palgrave Macmillan, ISBN 0312381328
2. Dimitry Pospielovsky, (November, 1987), Soviet Antireligious Campaigns and Persecutions (History of Soviet Atheism in Theory and Practice and the Believers, Vol 2), Palgrave Macmillan, ISBN 0312009054
3. Dimitry Pospielovsky, (August, 1988), Soviet Studies on the Church and the Believer's Response to Atheism: A History of Soviet Atheism in Theory and Practice and the Believers, Vol 3, Palgrave Macmillan, hardcover: ISBN 0312012918, paperback edition: ISBN 0312012926

Be sure to note that parents of children who openly demonstrated their religious faith and/or tried to raise their children in their faith were criminally prosecuted in the Soviet Union, China, etc... and these court cases resulted in the deprival of parental rights with their children being forcibly removed and sent to orphanage boarding schools while the parents themselves were shipped off to hard work gulags usually to serve a "tenner" (e.g. ten years). See:

Dimitry V. Pospielovsky. A History of Soviet Atheism in Theory and Practice, and the Believer, vol 2: Soviet Anti-Religious Campaigns and Persecutions, St Martin’s Press, New York (1988) pg 142-143

^ It's referenced here at Wikipedia: USSR anti-religious campaign (1958–64) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't like Dimitry, there's about a thousand other historians that say the exact same thing with a great many other authors specializing in other historical and geographical forays into state atheist democide, genocide, and persecution.

Once you understand the sheer scope of state atheistic democide, genocide, and persecution that occurred just since the last century; then we'll move on with your new found education to teach you how Christianity has benefited humanity and the world.

One of a great many places to begin that discussion could be with a resource such as the following by Rodney Stark (Distinguished Professor of the Social Sciences at Baylor University and co-director of the university's Institute for Studies of Religion): The Victory of Reason: How Christianity Led to Freedom, Capitalism, and Western Success: Rodney Stark: 9781400062287: Amazon.com: Books

Looking forward to enlightening you my new hate filled ignorant friend (who only knows how to make false assertions so far).


This is falsified information back up by lies and false assertions. I have found nothing to back these outlandish claims of yours about atheist sending people to work camps and pulling children from there mother's breast. Please do provide me with any hard evidence of these claims if of course there is any.
 
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Dom

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No my new hate filled friend who doesn't know how to make a single assertion that's actually true. I'm giving you scholarly empirical data from the world's foremost expert on democide. It's just that you're so ignorant you have no idea what I'm talking about.

At least, you could click the links and begin to educate yourself instead of continuing to make false assertions. You know how to use a mouse obviously. It's the left button.

Here, I'll make it really easy. Read this first: State atheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then read these books by Dimitry Pospielovsky (professor emeritus of history at the University of Western Ontario):

1. Dimitry Pospielovsky, (December, 1987), A History of Marxist-Leninist Atheism and Soviet Antireligious Policies, Palgrave Macmillan, ISBN 0312381328
2. Dimitry Pospielovsky, (November, 1987), Soviet Antireligious Campaigns and Persecutions (History of Soviet Atheism in Theory and Practice and the Believers, Vol 2), Palgrave Macmillan, ISBN 0312009054
3. Dimitry Pospielovsky, (August, 1988), Soviet Studies on the Church and the Believer's Response to Atheism: A History of Soviet Atheism in Theory and Practice and the Believers, Vol 3, Palgrave Macmillan, hardcover: ISBN 0312012918, paperback edition: ISBN 0312012926

Be sure to note that parents of children who openly demonstrated their religious faith and/or tried to raise their children in their faith were criminally prosecuted in the Soviet Union, China, etc... and these court cases resulted in the deprival of parental rights with their children being forcibly removed and sent to orphanage boarding schools while the parents themselves were shipped off to hard work gulags usually to serve a "tenner" (e.g. ten years). See:

Dimitry V. Pospielovsky. A History of Soviet Atheism in Theory and Practice, and the Believer, vol 2: Soviet Anti-Religious Campaigns and Persecutions, St Martin’s Press, New York (1988) pg 142-143

^ It's referenced here at Wikipedia: USSR anti-religious campaign (1958–64) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you don't like Dimitry, there's about a thousand other historians that say the exact same thing with a great many other authors specializing in other historical and geographical forays into state atheist democide, genocide, and persecution.

Once you understand the sheer scope of state atheistic democide, genocide, and persecution that occurred just since the last century; then we'll move on with your new found education to teach you how Christianity has benefited humanity and the world.

One of a great many places to begin that discussion could be with a resource such as the following by Rodney Stark (Distinguished Professor of the Social Sciences at Baylor University and co-director of the university's Institute for Studies of Religion): The Victory of Reason: How Christianity Led to Freedom, Capitalism, and Western Success: Rodney Stark: 9781400062287: Amazon.com: Books

Looking forward to enlightening you my new hate filled ignorant friend (who only knows how to make false assertions so far).

Enlighten me then. Please do so. That was the reason I came here in the first place, to be enlightened on this subject.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I just did.

Enlighten me then. Please do so. That was the reason I came here in the first place, to be enlightened on this subject.
 

penknight

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1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.

You've made a false assertion in your question here. There is a large body of empirical evidence for God including "credible scientific knowledge." You appear to be completely unaware of it. In fact, some of the brightest scientists on the planet are genuine Christians. Large associations of them exist which you may want to familiarize yourself with. Here's a couple to get you started:

Reasons to Believe: reasons.org
Biologos: biologos.org

But I'm fortunate in that I do not have to rely on only empirical evidence as God revealed Himself to me. I have experiential knowledge also in a personal relationship with Him. But it gets even better as I've had the benefit of witnessing supernatural miracles and even receiving a supernatural healing miracle myself once.

2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.

There is and it is. God is at work interacting with humanity personally and when we come together; publicly. If you're interested in pursuing this further, commit for a year to regularly attend some of the more charismatic assemblies of Christians in your areas such as a Vineyard Church, for example.

3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.

Because there was only one in the history of humanity that was sinless. All the rest of us are imperfect. Genuine Christians are spiritually renewed; however, and imbued by God Himself. Unfortunately, the new nature that wants to do what's right and holy is in conflict with our rebellious selfish old nature. But any genuine Christian will progress in sanctification and holiness over time though remain imperfect in this life. Theologically, the formula is that you're justified before God in Christ upon salvation and spiritual regeneration (e.g. the spiritual new birth) at which point you embark on a lifelong process of becoming more like Christ (e.g. sanctification) and finally when you die you receive your eternal reward and glorification. So: justification --> sanctification --> glorification.

4. In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.

I can't speak on your personal experiences but I can tell you that holiness is very important to God and also very important to people's welfare both here on earth and eternally after we die. In scripture we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral license, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's moral law and both practice and realize agape love in their lives."

I hope you have found this informative.
I'm gonna steal your answers.
 
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... and yes I can honestly say I do personally hate Christianity and any other organized, non organized and superstistouse religion. It dose much more harm to the world that it dose good. If you want an example on this, ask me and I will gladly give them to you.
AoK, and others here, I excerpted that part of Dom's remarks, someone who claims they were a Christian for 10 years, so that the upset and anger that is being generated through Dom's presence and persistence in his pov may come to an end.

We're feeding someone who hates us. And hates what we believe in. Do we think we can reach someone who claims they at one time were one of us? And now have arrived here to tell us in our own community that they hate Christianity, and us, by proxy, because we're Christians?

But thank God for Dom. Because with all the threads in these forums that speak of and to OSAS, he/she has provided us an opportunity to understand more thoroughly what Christ taught us.

John 14
 
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jjtj22

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“I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how a man could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.” Abraham Lincoln
 

posthuman

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Astronomers have discovered over 215 planets that remarkably resemble our own Earth. I believe the estimate was that for every solar system in our galaxy there was roughly 5 -10 planets to every 100-200 solar systems that were capable of sustaining plant and/or intelligent life. A metaphor that I personally love, that is used by several renowned astronomers , is that " Saying that there is no chance of life outside of earth is the equivalent of taking a glass and diping it into the ocean, coming up with nothing and saying there are no fish in the ocean."
it doesn't do to talk about things you don't understand as though you are an expert.
by "remarkably similar" you mean that they are probably rocky, and probably exist at a distance from their parent stars such that it's not impossible for water to exist in liquid form on their surface.
the possible existence of water does not equate to the probable existence of life.

saying that "since there are probably a lot of planets, life must definitely exist outside of the earth" is like seeing that the ocean contains a lot of water, therefore if i keep dipping a glass into it eventually i'll find a glass of Fanta Grape Soda.
it's BS



To your statement on the 1st question, I am not denying the existence of Jesus as a man. I am denying Jesus' claim to be the son of god and the exsitence of god himself, the possibility of a supreme ,all knowing, being.

fantastic. now explain how this man spoke such great wisdom, performed such miracles, completely reshaped the history of the entire world, claimed to be God, fulfilled hundreds of centuries-old prophecies, provoked all kinds of people, rich and poor, learned and simple to follow him, against every political religious and social pressure, against logic and reason, even to the point of death?
liar, lunatic or truly who He claimed to be?

it is very easy to sit back in your computer chair 2,000 years later, patting yourself on the back for what a smart boy you are, and declare that "this whole Jesus business is rot"
you will find, atheist or not, that until you drop your proud pretense of humanism, you are never going to understand any truth at all in this life.
you say billions of Christians have faulty brains and are deceived. billions more Hindus, billions more Moslems, and billions more pagans and agnostics and others besides.
what makes you trust your brain in that case? are you smarter than untold billions of people who have gone before you? who tells you that you are? your brain?
pfft. you have no hope; not at all.

may as well take up heroin or something so at least you sense some pleasure in your few short days before you return to the dust.

as for us that believe, we have a sure hope, a salvation and redemption you can do nothing but scoff at.
 
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kennethcadwell

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If you believe Christians have no brains, or are not smart, go to this link I post and you will find a list of some famous scientists who believe in God.
Famous Scientists Who Believed in God