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Who does He tell to depart from Him?
Those who continue to live in sin. What does the Bible call those who can't cease from sin? Cursed Children.Tell me, Do you think you can cease from sin, or are you one of those who can't cease from sin?
Those who continue to live in sin. What does the Bible call those who can't cease from sin? Cursed Children.Tell me, Do you think you can cease from sin, or are you one of those who can't cease from sin?
People who continue in sin do not do works for God. they want nothing to do with God, they will not even go to church, or if they do they stand off, and do not talk much because their sin causes them guilt and shame (I know I have seen it) so no, he is not talking to licentious people. he is talking to religious people like you. who will go to God and lay all your mighty works on the judgment table and say here Jesus,, here is why I deserve salvation.
You also ignored the fact jesus said HE NEVER KNEW THEM. So how could they ever have been saved? Did Jesus lie? If as you are using this passage, he had a personal relationship with them for a time when they were saved, but lost it when they fell to sin, then jesus lied here, because HE DID KNOW THEM FOR A TIME!
i hope your joking here. Here is a question for you, but i think not likely you will answer it. Those in the above parable who call the Jesus "LORD" and prophesied in Jesus Name, and in the name of Jesus cast out demons, which by the way is one of the signs that shall follow them that believe in Jesus, and they did many wonderful works such as miracle and the such, can you tell me if these that done all these things in the name of Jesus THOUGHT they were SAVED? Answer if you will.
Why don't you answer. Jesus said I NEVER KNEW YOU, So they were never saved, but as you say, they do all these things in jesus name, would this not mean they THOUGHT THEY WERE SAVED?
i assure you they thought they were SAVED, They prophesied in Jesus Name, have we prophesied in Jesus Name? They cast out demons in the name of Jesus, Have we cast out demons in the name of Jesus. They also did many not just a few, but many wonderful works, Have we done wonderful works? These who have done more than we have in the name of Jesus Christ are REJECTED by Christ Himself, and why are they rejected? Because they chose to continue to live in sin. i assure you these THOUGHT they were SAVED and Heaven bound, i mean the very questions they ask Jesus tells you they were baffled as to the reason why they were rejected. "Have we not ... Have we not .... Have we not ......" They THOUGHT they were Heaven bound, and yet they were rejected by Christ and rejected because of their sinning.
What is so ironic to me though, is these above in that parable do more in the name of Jesus than Christians of this generation do for Jesus, and they were rejected. YET this generation who don't even do what they who were rejected had done, claim they are still going to Heaven.
What is so ironic to me though, is these above in that parable do more in the name of Jesus than Christians of this generation do for Jesus, and they were rejected. YET this generation who don't even do what they who were rejected had done, claim they are still going to Heaven.
2. They DID those things to EARN salvation, that is WHY they were laying these great works (in their mind) at the feet of jesus before judgment was ever read. A true child of God will understand his fate, and would not go in front of him and start puffing up themselves of all the things they did, They would fall on their faces begging for god to have mercy on them (A fact I guess you can not fathom, because you think you earn salvation by your works and can not see how sinfull you are?
3. Again, your total argument is destroyed by Jesus words. I NEVER KNEW YOU. they were never saved, end of story.
Not to make you upset, that is not my intention, but you really need to read the Word of God more. Read about those who are grafted into Jesus, only to be removed and burned. Or the Scriptures that teach those who are grafted into the good olive tree should be careful else they may be removed (FROM HIM) like the Israelites were removed. You know the branches being grafted in. This is the one of MANY verses which came to the top of my head there are many others.
1. Jesus just declared he never knew people who went to him boasting of all their works
2. You, Instead of seeing what jesus actually did) side stepped the issue and went to a passage where God is talking about cutting a nation of people off, and grafing a group of people in (israel vs gentile) to prove the point that God can cut AN INDIVIDUAL OFF which was not even the context of the passage in question.
3. I NEVER KNEW YOU. these are jesus words, there is no argument.
lol, You only say Jesus would be lying because you are thinking about the Belief OSAS. i mean if OSAS is True, then Jesus kicks someone out of His family then He would be lying right? Right, IF OSAS is True. But as i continually say OSAS is not TRUE. JESUS does not teach that, Jesus teaches that we are grafted into the good tree (HIM) and He also say we can be removed from it, You really need to study the Word of God, Even the parable about being grafted into the Good Tree proves OSAS is false. We get SAVED we are in the Good olive Tree, We are in Jesus, but Jesus said the branches can be removed, and so it is True, what once was a part of the Good Tree (Jesus) can be removed from that Good Tree, as Scriptures plainly teach.
All I am doing is taking Jesus at face value (I NEVER KNEW YOU) the greek word here is an intimate knowledge, the type of Knowledge God only has with his children. Jesus declared once and for all for all the world to see, I NEVER KNEW YOU. Again, end of debate, because there is no debate.
Oh now i see, your interpretation of that verse, which means nothing about what the verse actually says, but your interpretation of that verse supports your OSAS belief. i get it now, and even how you are seeing it, the problem is, your interpretation is in error. Read the passages again, they were NOT denied by Christ because of what the good works that they did, they were denied by Christ because of their sins, NOT the good works they did. What do you think it is sinful to cast out demons? IS that not one of the signs that follows those that believe? Yes it is, so that is a Good work they did, that is not sinful. The wonderful works they did was not sinful either, they are good works, they prophesied in His Name, is that evil? NO that also is a good work, yet they who have done all these good things, were still rejected by Christ, they were not rejected by Christ because of the good works like you are indicating, they were plainly rejected by Christ because of their sinning. True they were bewildered as to the reason why they were rejected when they did so many good things in the name of Jesus Christ, they even called Jesus "Lord" is it not written in the Word of God That no person can call Jesus "Lord" except by the Holy Ghost? Yes, that is written. So these who called Jesus "LORD" and also had many good works they did in the name of Jesus Christ were still rejected by Him, Now you say He rejected them because of their good works. . .. sigh....
But the Jesus is clear why these people who claimed to be Christians were rejected, CLEAR. Because of their sinning, NOT as you say, not because of their many good works, not because they were boasting of their good works, not because they thought works saved them. Jesus Christ plainly told us why these Christians were rejected, because they lived in sin.
But the Jesus is clear why these people who claimed to be Christians were rejected, CLEAR. Because of their sinning, NOT as you say, not because of their many good works, not because they were boasting of their good works, not because they thought works saved them. Jesus Christ plainly told us why these Christians were rejected, because they lived in sin.
See there you go with your one sided thinking again.
If a person was NEVER SAVED, then could they do righteous deeds? or would not these righteous deeds be deemed as bloody rags (sin) because they are caral works? Is not working to gain something a carnal deed? and is this not declared sin?
See your focused on sin, and since you can not see your sin, only your good deeds, you can not see the truth.
again, JESUS SAID I NEVER KNEW YOU. end of debate because there is no debate. Jesus said it, Believe it, or reject it, the rest is up to you.
If a person was NEVER SAVED, then could they do righteous deeds? or would not these righteous deeds be deemed as bloody rags (sin) because they are caral works? Is not working to gain something a carnal deed? and is this not declared sin?
See your focused on sin, and since you can not see your sin, only your good deeds, you can not see the truth.
again, JESUS SAID I NEVER KNEW YOU. end of debate because there is no debate. Jesus said it, Believe it, or reject it, the rest is up to you.
Who is telling you these lies? and worse why are you believing them? The Church i belong to is not a building, is not a denomination, i belong to the Church that is going to be Raptured, that is the Church where every member of that Church LOVES ONE ANOTHER. And if you knew the Scriptures, you would understand that it is not a Church that has told me i am not allowed to interpret, but it is the Word of God itself that teaches interpretations belong to God, word for word. Therefore if interpretation belong to God, then men should not do so, yes? The Word of God teaches that.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
TELL me, is this verse TRUE or FALSE? According to this verse, Holy Inspired Verse, Who gets to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven? Answer is: Those who do the will of the Father in Heaven. TELL, me is it the Fathers will in Heaven that we LOVE ONE ANOTHER? Yes or No? Is it the Fathers Will that we obey His Son Jesus Christ?
Now answer me this, if you are SAVED, and do NOT do the Fathers will, are you still going to Heaven, making this verse void and null if you say "Yes". Let the Word of God be True and what people teach lies and falseness.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
TELL me, is this verse TRUE or FALSE? According to this verse, Holy Inspired Verse, Who gets to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven? Answer is: Those who do the will of the Father in Heaven. TELL, me is it the Fathers will in Heaven that we LOVE ONE ANOTHER? Yes or No? Is it the Fathers Will that we obey His Son Jesus Christ?
Now answer me this, if you are SAVED, and do NOT do the Fathers will, are you still going to Heaven, making this verse void and null if you say "Yes". Let the Word of God be True and what people teach lies and falseness.
2 Those who were never saved, the ones Jesus will declare he NEVER KNEW can ACT LIKE they do his will. but they can not do his will, because they have never entered into a personal relationship with Jesus where Jesus actually KNOWS THEM. all they have to offer is BLOODY RAGS
3. It is not what we do that saves us, it is what Christ did that saves us, Your so stuck on what you do. you can not possibly have any faith in WHAT CHRIST DID.
So go ahead and believe OSAS and do not do the will of the Father in Heaven and see if His Word holds True or if your belief will hold true.
Let me ask you another question that is like the others and is not likely to be answered by those who believe OSAS. If the Bible says and teaches that only those who do the Fathers will enter into Heaven, Does that mean when a person gets SAVED, and they are sanctified, they are sealed, they are justified, that it is impossible for that person NOT to do the will of the Father in everything they choose to do? i only ask that because is OSAS is True, then Once i am saved, everything i do is the will of the Father, because i can't possibly not go to Heaven, i am sealed, i am sanctified. Therefore everything i do no matter how evil it is or even how good it is, doesn't matter i am doing the Fathers will therefore will enter into Heaven.
You need to study Jude, these people who turn the grace of God to licentiousness, whose fate was forordained (hell)
and you need to study what true faith is, No one has faith in someone else. then ignore everything they say, They not only want to do his will, but want to learn more about him, but they HAVE TO LEARN, this takes GROWING PAINs, it takes FALLING DOWN AND SCRAPING YOUR KNEES,
God Forbid. If the Word of God teaches only those who do the Fathers will will enter into Heaven, i assure you with no doubts whatsoever that ONLY those who do the Fathers will are going to make into Heaven, and it does not matter what you say with your mouth, or what you believe is the Truth. ONLY those who do the Father will, will be accepted into Heaven, and this is His Will, don't believe me, believe the Word of God.
1Jn 3:23 And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, as He gave us commandment.
Anyone who claims to be SAVED, and does NOT Love One Another, is NOT doing the Fathers will and will not enter into Heaven, no matter how sealed you think you are, or how sanctified you think you are. Scriptures are True, and what people teach are false doctrines.
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1Jn 3:23 And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, as He gave us commandment.
Anyone who claims to be SAVED, and does NOT Love One Another, is NOT doing the Fathers will and will not enter into Heaven, no matter how sealed you think you are, or how sanctified you think you are. Scriptures are True, and what people teach are false doctrines.
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that is where the legalist like you and the secure person like me differ.
I LOVE because God saved my eternal life, and shared his love with me
Your loving because you think it will save you, or keep you from losing your salvation.
then of course we have the licenteous, who will never love no matter if he claims to believe in God and be a christian or not. Again read Jude, for Jude answers us about these people.