Did Muhammad really see Gabriel or was it just satan posing as an angel of light?

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mjkhan

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I do not dispute what you have stated since that too in in the Quran. But that does not cancel the fact that Quran rejects the Christian doctrines of the Trinity and the Deity of Christ (called "the son of Mary" but not the Son of God), as well as His atoning work on the cross. Indeed many Muslims are now attacking and desecrating the cross as a recent published article has disclosed. And pushing for Sharia law in all the Western countries.
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You are wrong here.Here is why.
word trinity never came on the lips of Jesus it appeared in church teachgs few hundred years after Jesus.
Jesus himself never said I am God nor he said worship me.Please whow me if I am wrong.
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What Islamist extremists and Wahhabists are doing is following the Quran and slaughtering Christians and Jews (as well as all Westerners). And they call the moderate Musims "apostates" and also kill them. So it is up to Muslims to either (a) go totally extreme and be deported from the West or (b) deal effectively with these evil men who are terrorizing the whole world on the basis of their understanding of the Quran.
ABove that you wrote is totally wrong.Christians are and have been living good life in mUslim countries.Jews when facing death or conversion in SPain left for Muslim countries and were accepted.And also Christians in Byzantine empire invited Muslims to save them from tyrany of christians.
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let me make it easy for you,because I beleive in talking peacefully not throwing insults as I am seeing in this already.
I will become christian if you prove Jesus said I am God clearly,if you show me his gospel(not according to 4 unknown authors written after 50 to 75 years after Jesus)If you prove me that this so called Bible is without any error)if you prove me Jesus came for other than Jews.If you prove me that Jesus and not Paul is the boss of Christianity.If you prove me he died on cross.If you prove me what he meant when he said when he leaves he will send a comforter/advocate who is not Prophet Muhammad.
 

mjkhan

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The mosques which have been planted in the West are being used by rabid Muslim clerics (imams) to sow hatred for unbelievers and encourage their destruction. What are you going to do about that
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For your information,many of these mosques in west are run by converted white Muslims many of them were cleriks before like Imam suhaib webb,Imam Yousaf Estes etc etc.If they mosques were planted these would not have been Imams.
 

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Jesus rebuked woman because he didin't want people to lift humans like Mary to status of God but we can't deny she was a pious woman and mother of Jesus.Quran knew she was rebuked as a sexually corrupt woman,because Jews called her whoreand today modern christians even don't beleive in virgin birth but every muslim believes in virgin birth given to Jesus by Mary.SO it could be deeply disturbing due to some angle that you see but not for Muslims who are strictly monotheists,neither accept Muhammad as God nor Jesus as God.
You cannot claim to know what EVERY Muslim believes, and the virgin birth within Christendom is a given; can you tell me the name of a sect that denies it? The virgin birth explains how Christ could be both God and man, how He was without sin, and that the entire work of salvation is God’s gracious act. Some might see a denial of the virgin birth as a denial of Jesus as the Christ.
 

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ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION THAT IS RELIGION OF INCLUSION,WE BELIEVE IN ALL PROPHETS FROM ADAM TO MUHAMMAD
Jesus was not just a prophet, and Islam seeks to subjugate anyone who does not accept Islam/Mohammed/Quran. You can hardly call that inclusive. Islam is intolerant, and NOT a religion of peace either. It continues to be advanced through acts of terrorism and war, just as Mohammed advanced the cause of Islam through war and subjugation, and taught it ought to be.
 

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You cannot claim to know what EVERY Muslim believes, and the virgin birth within Christendom is a given; can you tell me the name of a sect that denies it? The virgin birth explains how Christ could be both God and man, how He was without sin, and that the entire work of salvation is God’s gracious act. Some might see a denial of the virgin birth as a denial of Jesus as the Christ.
I understand there are many sects in christianity and each one is different.I don't want to go in that because I am not here to debate for the sake of debate.I want to discuss and learn facts.SO I quote Quran.And what Jesus himself said.If you read red letter bible and take out all duplicates in it what is left doesn't contradicts Quran.what is today being taught in churches is ot what Jesus taught.This is the issue.He never said I am God,his gospel is nowhere to be found.Present bible is full of errors.He came only to jews.
 

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Jesus was not just a prophet, and Islam seeks to subjugate anyone who does not accept Islam/Mohammed/Quran. You can hardly call that inclusive. Islam is intolerant, and NOT a religion of peace either. It continues to be advanced through acts of terrorism and war.
NO Islam is the only religion which gives respects to Moses and Jesus.Islam is the only religion that says out of Jews and christians those who believe in one God and do good deeds will also go to heaven.YOu should correct your source of information.It doesn't leave a good impression that you quote only wrong info
 

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Jesus was not just a prophet, and Islam seeks to subjugate anyone who does not accept Islam/Mohammed/Quran. You can hardly call that inclusive. Islam is intolerant, and NOT a religion of peace either. It continues to be advanced through acts of terrorism and war, just as Mohammed advanced the cause of Islam through war and subjugation, and taught it ought to be.
In the bible Jesus is written as prophet but not as God!.Think about it.
 

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after studying christianity,
Jesus said if we are to become true worshippers of God the Father then God would send his Holy Spirit to dwell within us.
Real Christians are baptized (immersed) in the Holy Spirit usually after being immersed in water baptism.
Then we are given by God a wonderful spiritual prayer language - often referred to as speaking in tongues.
This language is not earthly but spiritual and when we pray in tongues we activate the work of the Holy Spirit within
our hearts and souls.
The power of God comes into our lives and we are able to pray for miracles and healings.
We can lay hands on those who are really sick and pray for them to be raised up and healed.

True worshippers have what Jesus refers to as "living water" flowing through them.
Jesus said if we keep his commandments then both He and our Father in heaven would come and dwell within us.
The New Testament describes the Spirit-filled Christian as being the temple of God, and that we are to be holy and pure.
We are in effect born new from above - recreated from sinful beings into becoming more righteous beings through the
power of God that both teaches us and helps us to overcome our human weaknesses.
The Holy Spirit and the Word of God are our armour against the spiritual wickedness of Satan.

https://www.therevivalfellowship.com/
 

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In the bible Jesus is written as prophet but not as God!.Think about it.
That is simply untrue.
Both the Old and New Testaments clearly reveal that Jesus is God who existed before us always and is also the Creator of the
universe and of Earth and us human beings.
Only God could offer himself as a sin offering to God to meet the requirements of The Law -
the soul that sins shall die.

5 And hope makes not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure [perhaps] for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commends his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Romans (epistle to the) 5:
Holy Ghost = Holy Spirit
 

Magenta

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NO Islam is the only religion which gives respects to Moses and Jesus.Islam is the only religion that says out of Jews and christians those who believe in one God and do good deeds will also go to heaven.YOu should correct your source of information.It doesn't leave a good impression that you quote only wrong info
Christianity accepts and respects both Moses and Jesus, so it is not truthful for you to say only Islam does. Muslims have no assurance of salvation. Islam has no teaching on who surely goes to "heaven" unless you commit acts of murder and terrorism for the cause of the spread of Islam, but even then, Mohammed claimed not to know what was going to happen to him in Quran 46:9. I gave direct quotes from your books and you call that false info. Your books do not teach truth, I will agree with you on that. Islam lures young men to acts of terrorism and war with the promise of fulfilling their sinful lusts with multiple perpetual virgins in paradise after they murder others and kill themselves in the name of Allah.
 

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Christianity accepts and respects both Moses and Jesus, so it is not truthful for you to say only Islam does. Muslims have no assurance of salvation. Islam has no teaching on who surely goes to "heaven" unless you commit acts of murder and terrorism for the cause of the spread of Islam, but even then, Mohammed claimed not to know what was going to happen to him in Quran 46:9. I gave direct quotes from your books and you call that false info. Your books do not teach truth, I will agree with you on that. Islam lures young men to acts of terrorism and war with the promise of fulfilling their sinful lusts with multiple perpetual virgins in paradise after they murder others and kill themselves in the name of Allah.
Christianity doesn't believe Jews will go to heaven.But Islam believes any Christian and jew will go to heaven who believes in One God and does good deeds.So how can you say Islam has no teaching on who will surely go to heaven?Then your saying that muslims will get 72 virgins in heaven after killing others is totally false.I have come to conclusion you are an Arab Christian because your hatred spills over in every post but you know what it was this hate that message of jesus couldn't spread in muslims.So you are enemy of Jesus so to say.
 

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@mjkhan
you will never learn by arguing with others on a website.
if you truly want the truth of salvation then start praying to Jesus and ask him to lead you to truth,
and he will confirm the truth by giving you the Holy Spirit of God.
a personal relationship with the true and living God of Abraham and Moses - God in you and you in God.
now that is truth.

please read my post #168
 

mjkhan

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@mjkhan
you will never learn by arguing with others on a website.
if you truly want the truth of salvation then start praying to Jesus and ask him to lead you to truth,
and he will confirm the truth by giving you the Holy Spirit of God.
a personal relationship with the true and living God of Abraham and Moses - God in you and you in God.
now that is truth.

please read my post #168
Yes I am an educated person and believe in being open to learn but based on facts and truth.As I said earlier I believe in choosing not inheriting and what I see on this site that folks have neither knowledge of their faith nor of others(Islam or Hinduism)And immediately become defensive.Now tell me how christianity in your opinion stands out among all faiths?
 

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Now tell me how christianity in your opinion stands out among all faiths?
You should try reading what people post here for your information ...

just above I have two posts #168 and #169
and I have explained again some of this in the above post #174
slow down and read please.
 
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Christianity doesn't believe Jews will go to heaven.But Islam believes any Christian and jew will go to heaven who believes in One God and does good deeds.So how can you say Islam has no teaching on who will surely go to heaven?Then your saying that muslims will get 72 virgins in heaven after killing others is totally false.I have come to conclusion you are an Arab Christian because your hatred spills over in every post but you know what it was this hate that message of jesus couldn't spread in muslims.So you are enemy of Jesus so to say.
Notable scholars and apologists such as Shaykh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, the world's most quoted independent Islamic jurist, and Dr. Zakir Naik, known for his advocacy of "Qur'anic science," have justified the use of suicide bombing in Islam. Opinion polls have further shown that an extremely large number of Muslims from around the world support the practice.

The Quran states that all male Muslim martyrs will be given a "great reward," that is, rewarded with virgins. There are also hasan (good) hadith which refer to 72 virgins as one of the "seven blessings from Allah" to the martyr. The 72 virgins concept is widely used as a way to entice martyrdom. The virgins are described in quite a bit of detail, including calling their genitalia appetizing, and the men are promised eternal erections! You need to educate yourself. This may help :)

That page also says that Orthodox Muslim theologians such as Al-Ghazali (1058 - 1111 CE) and Al-Ash'ari (874 - 935 CE) have discussed the rewards and pleasures found in heaven. Often scholars refer to hadiths that describe heaven as a slave market where there will be "no buy and sale, but... If any man will wish to have sexual intercourse with a woman, he will do at once."

Funny how you call the truth "hatred." You also complained about the fact that people assume Muslims are Arab and here you are back-handedly complimenting me on my knowledge of Islam (which is clearly greater than yours) by assuming I am an Arab LOLOLOL. Any ways, you do not fool me :) You introduced the number of virgins, not me. Try being honest, okay?

Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord attains to eternal life. That includes Jews who accept Jesus, though in truth, in Jesus, there is neither Jew nor Greek, for we are all one in Him.
 

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Notable scholars and apologists such as Shaykh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, the world's most quoted independent Islamic jurist, and Dr. Zakir Naik, known for his advocacy of "Qur'anic science," have justified the use of suicide bombing in Islam. Opinion polls have further shown that an extremely large number of Muslims from around the world support the practice.

The Quran states that all male Muslim martyrs will be given a "great reward," that is, rewarded with virgins. There are also hasan (good) hadith which refer to 72 virgins as one of the "seven blessings from Allah" to the martyr. The 72 virgins concept is widely used as a way to entice martyrdom. The virgins are described in quite a bit of detail, including calling their genitalia appetizing, and the men are promised eternal erections! You need to educate yourself. This may help :)

That page also says that Orthodox Muslim theologians such as Al-Ghazali (1058 - 1111 CE) and Al-Ash'ari (874 - 935 CE) have discussed the rewards and pleasures found in heaven. Often scholars refer to hadiths that describe heaven as a slave market where there will be "no buy and sale, but... If any man will wish to have sexual intercourse with a woman, he will do at once."

Funny how you call the truth "hatred." You also complained about the fact that people assume Muslims are Arab and here you are back-handedly complimenting me on my knowledge of Islam (which is clearly greater than yours) by assuming I am an Arab LOLOLOL. Any ways, you do not fool me :) You introduced the number of virgins, not me. Try being honest, okay?

Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord attains to eternal life. That includes Jews who accept Jesus, though in truth, in Jesus, there is neither Jew nor Greek, for we are all one in Him.
Give me red of Quran where 72 virgin verse is written mr.scholar.Tell me where in Bible Jesus says I m God or worship me.Tell me where is gospel according to Jesus?Tell me why Bible has so many errors( books written by Christian Bible scholars)Tell me how come Paul who never met Jesus has entered his contradictions in Bible.You are a christian scholar so you should be able to tell or else to me you are like pastor who can't reply and get offended and are causing more and more Christian's to leave christianity to atheism?The fastest growing sect of christianity.
 
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Give me red of Quran where 72 virgin verse is written mr.scholar.Tell me where in Bible Jesus says I m God or worship me.Tell me where is gospel according to Jesus?Tell me why Bible has so many errors( books written by Christian Bible scholars)Tell me how come Paul who never met Jesus has entered his contradictions in Bible.You are a christian scholar so you should be able to tell or else to me you are like pastor who can't reply and get offended and are causing more and more Christian's to leave christianity to atheism?The fastest growing sect of christianity.
Anyone who "leaves" Christianity was never a born again Christian, but Christian in name only, likely through being brought up in a Christian home, which may itself only been nominal (in name only). Many such atheists identify as such, since Catholicism is quite wide-spread, but then they will turn around and make such senseless claims as "Hitler was a Christian" simply because he was brought up in a Christian household. Do you see the contradiction? Atheists are senseless, irrational, and illogical like that, though they like to believe themselves superior to anyone of faith, in those very ways.

Oh, you think I am a scholar, do you? Why, thank you, Mister Muslim. You know, the whole Bible is the good news of God (the gospel of Jesus Christ). Jesus was foretold of in early Genesis, and Abraham was promised descendants more numerous than the stars in the sky or grains of sand on the beach... spiritual descendants. Jesus came through Isaac, the child of promise, not Ishmael, as Islam falsely teaches. Mohammed is a false prophet.

Have you read the Bible? Try reading John, if you can. John chapter ten explains why the Jews wished to stone Him. You have no understanding of Jesus' claim to divinity, but the people of His time knew exactly what He was saying, which is why they wanted to stone Him for blasphemy. 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” I know you do not accept historical accounts though. You have proved that many time to me already. And you do not respond with facts, or reasoned discussion as you claim to prefer, but diatribes.

You want to make God acceptable to you instead of making yourself acceptable to God. I suggest you pray, humbly. God has promised to reveal Himself to those who sincerely seek Him.

"Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age" Qur'an 78:31-33

Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' " Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39
 
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Anyone who "leaves" Christianity was never a born again Christian, but Christian in name only, likely through being brought up in a Christian home, which may itself only been nominal (in name only). Many such atheists identify as such, since Catholicism is quite wide-spread, but then they will turn around and make such senseless claims as "Hitler was a Christian" simply because he was brought up in a Christian household. Do you see the contradiction? Atheists are senseless, irrational, and illogical like that, though they like to believe themselves superior to anyone of faith, in those very ways.

Oh, you think I am a scholar, do you? Why, thank you, Mister Muslim. You know, the whole Bible is the good news of God (the gospel of Jesus Christ). Jesus was foretold of in early Genesis, and Abraham was promised descendants more numerous than the stars in the sky or grains of sand on the beach... spiritual descendants. Jesus came through Isaac, the child of promise, not Ishmael, as Islam falsely teaches. Mohammed is a false prophet.

Have you read the Bible? Try reading John, if you can. John chapter ten explains why the Jews wished to stone Him. You have no understanding of Jesus' claim to divinity, but the people of His time knew exactly what He was saying, which is why they wanted to stone Him for blasphemy. 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” I know you do not accept historical accounts though. You have proved that many time to me already. And you do not respond with facts, or reasoned discussion as you claim to prefer, but diatribes.

You want to make God acceptable to you instead of making yourself acceptable to God. I suggest you pray, humbly. God has promised to reveal Himself to those who sincerely seek Him.

"Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age" Qur'an 78:31-33

Abu Umama narrated: "The Messenger of God said, 'Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 72 wives; two of them are houris and seventy of his inheritance of the [female] dwellers of hell. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he will have an ever-erect penis.' " Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd (Book of Abstinence) 39
1)Show me where in Bible Jesus says "I am God" or "worship me"2)Show me "Gospel according to Jesus"3)Show me a bible without errors4)Show me where Jesus said himself "I came for all mankind and not Jews alone"5)Paul never met Jesus yet he was able to inject his contradictions over and above of Jesus.........And bonus question for you show me where in Quran is written a Muslim martyr will get 72 virgins?Sadly christianity as practiced today is not according to what Jesus taught.