Former champion *atheist* willing to learn
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Anybody is a hypocrite if they do opposite of what they profess. Jesus is about the condition of the heart, not religion, which is mostly manmade traditions. One can be a professing Christian and still be a hypocrite, but that is not what it takes to please our Lord, he wants us to be honest and open to him in all areas of our lives, there is nothing that we can hide from him, he knows everything about us, and wants us to devote the entirity of our lives to him and to his service. He is real and expects the same from his followers, nothing more, nothing less. He gave his all to us and he wants the same in return. I greatly appreciate your kindness and willingness to learn of this man called Jesus, it is the very best decision you have or ever will have made. I love you and God loves you more!!
What exactly do you mean by we? Its only YOU so far. I don't hate jews! I however, have seen at first hand how greedy deceptive racists they are... esp. The ashkenazi jews. They even hate real semitic mizrahi and sephardic jews. Go check for yourself. By asserting that i hate jews due to influence by muslims, you have made a pretty large assumption about a person you barely know.
Iamstuck - You mentioned the difference between Sunni and Shia muslims.
I spent a long time talking to muslims on the internet, before the rise of ISIS.
The one final conclusion that was Islam stood on the principle that religion had
corrupted the true faith, and Islam was the final example of what it meant.
The problem is, it takes a purely legalistic view of the law, the exact letter of the
law, and a view that if you are 50% ok you go to paradise, 49% and you burn in
hell with your skin burnt off, and regrown for eternity.
This creates a society where the focus is appearance, and murder for religious reasons
is fine. And the whole structure is based on a slander, everything else is corrupt.
This is just a propoganda mirage, where most of the faith is just a distration to the core
claim of authority. There is so much stuff that is totally irrelevant to life and the faith,
but fills peoples time and arguments where the foundations are shot to pieces.
Jesus and Christianity are totally different. The focus is simple and direct. It goes to the
heart of the individual and asks, who are you? What really matters to you?
Do you have love and integrity, a desire to find truth?
You could argue even many philosophies have a claim at a similar objective. The big difference
is the cross. The cross shows the heart of the creator, His love that drove Him to the most
extreme end to express this love. Now some call this suicide at the hands of the Romans and
Jews. And in part that is true. But it was to say, the worst that man could do to an innocent,
to the creator, to the source of all, can be forgiven, if the heart changes, if the believer sees
who God really is.
It is in seeing who God is, how life works, how separation from God, choosing our own way
causes sin to grow, to self justify, to do things we wish we did not, to become cold and hard,
empty and selfish. It gets so bad, when God appears as a man, people do not recognise him,
but want Him dead. Imagine meeting God face to face. I know to your religious background that
appears blasphemy, but God through love has made this possible. Think about this idea for a while.
It is hard to grasp, because in many ways it does not make sense unless this is the only way to
save man from himself.
I spent a long time talking to muslims on the internet, before the rise of ISIS.
The one final conclusion that was Islam stood on the principle that religion had
corrupted the true faith, and Islam was the final example of what it meant.
The problem is, it takes a purely legalistic view of the law, the exact letter of the
law, and a view that if you are 50% ok you go to paradise, 49% and you burn in
hell with your skin burnt off, and regrown for eternity.
This creates a society where the focus is appearance, and murder for religious reasons
is fine. And the whole structure is based on a slander, everything else is corrupt.
This is just a propoganda mirage, where most of the faith is just a distration to the core
claim of authority. There is so much stuff that is totally irrelevant to life and the faith,
but fills peoples time and arguments where the foundations are shot to pieces.
Jesus and Christianity are totally different. The focus is simple and direct. It goes to the
heart of the individual and asks, who are you? What really matters to you?
Do you have love and integrity, a desire to find truth?
You could argue even many philosophies have a claim at a similar objective. The big difference
is the cross. The cross shows the heart of the creator, His love that drove Him to the most
extreme end to express this love. Now some call this suicide at the hands of the Romans and
Jews. And in part that is true. But it was to say, the worst that man could do to an innocent,
to the creator, to the source of all, can be forgiven, if the heart changes, if the believer sees
who God really is.
It is in seeing who God is, how life works, how separation from God, choosing our own way
causes sin to grow, to self justify, to do things we wish we did not, to become cold and hard,
empty and selfish. It gets so bad, when God appears as a man, people do not recognise him,
but want Him dead. Imagine meeting God face to face. I know to your religious background that
appears blasphemy, but God through love has made this possible. Think about this idea for a while.
It is hard to grasp, because in many ways it does not make sense unless this is the only way to
save man from himself.
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Iamstuck - You will find among christians many versions of the faith. It is largely because
the focus is about internal battles, and many do not know how to resolve their desire to
reach an objective and then fail. Giving up is often their resolution.
Jesus in His parables alluded to being a King who left tenants in charge. Some get lazy,
and give in to their own desires, while others stay true.
Jesus has always been looking for people who love because they really do know love and
not some substitute. The Kingdom of heaven is about letting your heart express who you
are, because it has become pure and righteous. Again this goal for many is something they
struggle with, and finding the inner light, or streams of living water flowing from their soul
passes them by. But this is the walk through the narrow gate, the walk of life.
the focus is about internal battles, and many do not know how to resolve their desire to
reach an objective and then fail. Giving up is often their resolution.
Jesus in His parables alluded to being a King who left tenants in charge. Some get lazy,
and give in to their own desires, while others stay true.
Jesus has always been looking for people who love because they really do know love and
not some substitute. The Kingdom of heaven is about letting your heart express who you
are, because it has become pure and righteous. Again this goal for many is something they
struggle with, and finding the inner light, or streams of living water flowing from their soul
passes them by. But this is the walk through the narrow gate, the walk of life.
Are you saying you have no understanding of Islam or how it effects your family, society, history?
Or where you born an athiest, and have always thought everything was nature and just evolved?
I for one never had a conclusion, just listened and looked at the arguments.
My family went to church but did not really know what to conclude, and certainly did not know
how to work it out.
And your op is you personally are stuck, and where asking for help to move on.
Is this now not really your objective?
Or where you born an athiest, and have always thought everything was nature and just evolved?
I for one never had a conclusion, just listened and looked at the arguments.
My family went to church but did not really know what to conclude, and certainly did not know
how to work it out.
And your op is you personally are stuck, and where asking for help to move on.
Is this now not really your objective?
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Hi Pete the OP never said he was a Muslim, he is an atheist, now unsure taking a closer
look at Christianity. I don't know why you want to get into a debate with him about the Muslim
beliefs at this point in time. He just suggested that in the past he had been put off by
religious people in the past and pointed to Muslims as one example. Not surprising really considering
his country of origin. It would be enough to put anyone off.
I think it would be helpful if you read the thread from the start then you will see how the
conversation has gone.
Hi Pete the OP never said he was a Muslim, he is an atheist, now unsure taking a closer
look at Christianity. I don't know why you want to get into a debate with him about the Muslim
beliefs at this point in time. He just suggested that in the past he had been put off by
religious people in the past and pointed to Muslims as one example. Not surprising really considering
his country of origin. It would be enough to put anyone off.
I think it would be helpful if you read the thread from the start then you will see how the
conversation has gone.
look at Christianity. I don't know why you want to get into a debate with him about the Muslim
beliefs at this point in time. He just suggested that in the past he had been put off by
religious people in the past and pointed to Muslims as one example. Not surprising really considering
his country of origin. It would be enough to put anyone off.
I think it would be helpful if you read the thread from the start then you will see how the
conversation has gone.
there was no doubt about religion and it being in your face. It is very militant in terms of
Islam and regional dominance.
So when someone knows the detailed difference between Sunni and Shia islam, this is not a
simple western person querying faith, it is much more complex, and motivations are not
necessarily that transparent.
As an atheist, going to school etc. there would have been long discussions about faith,
God, belief and different approaches. The op even claims "champion atheist" which again
is a group I have discussed things with at length. The depths of some of the arguments
here are not even close to strong atheist arguments, so I am puzzled as to veracity of
the claims, it is that simple.
If IamStuck is that bothered, he can easily clear these points up, but exaguration is the
hall mark of a poser not an honest enquirer.
Or perhaps. Someone reads more about every culture than you do, pete. I am not a muslim, niether are my parents. Only some cousins are. Plus the title of my post was carefully put together to remove ANY doubt. Like i said before, don't put your focus on ME. I am just a man. You keep on diverting the whole debate on me. You seem more stuck in your islamophobia than i am in atheism. Worrk it out brother.