Did Muslims borrow some things from Christianity?

[kaylagrl]

To the OP Allah that the Muslims serve and the Jewish/Christian God/Yahweh are not the same.Many are trying to twist this truth to make the Muslim faith more acceptable.They do not believe in Jesus Christ the way Christians do.They do not believe Jesus died but that Allah simply took him to heaven.Yes the Muslims have borrowed from the Bible.But they believe the Holy Bible has been corrupted and that mohammed had the true revelation.The Muslims trace their linage back to Ishmael in the Bible and therefore a descendant of Abraham. But their religion is a false belief.

 

[Musa]

Mohammed is only the last prophet of Shi'ite Islam. Sunni Islam believes that there will be a great prophet in the line of Hussein who will usher in the coming of Mahdi. Wahabi Islam believes that the great prophet will actually be the Mahdi.

By the way, Sufi Islam believes that Jesus will actually be the Mahdi (reason why Sufiism is often despised by the other sects) though those who have studied the Sufis will also know that they taught the three-fold path, The Law, The King, and The Way (in essence one can be saved by Judaism (the Law), Christianity (the King), and Islam (the Way)).

Last time, I heard a amazing British unlearned man say Prophet(SAW) is actually Irish migrant, which made me laugh. And I do not see this thing as a better joke than that. But I want to say my old saying, "Who are you Christians trying to fool?" Because all Muslims know you are not right.
But on that note, I will give you a few knowledge of Islam. 1. there is no such a thing called Shi'ite, I think you probably mean Shia. One thing I want to clarify, there is no such thing called Shia Islam or Sunni Islam, and Sufi is not Islam. They are people who following, Shia teaching, Wahabi teaching or Sunni teaching. And you put Sunni and Shia other way around. People who follow Sunni teaching(Like myself) believe in Muhammad(SAW) as the final messenger of prophet of God, it is the same with Shia and Wahabi teaching. However the difference is Shia believes that Hussein should have been the Khalifa(Khalifa is a leader of Islam after Prophet(SAW) not a prophet, I can not explain what is actually means, because I am only a student of Isla(means Islamic knowledge). So you can go online and search what Khalifa is). And about Mahdi, funny you mentioned him though, he is a descendant of Prophet(SAW), And all three teaching believe the exact same thing about him. I wouldn't explain in detail, I just simply gonna say it is not just Mahdi, but Imam Mahdi. You know what I mean if you know the basic Islamic knowledge.

 

[Musa]

الله= “allah”

“allah” definition:

Written with the disjunctive alif, meaning God, i.e. the only true god, according to the most correct of the opinions respecting it.It is a proper name to the Being who exists necessarily, by Himself, comprising all of the attributes of perfection; a proper name denoting the true god (TA), comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all of the essences of existing things; the “al” being inseparable from it; not derived.It comes from the root “ilaha”, which means he served, worshipped, or adored; to adore, worship, deify any one,call any one god. He was, or became, confounded, or perplexed, and unable to see his right course.An object of worship or adoration; i.e. a god, a deity; anything that is taken as an object of worship or adoration, according to him that takes it as such.It signifies the goddess; and particularly the serpent; because it was a special object of worship of some of the ancient Arabs; or the great serpent; and the new moon.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 82 - 83
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 28 - 29


Key points:

• Observe the revealing definition for “allah”, that is given by Lane...“i.e. the only true god”
• Lane is referencing a very specific example in his definition by his illustrated example (i.e.)
• It is abundantly clear that he is referencing a “god” (lower case) to represent the “allah” of the Koran
• To re-enforce the fact that the “allah” of the Koran is no more than a “god”, and to erase any notion of error, Lane repeats his very same remarks a few lines farther down in his lexical definition for “allah”, by referencing a separate entry – this time from the legendary “Ta’j el-‘Aroos” (TA)
• (TA “a proper name denoting the true god, comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all the essence of existing things”
• Further, “allah” is derived from the root “ilaha”, which means “he was, or became, confounded, or perplexed, and unable to see his right course”
• This would hardly seem a logical definition for true deity
• “ilaha” also means “an object of worship or adoration; i.e. a god, a deity; anything that is taken as an object of worship or adoration, according to him who takes it as such”…which signifies idolatry as mentioned in Revelation
• “ilaha” also signifies the goddess; and particularly the serpent; because it was a special object of worship of some of the ancient Arabs; or the great serpent; and the new moon

Clearly…

The god of the Koran is no more than a pagan Arab god dressed-up to look like the Biblical God.

Can we say Satan...?









Any Jew or Christian that uses the term Allah when referring to the God of the Holy Bible, uses the term as a translation of the original Hebrew and Greek, only.

Does the 'allah' that you worship have an only begotten Son named Jesus Christ, as does the Christian that uses the very same term?

Didn’t think so…

I have to agree you did not give a bad approach in term of explain your point, but you have to know, EXPLAIN IS NOT PROVE. And it is quite clear you got it from internet, because you did not know the difference between Allah(SWT) and the Arabic word "alah" which means any god. It is the same as Arabic's sister language Hebrew, where you have the word "Elohim" the God and "elah" any god.
Secondly, you do not know what the word "ilaha" means so I am not gonna say anything on that.
Thirdly, you do not just have a lack of knowledge in Islam, in addition to that, you do not know about Christianity either. It was claimed by the author of RSV(the most authentic Bible existing now, still have many defects)-32 CHRISTIAN scholar of the HIGHEST eminent backed up by 50 Christian donomination. They say: the word "begotten" in John 3:!6 which brother did not give the reference to, is a FABRICATION, a CONGOCTION, an INTERPRETION. So they threw it out of the Bible. And I am not going to go on, even though there are much more, I do not want to waste my time.

 

[Ukorin]

Clarify or distort?
Did Mohammad clarify Jesus's teachings, or distort them.
Muslims say clarify. Christians say distort.
As a Christian, I say distort.

 

[Bowman]

I have to agree you did not give a bad approach in term of explain your point, but you have to know, EXPLAIN IS NOT PROVE.

Defining the term is the most basic premise.

We can provide ayat to back up the definition.

And it is quite clear you got it from internet, because you did not know the difference between Allah(SWT) and the Arabic word "alah" which means any god. It is the same as Arabic's sister language Hebrew, where you have the word "Elohim" the God and "elah" any god.

Not from the internet...and not hardly the same terms...

Secondly, you do not know what the word "ilaha" means so I am not gonna say anything on that.

That is because you don't have a clue...

Thirdly, you do not just have a lack of knowledge in Islam, in addition to that, you do not know about Christianity either.

That's a pretty canned reply.

What does 'islam' have to do with the Koran in the first place?

It was claimed by the author of RSV(the most authentic Bible existing now, still have many defects)-32 CHRISTIAN scholar of the HIGHEST eminent backed up by 50 Christian donomination. They say: the word "begotten" in John 3:!6 which brother did not give the reference to, is a FABRICATION, a CONGOCTION, an INTERPRETION. So they threw it out of the Bible. And I am not going to go on, even though there are much more, I do not want to waste my time.

You can do better than meritless assertions.

Just deal with the fact that you know next to nothing regarding your Koran....just like all followers of islam.

 

[ThomistColin]

Because all Muslims know you are not right.
1. there is no such a thing called Shi'ite, I think you probably mean Shia. One thing I want to clarify, there is no such thing called Shia Islam or Sunni Islam, and Sufi is not Islam. They are people who following, Shia teaching, Wahabi teaching or Sunni teaching. And you put Sunni and Shia other way around. People who follow Sunni teaching(Like myself) believe in Muhammad(SAW) as the final messenger of prophet of God, it is the same with Shia and Wahabi teaching. However the difference is Shia believes that Hussein should have been the Khalifa(Khalifa is a leader of Islam after Prophet(SAW) not a prophet,

May I ask three questions that truly a "student" of history of Islam can answer?

1. If there is no Sunni and Shi'ite...then why do they call each other apostate and heretic? (Not today...then...when the split happened and they called for the other's blood)
2. If Sufi is not Islam, then why do Muslims claim the likes of Salah al-Din and Mamluk II and Ossman I as Muslim when all of them were Sufi?
3. What is the primary difference between a Shia Caliph and a Sunni Caliph? What extra powers or position does one hold while the other does not?

 

[PeteWaldo]

Boiling it down Allah is Yahweh, correct me if I'm wrong.. And all religions come from same thing,.....

You asked us for correction so..... your opening premise wrong.
How could all religions come from the same thing, when Muslims must deny that Christ was crucified, and thereby must reject the sin atoning blood of the sacrifice of the Lamb of God - the whole subject of the Gospel - and Muslims must deny and blaspheme the Son of God, all as articles of your faith in Muhammad alone.
THE FALSE PROPHET MUHAMMAD

Thus Islam is the very definition of antichrist. Islam is to the Gospel, as the negative is to a photograph. Muhammad and each and every one of his followers are specifically and necessarily antichrist, as an article of their faith in THE false prophet Muhammad alone.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous![/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]

The scriptures which introduce and define the term, are clear about what an antichrist is:[/FONT]
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1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].[/FONT]
IS ISLAM ANTICHRIST?

......christanity as not took or give any concept of anything to the Muslim religion, bbc should stand for British brainwashing company, if bbc news said they found a horse with 6 legs and 2 tails the public would belive it, public belive everything the news says.
Islam goes back to Kaaba the black cube or square, well the Kaaba goes back to the God ......

In order to make that claim, there would first have to be some evidence that suggests that Mecca ever existed before immigrants from Yemen initially settled the area, in around the 4th century AD. I have inquired in Muslim forums ad nauseum, and not a single Muslim has presented a shred of historical or archaeological evidence, that suggests Mecca ever existed before the Christian era. That is except for the nonsense they parrot from lying, deceiving, Greek sophist styled entertainers like Ahmed Deedat, his self-described disciple Zakir Naik and Yusuf Estes peddle.
HISTORICAL CLAIMS REGARDING MECCA

No my friend, the Kaaba goes back to the Quraish pagans, who built it in the 5th century for Arabian moon, sun, star and jinn-devil worship.
THE HAJJ AND UMRAH

Sahih Muslim Book 007, Number 3078: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger may peace be upon him) said to me: Had your people not been unbelievers in the recent past (had they not quite recently accepted Islam), I would have demolished the Ka'ba and would have rebuilt it on the foundation (laid) by Ibrahim; for when the Quraish had built the Ka'ba, they reduced its (area), and I would also have built (a door) in the rear.
THE HAJJ AND UMRAH

 

[PeteWaldo]

Boiling it down Allah is Yahweh, correct me if I'm wrong.

Almost forgot to address this, and no, it couldn't be more wrong, in spite of the tragedy of the use of the Arabian pagan's name "Allah" in some Arabic language Bibles. But not all Arabic language Bibles:
What happened to Allah?

Let alone that there is no physical evidence that suggests the Arabic language existed before about the 3rd century AD.

Quoting from first language Arabic Dr. Rafat Amari's 20-year full-time study of Islam and Arabian history and archaeology, "Islam: In Light of History", on the etymology of the name "Allah":

"We know that the term 'Allah,' as the god of the moon, was derived from the Thamud god of the moon. His name was Hilal, or Hlal, which means 'crescent.' Later, the name 'Hilal' became Hilah, as we see in many inscriptions which were found in Arabia. In the Thamud inscriptions he is found as H-ilah, Ha-ilah and H-alah. We see the same development for 'Hilah,' the moon deity in Yemen, where Almaqah is called 'Halal,' or 'Hilal, the Crescent.'

Safaitic tribes were nomads wandering in many parts of Arabia, especially in the north. The god of the moon was found in their inscriptions as 'H-lah.' in the Safaitic inscriptions, the letter 'H' pronounced as 'Ha' is the definite article, 'the.' It corresponds to the Arabic, 'Al.' This led the Arabians to call him 'Al-lah.'"
THE NAME "ALLAH"

So it should not be a surprise to learn that prior to Muhammad some Mandaean and/or Harranian, Sabians, "fasted" by day during the month that began and ended with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky. "Ramadan was originally an annual ritual performed at the city of Harran."
THE ORIGIN OF RAMADAN

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Hmm, interesting feedback, I've had a chance to go over everything. Thank you for your responses, I had my questions answered as well as some touches on other equally related topics of importance. A quick read of the banned person(s) ridiculous approach has insinuated a bit of rather false teaching, bickering, and intended puns. In complete perspective of this thread though I am satisfied with the outcome.

 

[pwrnJC]

And all of this amounts to what? Let me try to understand, please. You have a lot of head knowledge of what muslims believe. Ok...bu yet you never speak of your eternal life...which is the life you have after your earthly life has expired. NO amount of teaching that you have mentioned will put you into a relationship with JESUS CHRIST. While hell is burning around you, you will have time to think about this info you just put on the internet. When you do, ask yourself..."Where is muhammad?"..oh, there he is...screaming out in pain and apologizing to all who believed him as a prophet.

 

[WhiteWolfOfTheBlackForest]

الله= “allah”

“allah” definition:

Written with the disjunctive alif, meaning God, i.e. the only true god, according to the most correct of the opinions respecting it.It is a proper name to the Being who exists necessarily, by Himself, comprising all of the attributes of perfection; a proper name denoting the true god (TA), comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all of the essences of existing things; the “al” being inseparable from it; not derived.It comes from the root “ilaha”, which means he served, worshipped, or adored; to adore, worship, deify any one,call any one god. He was, or became, confounded, or perplexed, and unable to see his right course.An object of worship or adoration; i.e. a god, a deity; anything that is taken as an object of worship or adoration, according to him that takes it as such.It signifies the goddess; and particularly the serpent; because it was a special object of worship of some of the ancient Arabs; or the great serpent; and the new moon.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 82 - 83
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 28 - 29


Key points:

• Observe the revealing definition for “allah”, that is given by Lane...“i.e. the only true god”
• Lane is referencing a very specific example in his definition by his illustrated example (i.e.)
• It is abundantly clear that he is referencing a “god” (lower case) to represent the “allah” of the Koran
• To re-enforce the fact that the “allah” of the Koran is no more than a “god”, and to erase any notion of error, Lane repeats his very same remarks a few lines farther down in his lexical definition for “allah”, by referencing a separate entry – this time from the legendary “Ta’j el-‘Aroos” (TA)
• (TA “a proper name denoting the true god, comprising all the excellent divine names; a unity comprising all the essence of existing things”
• Further, “allah” is derived from the root “ilaha”, which means “he was, or became, confounded, or perplexed, and unable to see his right course”
• This would hardly seem a logical definition for true deity
• “ilaha” also means “an object of worship or adoration; i.e. a god, a deity; anything that is taken as an object of worship or adoration, according to him who takes it as such”…which signifies idolatry as mentioned in Revelation
• “ilaha” also signifies the goddess; and particularly the serpent; because it was a special object of worship of some of the ancient Arabs; or the great serpent; and the new moon

Clearly…

The god of the Koran is no more than a pagan Arab god dressed-up to look like the Biblical God.

Can we say Satan...?









Any Jew or Christian that uses the term Allah when referring to the God of the Holy Bible, uses the term as a translation of the original Hebrew and Greek, only.

Does the 'allah' that you worship have an only begotten Son named Jesus Christ, as does the Christian that uses the very same term?

Didn’t think so…

The Jews used the name 'El' to refer to their God - this predates Judaism to other Pagan cultures as well, even the Father God among the Caananites was referred to as 'El'

Allah is a cognate word, more so then a name.

'Al' meaning 'the' and 'ilah' meaning 'god'

Just like how Jesus referred referred to God as Elah in Aramaic - 'El' meaning 'God' and 'ha' meaning 'the'

Allah and Elah.... wow.... I guess Jesus was referring to a Pagan Arab god.

 

[Bowman]

The Jews used the name 'El' to refer to their God - this predates Judaism to other Pagan cultures as well, even the Father God among the Caananites was referred to as 'El'

Allah is a cognate word, more so then a name.

'Al' meaning 'the' and 'ilah' meaning 'god'

Just like how Jesus referred referred to God as Elah in Aramaic - 'El' meaning 'God' and 'ha' meaning 'the'

Allah and Elah.... wow.... I guess Jesus was referring to a Pagan Arab god.

Nope.......

 

[WhiteWolfOfTheBlackForest]

Nope.......

Yes.

You are referencing as your sources

An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 82 - 83
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 28 - 29

You must release that Arabic is a language that was developed from Aramaic after introducing it from traders traveling through the region. The earliest Arabic script dating back from AD 512-568 The first Quran by historical evidence was actually compiled in Aramaic before Arabic. Now look at this timeline from when Arabic rapidly expanded as a language in 600-700 AD.

Now look at when Elah in Aramaic was used - in the current Torah, or 'old testament' it is first referenced in Deuteronomy 32:15.

Would you look at that? It was used in the times of Moses before Arabic even existed and before English even existed!

Oh snap! I guess it just outdated your English dictionary built upon the Arabic dictionary

Not to mention that in Aramaic the meaning of 'Elah' means Awesome or Greatest one in reference to the One God. Does that not line up with Arabic Allah when Allah is exclaimed to be the greatest?

 

[kgraj]

We are all children of God , created by one God, Blessed by one God. Our journey is short on this planet. Ask God to reveal himself . he will speak to you.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Eh, whatever the matter I don't think just because it's commonly used in Islam that it's cool to use. I wouldn't use Allah for the name of God, just like I wouldn't use Yehoshua or the many variations and mixtures people use in place of Yahweh, and Jehovah, which I would use.

 

[Vigil]

I have a room-mate who is living with me who says he is muslim, though he also admits he is not "really" a muslim cause he doesnt pray 5 times a day etc. However he does have a quarran and based upon what he's told me and what I have skimmed through A LOT of the quarran is mostly complaining about how bad the jews are. No i'm serious, A LOT of it IS really just complaining about the Jews and how evil they are supposedly.

 

[Vigil]

Also interestingly enough Muslims also see Jesus as the holiest prophet and believe in his return, they even think he is holier than Muhammed, they just don't believe he is The Son of God which is their fatal flaw.

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Yeh, that does sound interesting cause they do seem to have a passionate hate for the Jewish people, sorta like Obama, and to (your) post № 2, maybe it's because of what Muhammad said about Jesus, someone mentioned earlier in this thread some of the things he said. Maybe I might take a gander at that there Koran, but that's after I finish with the OT.

 

[kedge]

Even the authors of the Koran knew that Jesus is God.

Really?, Jesus died so did God die then?.

 

[Bowman]

Yes.

You are referencing as your sources

An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 82 - 83
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 28 - 29

You must release that Arabic is a language that was developed from Aramaic after introducing it from traders traveling through the region. The earliest Arabic script dating back from AD 512-568 The first Quran by historical evidence was actually compiled in Aramaic before Arabic. Now look at this timeline from when Arabic rapidly expanded as a language in 600-700 AD.

Now look at when Elah in Aramaic was used - in the current Torah, or 'old testament' it is first referenced in Deuteronomy 32:15.

Would you look at that? It was used in the times of Moses before Arabic even existed and before English even existed!

Oh snap! I guess it just outdated your English dictionary built upon the Arabic dictionary

Not to mention that in Aramaic the meaning of 'Elah' means Awesome or Greatest one in reference to the One God. Does that not line up with Arabic Allah when Allah is exclaimed to be the greatest?

Please provide a verifiable reference...