why are you still harping about 'Calvanism'? i don't know anything about Calvinism; don't care to; i thought this thread was about God..
Posthuman said:
it's on God's basis. do you think God is 'random'?
let's try this again:
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses,
One of you will say to me:
What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?
What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory — even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
(Romans 9:14-24)
now i know you don't like it, and you'd rather satisfy your own carnal mind than simply respect the sovereignty of God, but that is the answer that scripture gives to exactly your question.
& it's not just Paul saying this:
Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ or ‘Your work has no handles’?
Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting?’ or to a woman, ‘With what are you in labor?’”
Thus says the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and the one who formed him:
“Ask me of things to come; will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands?
I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.
(Isaiah 45:9-12)
and what was the answer God gave to Job?
Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
(Job 38:2)
so again Paul wrote:
“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
(1 Corinthians 2:16)
now will we fear God, or will we tell Him how he ought to act?
forget "Calvin" and forget "post" and forget "SeaBass" and let's examine the scriptures themselves, and what the Word and the Spirit teach. they teach humility before a sovereign God, don't they? or do they teach that God waits on human logic before He shows mercy or compassion, before He judges or reproves? do the Scriptures teach that man knows the mind of God?
do we judge God or does God judge us? here is a quote from a man that they say had a little bit of wisdom:
Be not rash with your mouth, nor let your heart be hasty to utter a word before God,
for God is in heaven and you are on earth.
Therefore let your words be few.
(Ecclesiastes 5:2)
let's try this again:
What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”
It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. For Scripture says to Pharaoh:“I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.One of you will say to me:
“Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?”
But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God?“Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’”
Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?
What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory — even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?
(Romans 9:14-24)
now i know you don't like it, and you'd rather satisfy your own carnal mind than simply respect the sovereignty of God, but that is the answer that scripture gives to exactly your question.
& it's not just Paul saying this:
Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ or ‘Your work has no handles’?
Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting?’ or to a woman, ‘With what are you in labor?’”
Thus says the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and the one who formed him:
“Ask me of things to come; will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands?
I made the earth and created man on it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.
(Isaiah 45:9-12)
and what was the answer God gave to Job?
Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
(Job 38:2)
so again Paul wrote:
“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
(1 Corinthians 2:16)
now will we fear God, or will we tell Him how he ought to act?
forget "Calvin" and forget "post" and forget "SeaBass" and let's examine the scriptures themselves, and what the Word and the Spirit teach. they teach humility before a sovereign God, don't they? or do they teach that God waits on human logic before He shows mercy or compassion, before He judges or reproves? do the Scriptures teach that man knows the mind of God?
do we judge God or does God judge us? here is a quote from a man that they say had a little bit of wisdom:
Be not rash with your mouth, nor let your heart be hasty to utter a word before God,
for God is in heaven and you are on earth.
Therefore let your words be few.
(Ecclesiastes 5:2)