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It's biblical. But I don't think it's proper in public schools. Sometimes the tone of voice does better than the rod.
Many misinterpret the "Spoil the child" verse. It should be interpreted to mean that if you spare the rod you will spoil the child.
If you don't think it means that, then what would the following verses mean?: "Do not withhold correction from a child, for if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, and deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 23. Hmmmm.
I'm sure God doesn't mean to be cruel when punishing. We have to use our common sense with love and compassion.
Many misinterpret the "Spoil the child" verse. It should be interpreted to mean that if you spare the rod you will spoil the child.
If you don't think it means that, then what would the following verses mean?: "Do not withhold correction from a child, for if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You shall beat him with a rod, and deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 23. Hmmmm.
I'm sure God doesn't mean to be cruel when punishing. We have to use our common sense with love and compassion.
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Don't forget, Jesus was also setting the stage for what He knew was coming and what He would be going through. Even though Jesus Himself followed the law because His time had not come yet, He still chose certain instances considered unlawful, for teaching purposes. I think the lesson regarding the adulterous woman was to show the law givers their own law breaking and self righteousness.
This is good. I agree. But when they disobey anyway, how many times do you talk to them?
This is good. I agree. But when they disobey anyway, how many times do you talk to them?
Each child is different so they must be disciplined in ways with how they learned best. The system I was raised with was 1-2 warnings and then spanking. Warnings NEVER worked for me. EVER. Spanking was the only thing to keep me in line. Spanking is harmless. There is a difference between spanking to discipline and spanking to injure a child. I was spanked. I lived. I was spanked with hands, leather belts, fly swatters, kudzu vines, switches, spatulas...you name it. When I got to be 16, spanking was stopped and the grounding started to take place. There is a right time for discipline. It is okay to spank. However, using things that leave bruises on your children for more than an hour: that is abuse. It hurts more for the parent to be the discipliner than for the child to be disciplined. I may not be a parent but I have babysat several times. I hate seeing the look on the eyes of children when they know they did something wrong but they need to be taught there are consequences for bad behavior.
Until they hear?
I have a lot of trouble relating to the idea that when Jesus comes back his two-edged sword is anything other than his tongue and his words. God is unchanging, we are told. Covenants typically have gotten lest stringent and violent as man has become more intelligent and God shows himself more, but his 'demeanor' if you can call it that, is typified at its most revealing in how Jesus behaves. When Jesus came, he came with forgiveness, compassion and wisdom. It makes no sense that he would change his character into some barbaric slayer upon his return, after preaching forgiveness for so long.
Proverbs is Hebrew, OT, and thus some of it is violent. Yet we see a many great lawful teachings and violent instructions overturned or negated in the NT by Jesus. It is the matter of righteousness being higher than lawfulness.
Similarly to this, I think that the parent who resorts to hitting the child does so because they cannot think of any other means to communicate with the child; a lack of the wisdom to reach the child; a wisdom that Jesus does not lack.
While no human parent is perfect, it is also true that no child asks to be brought into the world. In my opinion, the giving of life and ultimately the fact that people have to come to terms with eventual death is even in itself enough means to treat everyone, particularly the defenseless children, without violence or violation.
Jesus tells us that he brings a 'sword', then says that children shall rise up against parents, young against old. I believe this isn't a physical rising up, but a moral one.
Our generation, particularly those my age, generally believe in parenting and behaving in very different ways than generations gone by. It is a stereotype, albeit a true one, that families 'back then' tended to be more physical and violent. I, however, do not see that as a wise thing, but a step backwards.
I have a lot of trouble relating to the idea that when Jesus comes back his two-edged sword is anything other than his tongue and his words. God is unchanging, we are told. Covenants typically have gotten lest stringent and violent as man has become more intelligent and God shows himself more, but his 'demeanor' if you can call it that, is typified at its most revealing in how Jesus behaves. When Jesus came, he came with forgiveness, compassion and wisdom. It makes no sense that he would change his character into some barbaric slayer upon his return, after preaching forgiveness for so long.
Proverbs is Hebrew, OT, and thus some of it is violent. Yet we see a many great lawful teachings and violent instructions overturned or negated in the NT by Jesus. It is the matter of righteousness being higher than lawfulness.
Similarly to this, I think that the parent who resorts to hitting the child does so because they cannot think of any other means to communicate with the child; a lack of the wisdom to reach the child; a wisdom that Jesus does not lack.
While no human parent is perfect, it is also true that no child asks to be brought into the world. In my opinion, the giving of life and ultimately the fact that people have to come to terms with eventual death is even in itself enough means to treat everyone, particularly the defenseless children, without violence or violation.
Jesus tells us that he brings a 'sword', then says that children shall rise up against parents, young against old. I believe this isn't a physical rising up, but a moral one.
Our generation, particularly those my age, generally believe in parenting and behaving in very different ways than generations gone by. It is a stereotype, albeit a true one, that families 'back then' tended to be more physical and violent. I, however, do not see that as a wise thing, but a step backwards.
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Hebrews 12
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
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I don't know where 'flogging' came from. I don't think that actual word is biblical for child discipline. At any rate, even though there are no specific examples of physical child discipline mentioned in the NT, the principle still applies.
Mentally sound parents would not 'torture' their children. They are disciplined out of love.
"My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, nor detest His correction; for whom the Lord loves He corrects, just as a father the son in whom he delights." Proverbs 3.
Mentally sound parents would not 'torture' their children. They are disciplined out of love.
"My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, nor detest His correction; for whom the Lord loves He corrects, just as a father the son in whom he delights." Proverbs 3.
If you do not care about these passages it is sad because you should also ignore all the proverbs that speak about wisdom love etc . One can discipline there child with measure not only beating but also banning them from doing what they like.
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even the animals know how to beat theirs and I wonder why
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even the animals know how to beat theirs and I wonder why