Reasons I am not a good "christian" by CC standards

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I never made the claim to be more loving or kind. You inferred that. That's one of the big issues - people don't take words at face value and they read into them what they want to see. Yes, I rail against some of the membership here, but that does not mean I am saying I am not that. If I want to say something, I say it plainly. There's no need to infer something. Are people so afraid of speaking plainly that we all just go around trying to decipher each other's words instead of looking at them as they stand?

Me kind and loving? Not by a long shot.

I can see how I read it wrong, though I can see how I came to that conclusion, seeing statements posted by you such as "I dont think less of any group you think I should look down my nose at" or "homophobia pulled from Leviticus", its easy to see how one would instantly see your comments as accusing those who follow the word of God as being hateful and judgemental.

But yes, I did miss your comment about how you dont love anything.
 
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This thread is too stressful for me. Nothing is being accomplished in helping one side understand the other.

Each side is carping about the other side not understanding their own side and nobody is understanding what "I think" the point of the OP was, "If you don't like what I say, or who you think I am, deal with it. Don't make a big deal about it."

For the last 11 pages both sides have been making a big deal about not making a big deal about what they think the other side is saying.

I am just going to deal with it by unsubscribing to this thread. Deal with it. Don't tell me how un-CHristian I am because I don't agree with you. Isn't that what the OP was about?

If you disagree with me, deal with it. I don't care because I am going to deal with it by not reading or responding to what you say.
Sounds like a great idea. I'll join you.

I could probably sit here in the corner getting told what for until I'm old enough to take up the rocking chair, but I think I'd just rather not. So, to this thread, I say:

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The Parable of the Lost Son
“But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed him.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’
[SUP]22 [/SUP]“But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet.[SUP]23 [/SUP]Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate.[SUP]24 [/SUP]For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ So they began to celebrate.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]“Meanwhile, the older son was in the field. When he came near the house, he heard music and dancing.[SUP]26 [/SUP]So he called one of the servants and asked him what was going on.[SUP]27 [/SUP]‘Your brother has come,’ he replied, ‘and your father has killed the fattened calf because he has him back safe and sound.’
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“The older brother became angry and refused to go in. So his father went out and pleaded with him.[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he answered his father, ‘Look! All these years I’ve been slaving for you and never disobeyed your orders. Yet you never gave me even a young goat so I could celebrate with my friends.[SUP]30 [/SUP]But when this son of yours who has squandered your property with prostitutes comes home, you kill the fattened calf for him!’
[SUP]31 [/SUP]“‘My son,’ the father said, ‘you are always with me, and everything I have is yours.[SUP]32 [/SUP]But we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’”

Here we have a son who doesn’t know his worth to his Father nor how much his Father loves him; but his Father restores him in honor without ever mentioning “sin” and shows him nothing but grace and love. His older brother becomes jealous and believes he’s well earned his Father’s love more so than his “unworthy” brother; and his Father tells him that he never had to earn his love to begin with. Jesus was proving that Father God’s grace is greater than we can understand.


The Parable of the Two Sons
28 “What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’
29 “‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.
30 “Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.
31 “Which of the two did what his father wanted?”
“The first,” they answered.
Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Jesus is telling us that some may be outwardly rebellious yet they will submit to the Father. And some will be nothing but talk and refuse to submit to the Father.

 
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The parables Jesus told weren't for any particular person(s), they are for ALL of us. For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Those who have come to the spiritual reality that they have no resources left within themselves will hear God's Word, because it is life and light to them.

Love for Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
 
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As I've said in the past - if ever I get the notion to get involved in a relationship again, I am going to save myself the trouble, time and heartache and go find a gal I dislike and give her half of my stuff.
What kind of stuff would you give away? (I'm checking if maybe I should make sure you dislike me. lol)
 
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Now begin my nefarious plans to take over the world! MUWAHAHAHA. I need a real estate agent that can help me to secure a dormant volcano to make into my evil genius lair. I am also accepting applications for a henchman. You need only be able to fetch microwave burritos with efficiency and answer all of my inquiries to you with "yes, excellent one!"
Oh goodie. So if your stuff is good, I'm already on my way to be the gal you dislike. (I hate Mexican food and only know how to heat a bagel and pop corn in a microwave. lol)
 
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And, okay. You don't get the humor. As a woman who has been told I have to wear dresses to church, keep my house beautiful and my hubby "happy," become a wonderful cook, learn how to can and sew, submit to anyone of the male persuasion, shut up until talked to... (
), I really do get that sense of humor.


At least you understood most of what I have said on this thread, and I give you credit for that. However, to suggest that I "don't get" the humor, I object to. And do so respectfully.

The "manifesto" published in the OP was not humor. The individual assertions were an insult to the Godly, loving people here on CC, as well as the Owners and Admins of CC, and to the Church. The OP as a "whole," was a direct insult to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and a "slap in the face' of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, as everything in that "manifesto" was directly against everything Christ taught in His Gospel.

Now, some say he wasn't being serious. I disagree. I think he said exactly what he meant, and exactly how he felt. I found no evidence of sarcastic wit, or tongue in cheek humor. I would certainly appreciate anyone here taking one or all of his assertions and pointing out the humor.

I do not find such statements that discredit the Gospel of Christ to be humorous, nor do I find such insulting assertions directed at pretty much the entire Church to simply be "biting humor."

And, reading through the comments that followed my first comment, what struck me was the hypocrisy being displayed. To reveal this hypocrisy, I decided to do EXACTLY what this person did. Post inflammatory, insulting comments, and disguise them behind a veil of "biting humor." All in all, given the comments I received, I'd say my experiment was a huge success.

He received numerous "glowing responses" telling him what a wonderful, loving, and masterful person he is, and begging him not to leave CC. He also revealed he had gone through all of this once before under another screen name, only to return and do it all over again. How many times are we going to have to put up with this kind of stuff?

I received..............well, folks can read for themselves what I received.

Same "biting humor." Same honest revelation by me of my thoughts and feelings as did he. Yet, two VERY DIFFERENT responses. I have to wonder why?

In order to appreciate humor, humor must be present. Belittling the Gospel of Christ, the Church in general, and the Godly, loving people I have met here on CC is not humor. Again, I would very much appreciate anyone going through the OP and pointing out this supposed "biting humor."
His humor is some of my humor. (That's where I told you what people have told me I have to do.) It is also as serious as it can get.
Posted in the vein of biting humor:...

2. I won't throw the Catholic Church in the trash. Sorry if that upsets you. Deal with it. I also won't condemn the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Mormon Church, the Jehovah's Witnesses, 7th-day Adventists or any other group many of you like to bag on.
At the time he wrote this, there were about three posts on page one of BDF from people mocking the RCC, or one Catholic proselytizing for the RCC. And what did he see? The same people giving the same cut-and-paste as the same answer, despite them being three different questions. He won't do that. Deal with it.

Funny, because I too get tired of it. So what? RoboOp is against the RCC. So suddenly that means we're all allowed to go after the Catholics viciously? That's not hooking our wagon to God. That's hooking our wagon to CC ethics, and they're not very godly, at times, (quite often), either.

He just doesn't know yet the Mormons and JW's get kicked off this site.


3. I don't think less of homosexuals, drug-addicts, adulterers, or any other group you think I should look down my nose at. Sorry if it upsets you. Deal with it.
This one was a direct interaction between him and the one who swears he never uses what anyone says from any other posts to say anything against them. And this too happened on the day after he was attacked for disagreeing on that person's post. (I'd name names, but for some reason that's the line for site-behavior on CC.) When the post had nothing to do with homosexuals, drug-addicts, or adulterers, instead of asking a direct question to YIG, the armchair psychologist attacked him by accusing him of ... well? Honestly I don't know either, but it had something to do with those three types of people, as if it was an "Aha! I gotcha on this one!" moment, when, in reality, any sane person would be left think, "What is that all about?"

Now, as one who wanders across several forums on this site, I did notice the armchair psychologist was thinking he alone was just beginning to realize homosexuals are people, but I really don't follow people around on this site enough to see what's going on all the time. I'm thinking that was, indeed, from some other discussion on another CC forum, and somehow YIG had to have just the right answer or out the door he goes. So, yeah. it does seem clear if you don't look down on just the right people, you are someone to be looked down on.

Instead of going through the hoops and loops I go through, (when I do address the moronicness of CC behavior and how easily it is accepted on this site), YIG, a new guy, (and yes new still, since Lost Sheep was equally as lost on this site as YIG still is, and was only here for less than a month), just started his own thread to laugh at that behavior and tell everyone he's not going to stoop that low.

The humor there is that behavior! He dealt with it. I wish more of us would.


4. I don't throw Bible verses around. Never have, never will. If I want to know what the Bible says, I will read it. If I can make my own point without needing to resort to shoving Scripture in your face, then I will make my own point. Sorry if this upsets you. Deal with it.
Yup! Another subterfuge used as some kind of silly rule on this site. If you don't post just the right amount of scripture in your post, complete with bold, underlines, italics, and multicolored, you don't have what it takes. Your understanding lacks. You aren't "one of us." What you have to say is automatically dismissed. He won't. Deal with it. His humor.

My humor, (equally as biting and serious) is, "Clanging cymbal much?" It really is usually used as a big loud gong to prove someone knows some bible. This immediately dismisses anyone who is still trying to figure out what Christianity is, new Christians, anyone who hasn't taken to memorizing the Bible, or anyone who cannot memorize the Bible. Just one loud GONG sound that folks think proves their Christianese. It is so worth laughing at.

And because this is what he has seen his entire stay on this site (both as his old user name and his new -- and, oh, BTW, my old user name was AtWhatCost, so he's not the first to leave and then return), he said this...

Yahweh_is_gracious;27425405. I don't have an opinion about doctrines. Many of them said:
The last time I checked there were 20,000+ users on this site and yet only 2300+ active users. 90% leave. 89.5% never bother telling why. Mostly because no one listened to them in the first place, so why would they think anyone would listen to them then? (And that's not counting the many who just join to complain about something and then leave the same day.)

You know why this is funny? Because YIG said what most thought and actually got listened to. Be negative and new and everyone is up in arms on how they're being treated.

Funny, because this is how most of us treat everyone. We just don't like being called on it ourselves.

Funny. Also serious. That is biting humor.
 
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Well, given what "choice number one" suggests, it shouldn't be any surprise what "choice number two" is.

As well, "not loving" was ONLY ONE SMALL PART of the OP.

If you KNOW you suffer from such as you describe, why on earth do you post such comments as the OP, and THEN expect people to NOT be OFFENDED? You SHOULD KNOW better than anyone your "struggles," and you should know better than to post such stuff..........yet............you did............and now, oh my goodness, if ANYONE disagrees, well........they are just on a "witch hunt."

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Why in the world are you offended because he doesn't show or understand love like neurotypicals? And where does he say he suffers from Asperger's? It's not an illness or disease. It's a different way of absorbing the world. The only suffering he has is from people thinking he should change into them.

What is there to disagree with? Kind of like me getting offended by people who know how to text. I don't, so they shouldn't?

He says he doesn't love. He's taking care of his father without any help. Ain't that love? It's not like he doesn't love. He simply doesn't express it the way we do. And for this he's attacked? Yeah. I'd be less likely to trust in love too, especially since this is coming from people whose whole life is based on love.
 
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I dont entirely know what it is that your upset about in this post here, but one of the most annoying and frustrating things in this world for me is having a strong stance for something = extreme hatred. As someone who deals with homosexuality, I dont believe any actual regularly active member on this site hates homosexuals. If someone believes that saying homosexuality is wrong is hateful towards those who actively live that life, then they must also share that view towards those who struggle with things like pornography.

I also dont believe its wrong to speak out against unbiblical teachings, for example, if a catholic is praying to Mary the mother of Jesus, I believe it is the right thing to point out that this is wrong, and share what the bible says. Once again, that is not hate.

And not using bible verses in a debate, thats a terrible thing to refuse to do : p If you are talking about the bible, you absolutely need to back it up with the bible. Personal feelings are not a valid argument : p

And you say you dont share your thoughts in order to invite criticism, well you just did that here, this entire post is just that : p

Also, for someone whos making the claim to be more loving, more accepting and all that, you have an incredibly judgmental tone in this post, as if you look down everyone here on CC and are rubbing it in their faces, putting others to shame because they want to do right by God. I do not see you as the kind and loving person youve made yourself out to be here.
I'm disagreeing with your last paragraph. Reread his first point. He has never said, nor will he ever say, he is more loving or more accepting.

And I'm partially disagreeing with your paragraph on homosexuals. I don't think there is a single person on here who hates homosexuals, but I think there are quite a few who avoid them like the plague.
 

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Why in the world are you offended because he doesn't show or understand love like neurotypicals? And where does he say he suffers from Asperger's? It's not an illness or disease. It's a different way of absorbing the world. The only suffering he has is from people thinking he should change into them.

What is there to disagree with? Kind of like me getting offended by people who know how to text. I don't, so they shouldn't?

He says he doesn't love. He's taking care of his father without any help. Ain't that love? It's not like he doesn't love. He simply doesn't express it the way we do. And for this he's attacked? Yeah. I'd be less likely to trust in love too, especially since this is coming from people whose whole life is based on love.

You really need to read through ALL of the comments............just saying.......as well, you really, really need to read and absorb the ENTIRE OP............then check back with me, and we will both laugh at the amazing level of sarcastic wit and tongue in cheek humor this person is a "Master" of............

Anyway............
 

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Seems like you're making the choice to be offended and you're upset people don't see the situation through your lens. That's fine. Maybe if you say it loud enough and long enough people will come around to your way of thinking. You can do that, or just accept that you don't see this as others do and walk away. If you think I was taking a dig at all of Christianity and every person on CC, that is your right to think that. It's not going to affect my sleep if people think less of me based on their own perceptions or interpretations.
Funny, I would say the same thing about you..........amazing
 

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Comment #186, this thread


his is a funny development - let's make a mountain out of a molehill about my statement of "I don't love anything".

Okay.

Two choices available here:

1. Person does some Internet searching and discovers that a large percentage of people with Asperger's Syndrome have extreme difficulty with emotions, both in the categorization of them and in the verbalization or expression of them.

OR

2. Some long-term member goes on a witch hunt. Go get a rock and a duck, and let's all go down to the river and test me for witchcraft and BURN THE WITCH.

Choice #1 is what a rational person does. Choice #2 is more "fun". I get it.

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You really need to read through ALL of the comments............just saying.......as well, you really, really need to read and absorb the ENTIRE OP............then check back with me, and we will both laugh at the amazing level of sarcastic wit and tongue in cheek humor this person is a "Master" of............

Anyway............
Didn't I just display I did read the entire OP... more than once?
 
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Comment #186, this thread


his is a funny development - let's make a mountain out of a molehill about my statement of "I don't love anything".

Okay.

Two choices available here:

1. Person does some Internet searching and discovers that a large percentage of people with Asperger's Syndrome have extreme difficulty with emotions, both in the categorization of them and in the verbalization or expression of them.

OR

2. Some long-term member goes on a witch hunt. Go get a rock and a duck, and let's all go down to the river and test me for witchcraft and BURN THE WITCH.

Choice #1 is what a rational person does. Choice #2 is more "fun". I get it.

LOL
Yeah? I read it. And?
 

p_rehbein

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Yeah? I read it. And?
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You ASKED where he said he had Asperger's.............ok, so, this stuff has run it's course...........I actually hope this guy sticks around. I am looking forward to reading comments he posts on other threads........

Did you really forget you asked where he said he had Asperger's?
 

p_rehbein

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Didn't I just display I did read the entire OP... more than once?
I said ALL OF THE COMMENTS, not just the OP..........is this your displaying the style of humor you say you share with him?

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Originally Posted by Depleted

Why in the world are you offended because he doesn't show or understand love like neurotypicals? And where does he say he suffers from Asperger's? It's not an illness or disease. It's a different way of absorbing the world. The only suffering he has is from people thinking he should change into them.










​Anyway, enjoy...................
 

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Got no choice........... I'm running outta Smileycons........
 

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Some of the most hateful people I know are Christian...go figure