I am both a Christian and a Muslim.

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Tintin

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I am sure if they believe in Christ, they do not support Islam. We are not to judge. You can be a Muslim and believe in Christ
as your savior. I have talked to a few that have. I would love to talk to more.
No, I don't believe you can be. Do you even know what a Muslim is? I have friends who were raised in the Hindu and Sikh faiths and they're now Christians. They're not Hindu Christians or Sikh Christians but ex-Hindus and ex-Sikhs, now Christ followers (Jesus is no longer just part of their original pantheon of gods and goddesses - He's their only God). You can't split hairs, Muslims belong to the Islamic faith.
 
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Woe unto me or anyone who goes against the Holy Spirit! With God all things are possible.

God knows AziziLoveChrist's heart, as He does mine. God's will be done. Hallelujah!
even muhammed believe in the Holy spirit !
Say (O Muhammad) : The holy Spirit hath delivered it from thy Lord with truth, that it may confirm (the faith of) those who believe, and as guidance and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah)
surah 16:102
http://www,quran.com/16/102
 
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Muslims believe Jesus to be a prophet, not the Son of God. So I would say that there should be verification as to how they regard of Jesus, to which if one claims to be Muslim then I'm sure they regard Him as such of a prophet.
 

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This forum is for Arabs receiving persecution, seeking Christ, to ask questions and fellowship with others.
 
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Muslims believe Jesus to be a prophet, not the Son of God. So I would say that there should be verification as to how they regard of Jesus, to which if one claims to be Muslim then I'm sure they regard Him as such of a prophet.
Jesus called himself as a prophet ! if you don't like it read it by your eyes !
Mark 6:4
Then Jesus told them, " A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family .!
Matthew 21:11
The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee."
 
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Heres a few verses showing him as the Son of God, even speaks of the Son in the OT, there is also some verses from the Qur'an against the same.

1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son
of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Or this one is a liar


1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist , that denieth the Father and the Son.


2John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:


Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


2John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.


Islam denies the Father and the Son:


The Christians say
:The Messiah
is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; (Sura 9:29)

However, after asking his disciples who men say that I am, Jesus asked His own disciples who they say he is...


Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.


Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father whichis in heaven.

Jesus indicates what Peter said was revealed to him by the Father (verses men) whereas it says here...

1John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

(Sura 29 continued) they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them (Sura 9:29-30).

Is that true?

Because
the testimony of men on the otherhand in their conclusions is shown here....


Mat 14:16... Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?


Mat 14:17And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one
of the prophets.

Now here it says...


John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


But doesn't their doctrine say...


It does not befit GOD that He
begets a son, be He glorified (Sura 19:35).

Whereas ours says also...

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (From Psalm 2:7 and Acts 13:33)

Whereas here in the OT it asks this question...


Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

The answer is found in how he is declared to be the Son of God (even as an answer to the prior question accordingly)

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Another from the OT


Psalms 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Very much in accord with these words...

Ephes 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

Isaiah 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand...

So he turns and asks them...

Luke 20:44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

They couldnt answer how that could be, however

This very verse is continued here (after the apostles quote that same verse) they say

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

And again...

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

The Son of man (whose decease is spoken of by the former prophets) is declared the Son of God (
according to the spirit of holiness by the resurrection from the dead). Even as by those who come after the former prophets (who confirmed the promises made to their fathers)

Theres just a few of them, He is the Word, who is the Son of God, who is the Apostle and High priest, even That Prophet (who Moses wrote of) He is called Son of David, Son of man, the Lord, and the Messiah called the Christ, who is Lamb of God, the Vine, the Rock that followed them etc.

He is not just that Prophet as he acknowledged to be in Acts 7:37 and earlier also in Acts 3:22- 26 where he is the Son of God as acknowledged as well right there in the same context.


 
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You cannot be both a Muslim and a christian at the same time..you can't practice both religions.
 

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You can be Arab,Indian,Spanish,White, Irish, German or ect. and believe in Christ Jesus as your Savior, No?
 

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You can be Arab,Indian,Spanish,White, Irish, German or ect. and believe in Christ Jesus as your Savior, No?

yes, BUT you cannot be practicing both religions at the same time..worshipping Mohammed AND God.. it don't work that way..
 
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Jesus called himself as a prophet ! if you don't like it read it by your eyes !
Mark 6:4
Then Jesus told them, " A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown and among his relatives and his own family .!
Matthew 21:11
The crowds answered, "This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee."

Jesus has numerous titles in both the Holy Bible and the Koran....and He is shown to be divine in both books.
 
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Heres a few verses showing him as the Son of God, even speaks of the Son in the OT,
there is also some verses from the Qur'an against the same.


Actually, it is Islamic myth that the Koran denies The Son.



Islam denies the Father and the Son:

The Christians say
:The Messiah
is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; (Sura 9:29)


اتخذوا أحبارهم ورهبنهم أربابا من دون الله

والمسيح ابن مريم وما أمروا إلا ليعبدوا إلها

وحدا لا إله إلا هو سبحنه عما يشركون

Ittakhathoo ahbarahum waruhbanahum arbaban min dooni Allahi waalmaseeha ibna maryama wama omiroo illa liyaAAbudoo ilahan wahidan la ilaha illa huwa subhanahu AAamma yushrikoona

9.31 They have taken their learned persons and their monks (as) lords from superior (to) “allah” and The Messiah, Mary's Son; and they commanded not except that they may worship one god, no god except He, glory be to Him from what they associate partners.



The Messiah is included along with “allah” via the copulative conjunction “wa”, as being part and parcel of the prepositional phrase initiating with “min” (from).

You will see the modern English translators deceitfully butchering this text by inserting all sorts of add-on-words in parenthesis – in order to make this ayah conform to the Islamic paradigm.

Fact of the matter is that this ayah proclaims Jesus Christ as God Almighty.

Just as does the entire Koran…which was wholesale copied from the Holy Bible.




 
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But doesn't their doctrine say...

It does not befit GOD that He
begets a son, be He glorified (Sura 19:35).




Glory be to the Son



ما كان لله أن يتخذ من ولد سبحنه إذا قضى أمرا فإنما يقول له كن فيكون

Ma kana lillahi an yattakhitha min waladin subhanahu itha qada amran fa-innama yaqoolu lahu kun fayakoonu

19.35 That was to “allah”that he takes of a Son, glory be to Him when He issued a decree, commanded, so only truly His, He says: "Be you.” So He has been.



This ayah demonstrates yet another Koranic example of the Son having the ability to create with His powerful word.
 
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yes, BUT you cannot be practicing both religions at the same time..worshipping Mohammed AND God.. it don't work that way..
God is not a religion, religions are something that has been made up in the world to confuse and to turn you away from God. In most religions you are conformed to do this or that to gain respect from God to get in to heaven, But God said we live by grace nut by works. We beleive in God by faith. However there are a lot of gods, noticed the lower case letter g in gods? There is only one God. In john 10: 30 says I, and the father are one. If the world wants to think that Jesus is just a prophet, then you have to look deeper, and try see why. Satan has caused so much trouble wit hbeliefs, faiths, and religions. God is not a war monger, but religions are.
 
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DesiredHaven

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Glory be to the Son



ما كان لله أن يتخذ من ولد سبحنه إذا قضى أمرا فإنما يقول له كن فيكون

Ma kana lillahi an yattakhitha min waladin subhanahu itha qada amran fa-innama yaqoolu lahu kun fayakoonu

19.35 That was to “allah”that he takes of a Son, glory be to Him when He issued a decree, commanded, so only truly His, He says: "Be you.” So He has been.



This ayah demonstrates yet another Koranic example of the Son having the ability to create with His powerful word.
This is incorrect then?


Qur’an 9:30—The Jews call Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Qur’an 9:31—They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ, the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

Qur’an 9:32—Fain would they extinguish Allah’s Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His Light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

Qur’an 9:33—It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to prevail it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).


 
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This is incorrect then?


Qur’an 9:30—The Jews call Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Qur’an 9:31—They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ, the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

Qur’an 9:32—Fain would they extinguish Allah’s Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His Light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

Qur’an 9:33—It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to prevail it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).


A more correct rendering...

وقالتاليهودعزيرابن اللهوقالتالنصرى

المسيحابن اللهذلكقولهمبأفوههميضهءون

قول الذينكفروامنقبلقتلهماللهأنىيؤفكون

WaqalatialyahooduAAuzayrunibnu Allahiwaqalatialnnasaraalmaseehuibnu Allahithalikaqawluhumbi-afwahihimyudahi-oonaqawlaallatheenakafaroominqabluqatalahumuAllahuannayu/fakoona

9.30 And they said the Jews flogged “allah's” Son with the utmost vehemence, and they said the Christians, The Messiah,“allah's” Son, this,their word with their mouths,they resemble Word whom they disbelieved from before,“allah”, he killed them, when they are turned away.
 
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A more correct rendering...

وقالتاليهودعزيرابن اللهوقالتالنصرى

المسيحابن اللهذلكقولهمبأفوههميضهءون

قول الذينكفروامنقبلقتلهماللهأنىيؤفكون

WaqalatialyahooduAAuzayrunibnu Allahiwaqalatialnnasaraalmaseehuibnu Allahithalikaqawluhumbi-afwahihimyudahi-oonaqawlaallatheenakafaroominqabluqatalahumuAllahuannayu/fakoona

9.30 And they said the Jews flogged “allah's” Son with the utmost vehemence, and they said the Christians, The Messiah,“allah's” Son, this,their word with their mouths,they resemble Word whom they disbelieved from before,“allah”, he killed them, when they are turned away.

Well good we are all clear then.
 
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Well good we are all clear then.

Its important to not propagate Islamic myths.

Islam creates these myths because they are ignorant to what is written in their Koran....and then they inform the world of their lies...and the world then believes their lies.

One of their great lies is that the Koran denies The Son....it does NOT!

Only followers of islam deny The Son.
 
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DesiredHaven

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Its important to not propagate Islamic myths.

Islam creates these myths because they are ignorant to what is written in their Koran....and then they inform the world of their lies...and the world then believes their lies.

One of their great lies is that the Koran denies The Son....it does NOT!

Only followers of islam deny The Son.
Thats who I was speaking to

My quotes are from this online Quran

Repentance - at-Tawbah - Quran in English

Could be a myth Quran I dont know

Im not really interested in their books