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he states the jews said "not yet 50",,,,but if he was not over 40 then they wouldnt have argued with him(christ)at all becouse he was still too young to teach. so 45-ish?,,,,,may explain the theory to 9bc???
"james was living",,,,which James?,,,
now after that the Christians went north during the Jewish uprising,,,,,so if he(Ignatius) is stating mary,james,john ect. was still there and he(Ignatius) was thinking about going there,,,,,it was around ad67-ish,,,,before the Romans besieged the city.
ken,this is why i was looking at the wording of "stater coin" when we were discussing the copper scrolls,,,,"i was trying to afix a dating standard"
but,pretend in your mind,,you are alive in the year ad54,,,,"the dating of the new testament books",,,,
now bear in mind the first church was converted,,,before the book of Luke was written,,or revalations,,,or 2nd peter,,,or Galatians,,,,ect.,,,,so if someone believes Paul was referring to his own letters as he was preaching "they had not been written yet,or was in the process of being written",,,,,,,,,,,so peter,paul,james,,ect. were always refering to the "books",,,,that were already written when they were born,,,and the Gospels and the epistles they were writing were to explain to the many who will come to rightly divide the scripture preceding them.
"james was living",,,,which James?,,,
now after that the Christians went north during the Jewish uprising,,,,,so if he(Ignatius) is stating mary,james,john ect. was still there and he(Ignatius) was thinking about going there,,,,,it was around ad67-ish,,,,before the Romans besieged the city.
ken,this is why i was looking at the wording of "stater coin" when we were discussing the copper scrolls,,,,"i was trying to afix a dating standard"
but,pretend in your mind,,you are alive in the year ad54,,,,"the dating of the new testament books",,,,
now bear in mind the first church was converted,,,before the book of Luke was written,,or revalations,,,or 2nd peter,,,or Galatians,,,,ect.,,,,so if someone believes Paul was referring to his own letters as he was preaching "they had not been written yet,or was in the process of being written",,,,,,,,,,,so peter,paul,james,,ect. were always refering to the "books",,,,that were already written when they were born,,,and the Gospels and the epistles they were writing were to explain to the many who will come to rightly divide the scripture preceding them.
In Luke it says Jesus was "as if" 30, the word implying He was ahead of His time. Could Iranaeus not be referring to Jesus' maturity "as it 40"? There is still the issue of the Christmas Star in 4BC.
I learned there was a James who lived to be well over 100, and was bishop in Jerusalem. In fact, I think it was you who found the reference. After the Romans destroyed the temple, Jerusalem was polictically kind of like it was 100 years ago. Many communities lived there.
Coins are such a difficult thing. They date an epoch, but are so hard to pin down to a precise date. Just read the dates on what you have in your pocket. All they will prove is that it is somewhere between 2012 and 2016, and we know our calendar.
I agree, Paul was referring to the OT. The first notion of Christian equivalent comes from Marcion in about 150, suggesting Luke-Acts as the appropriate choice. Even though Peter refers to the writings of Paul as scriptures, there was no collection until later.