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happyface

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#61
All it takes is a simple answer and to wish someone well. Xx
 
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Ariel82

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#62
You'll find people here to talk to, that's for sure. The question I have is, who am I talking to now? You or one of your demons?

You came here presenting yourself as a human who has placed herself into a very serious situation, and asking for help. The Bible is very clear about what you must do to extricate yourself from it. But now you're almost laughing it off, saying "I don't believe in that" and "I'm not going to do this" and such. Basically the human in you asked for help, the demon in you is now rejecting that because it doesn't want you taking hold of the things that could actually force it to leave.

At this point it comes down to two verses - choose this day whom you will serve, and if you remain lukewarm Jesus will spew you from His mouth. It's your choice... YOUR choice, not your demon's. Stop giving them leeway over you.
You're out of line. She is not demon possessed, maybe oppressed. Why bother talking to demons?
just pray and have them cast out.

The hard part is healing the soul after they,leave,

Your words may sound good but they are but clashing cybals because they are spoken without love or gentleness.
 
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Ariel82

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Wow! I mean just WOW!
I'm at a loss for words right now.
I am sorry. So so sorry for forcing you to read my prayer request, for forcing you to respond, and wasting you time.
How incredibly STUPID of me to think I could actually find genuine Christian people on an online site that I could open up to and get support from while I deal with this situation. Nevermind.
The guy is a jerk and probably a part of those fake deliverance ministries. Don't leave just because of him.

 
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Ariel82

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#64
You were tempted and you submitted to it. That's how anyone gets into any sin.

If you had a cancer for 27 years you wouldn't get all serious about it? You wouldn't want it out of your life? Hang onto it as a memento of the past? You either want to get rid of it or you don't. If you do then follow what the Bible tells you to do. If you don't, then (and forgive me if this sounds insensitive) stop wasting our time.

Revelation 3: 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

I think that's where you are at right now. That's why the Holy Spirit has wooed the human in you to come here. But you woo the demon who makes you unresponsive. Christ wants to know, are you in it with Him or does He get rid of you like old tobacco?

I understand about prejudices and not wanting to rock the boat with those you are familiar with. But what's more important, keeping others happy or ridding yourself of a long-term cancer?

I love you sister, but I'm not about to play warm and fuzzy with your demons. They have to go, or you will go with them. And that's seriously serious to me.
How to test if the person is speaking from their flesh and worldly wisdom versus godly wisdom....compare the,amount of you and I is in the post to the amount of times the poster points to God and His power.

Only when we point to the redeeming work on the cross and how God loves and answers prayers,can people truly be delivered from sin, demons and the,lies of this world.

If you point to self and self effort or fake deliverance preachers, you just add more chains of lies to their strongholds that war against God.
 
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Ariel82

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Did you speak your faith in Jesus out loud?

That he died for YOUR sins on the cross and rose again on the 3rd day and will send the Holy Spirit to be your helper and guide.

It makes a difference to confess it with your lips and to be sealed with the Holy Spirit.

God is drawing you into a closer relationship with Him and we praise God for it.
I feel asleep after this post and didn't see you question.

Sorry I should have posted a prayer and some scriptures to guard you from the foolishness of the world which loves to twist what you mean into something warped.

When a person begins to show signs of being drawn to God and the truth of the gospel, demons began to do anything to keep them from completing their confession of faith out loud because their is power in spoken prayers and spoken faith.

If you haven't already, speak your faith out loud. Then the Holy Spirit will descend and change your heart and mind. He is already at work in your life, but the difference is inviting Jesus into your freshly temple/home/body or keeping him on the outside of your life.

I am confident God can teach you His truth and protect your dreams from demonic influence. Even Peter misspoke and repeated the lies of demons which Jesus had to rebuke.

Don't give up. Don't be afraid to pray and God for His help.

The demons will lie and try and chase you away from God or anyone who can help you get rid of them.

When you begin ignoring the lies in your mind,they will begin putting their lies in the mouths of the people around you.

It's a spiritual war and you need help putting on your armor.

Ask someone at your church to do a Bible study about spiritual armor. I knew a good Baptist preacher who could explain it even if his spiritual gift wasn't discernment of spirits.

God bless and keep you.
 
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Ariel82

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#66
Close the door on the demonic lies...confess out loud with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and died for your sins and rose again!

*But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): *that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. *For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. *For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” - Romans 10:8-11
 
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kaylagrl

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It is a great pity when someone comes here to ask for help and members end up arguing on how to help the person. Eventually the OP is ignored and leaves the site with no help. Can we not be mature enough to help the person instead of arguing opinions. My guess is the OP wont be back. Pity.
 
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Ariel82

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#68
She didn't leave because she was ignored. She left because a member attacked her and told her to leave.

But you woo the demon who makes you unresponsive. Christ wants to know, are you in it with Him or does He get rid of you like old tobacco?
The above words are not help but a spiritual attack of someone repeating the lies that the demons are using to drive her away from people who love her and want to,stop her.

They say something is wrong with YOU. It's YOUR FAULT. you wooed the demons.

It's a lie. She did not seem,out the,demonic.

They seek to silence her and make her afraid to go to God for Help.

They seek to make her feel condemned and unworthy,

If you find standing against such things to be wrong, then I will be wrong in your eyes. But I would stand up against such lies being repeated to spiritually bully a child of God.
 
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kaylagrl

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#69
She didn't leave because she was ignored. She left because a member attacked her and told her to leave.



The above words are not help but a spiritual attack of someone repeating the lies that the demons are using to drive her away from people who love her and want to,stop her.

They say something is wrong with YOU. It's YOUR FAULT. you wooed the demons.

It's a lie. She did not seem,out the,demonic.

They seek to silence her and make her afraid to go to God for Help.

They seek to make her feel condemned and unworthy,

If you find standing against such things to be wrong, then I will be wrong in your eyes. But I would stand up against such lies being repeated to spiritually bully a child of God.

I believe the OP has made up her mind on this issue and there is nothing any of us can do to help. She has chosen her own path and until she chooses God there is nothing we can do. Discussion beyond this is pointless.
 

RickyZ

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She regularly PRAISES AND WORSHIPS SATAN. She asked for help getting out from under that curse, and then dismissed what the Bible says you must do. She choses namby pamby feel-gooders instead of picking up her sword and committing to spiritual warfare. She wants her ears tickled, not her spirit set free. And you're right there with your feather duster tickling her ears instead of telling her to get off the stick AND TAKE ACTION.

When someone asks what they should do, and are shown what to do, then dismisses it because it doesn't fit their agenda then they are a false seeker.

Remember, when you ask 'what would Jesus do', breaking out the whip and overturning things is on the list of potential and acceptable actions. Being loving includes a dose of tough love when it is called for. And someone who wants to hang onto her satan worship because 'it's a 27 year part of my life' needs tough love.

What you suggest Ariel is akin to asking our armed services to beat the enemy with cupcakes and mood music. THIS IS WAR, being fought over a human soul. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the battle.

This woman didn't want change. She wanted someone to tell her that what she is doing is OK. It's not. The fact that you find it acceptable is unacceptable.
 
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crossnote

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Not taking sides but I really don't think the prayer forum is the place to battle each other.
The goal is to pray for the ones in need.
 
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Ariel82

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I don't find satanic worship acceptable, but do believe God can touch the hearts of anyone.

So I will leave this person in His hands.

I apologize if I offended anyone and freely admit I am probably wrong about this person's spiritual state as later private messages have proven that she/he is not truly seeking but playing games.

Crossnote you made a very astute observation when the person isn't even able to type that Jesus is Lord and savior and uses instead god. We should pray more.

Again I humbly apologize, to Ricky and others.
 
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Ariel82

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#73

It is a great pity when someone comes here to ask for help and members end up arguing on how to help the person. Eventually the OP is ignored and leaves the site with no help. Can we not be mature enough to help the person instead of arguing opinions. My guess is the OP wont be back. Pity.
I guess we were both wrong about that.

I have decided I would rather be foolish because I thought too well of someone and responded with love. Than chase someone away because I made ultimatums.

But in the end neither say is right, because only God can change the heart and only He can truly give assurance of salvation by the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit.

All we can do is pray and stand with those who truly seek God.
 

EarnestQ

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I was once dealing with an important life decision and after praying about it, I got the impression that God was leading me to think, "It is better to err on the side of mercy than judgment."

There are times for being harsh to someone, but if there is ever any doubt, I believe it is better to show God's mercy to them, rather than submit to our own "wisdom" about whether or not their greatest need at that moment is to know that God is going to judge them.

I am not pointing any fingers because, having not read all the posts, I really don't know the context.

I am just offering a personal observation
that might apply on one side or the other.

(Or to the follow ups from one side or the other.
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RickyZ

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Crossroads is right, there needs to be a way to disagree without it involving personal attacks. With the caveat that disagreement can sound like personal attacks even when it's not intended to. Or when it includes trying to correct misunderstandings people hold to.

I know I am very passionate about this subject and I apologize if I was over zealous in my responses. It comes out of much personal experience (and cost) in this area. See, I don't believe what I believe because some guy on a podium tells me to (and I don't subscribe to deliverance ministries). I'm passionate because I have spent my life working in the streets, and because Jesus has gone waaay out of His way to give me an experiential understanding of these things. I've seen first hand this kind of thing not just destroy families, but actually kill people. Both spiritually and physically. I've seen what it takes to rid oneself of these things, and what happens when they attempt to do so halfheartedly. I've seen people who ask for help yet dismiss all avenues of help presented to them. Like the Bible says, if you deal with these things without being prepared to do what has to be done, the end result is that you're worse off than when you started. You can't approach this kind of spiritual warfare with a mall cop attitude. You have to send in Seal Team 6. They're not warm and fuzzy but they get the job done.

Ariel, your apology is accepted and I apologize to you. I know your heart and desires are in the right place. I'm glad you were able to see that this person was not truly serious about getting free. It bears heavy on my heart that they weren't. But few truly are ready to do what has to be done. And, when one has given themselves to satan worship, they have often in that worship committed the unforgiveable sin anyway.

Trapped, wherever you are, I am praying for you. I pray the Holy Spirit bears on your soul and that you will respond to Him fully and without reservation. The bickering you saw here is only because we all do care about you and your situation, and because our passion to see you freed exceeds the passion for that within you. May the passion to be free grow in you, and may God respond to that within you by surrounding you with the angelic seal team 6. And may we all meet in heaven with hugs and tears and laughter over the situations we get ourselves into.

Amen