Major issues in reading the Bible.

Yes, Jesus is God. There is no problem. God decided to talk to Adam and Eve and Cain, but due to his holiness he cannot accept sin that is why he wants us to live pure lives through Him and ourselves. Here let me put up a passage from Isaiah to show this. But God only showed himself in a way that would not blind Adam and Eve and Cain when they were exiled from the Garden of Eden.

Isaiah 6:1-8

In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Above him were seraphim, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another:


“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory.”
At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.


“Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”


Then one of the seraphim flew to me with a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with tongs from the altar. With it he touched my mouth and said, “See, this has touched your lips; your guilt is taken away and your sin atoned for.”


Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?”


And I said, “Here am I. Send me!”

Hebrews 12:14
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

I don't see the problem you are seeing. When we get to heaven as Christians we will see Jesus face-to-face like the close personal relationship He had with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, that while we can have a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ our Lord, we cannot see Him that close until we are in Paradise with Him as the body of Christ. God bless. Happy Fourth of July!

The basic rule to read and understand the Bible is next, If people are criticize the Bible and the Gods job and His plans for us, they never to get right to understand it.

Willie T

God is all powerful. While we as humans are limited in every way; our God has "0" limitations.

Do you not think that is God REALLY wanted a way for humans to be saved...He could have created a million different ways for that to be so? But He did not.

It is so very easy to pass the blame for human disobedience, pain and suffering to Adam and Eve; so easy to pass the blame to Satan...but if you really think about it...the way things are, do not HAVE to be the way they are.

If He really wanted to, God has the power to create a billion different ways for us to prove our live to Him, without there being pain, suffering or death. God has the power to create a billion ways for Him to be appeased without the shedding of ANY blood...but He did not.

The conclusion that I came to is not exactly a result from reading the Bible...but believing in a God who could have come up with countless ways to have a relationship with us, which did not involve eternal suffering. But He did not.

Willie; I do not expect for you, as a human to be able to understand or explain why God does what He does.

But I hope you can agree, that as a all-powerful God, with no limitation, He could have created a world where there wasn't even a such thing as "sin", but He did not.

With all of theses exchanges, I think we might be getting closer to a resolution. A number of times you have stated that my reasoning is flawed...and it is not so much that I disagree (because I do not). I have expresses many times already the causes behind my reasoning; but other than reading, conversing with the faithful, praying, holding personal experiences into account...how can I possibly come to a conclusion which is any different?

If my perception is so flawed; because it does not fit in with typical Christian thinking; then it is the same as saying that I MUST think a particular way, and to think any other way is wrong...

You have stated before that God does not want robots, but I think the same way that every other Christian does; aren't I being exactly that?

Ever played on a sports team? Everyone wants to win but have a different position to get to,the same goal...


We are all members of God's Body and have different functions but the same spirit flows through us like blood flowing through our bodies. The holy spirit flows through our lives.

The foot and the hand experience the world differently

Everyone has been really wonderful in sharing with me; from my exchanges with you all, the direction in which I need to go is a little more clear.

I really tend to question things a little too much, rather than just excepting them for what they are; and I guess that is a habbit I need to break.

Also; it is difficult for me to have total faith in a God who I view as being demented...I know I am not supposed to see Him that way; and I guess all I can do is pray on it until...I don't know...somehow I can start to view Him differently.

You have all been great! Thank you very much.

I do not believe questioning is bad. I recommend Lee Strobels books to you. I have found a lot of answers within them

say, Chapel, did you see posts 72, 74, and 77?

I'm just checking, I don't want to be a whiny attention-seeker person.


if you saw them and just don't want to respond, that's cool.
if that's the case, then I'll just wish you Grace and Peace and say Goodbye!