JESUS CHRIST VS PROPHET MOHAMMAD

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joefizz

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Id imagine for trying to tell others that Muhammad was a prophet of God : p I vaguely remember the poster making another post somewhere else on the forum in defense of Muhammad. This site has a rule against teachings that go against the teachings of Christ, or whatever.
I haven't seen such a rule,mainly I noticed that this site just doesn't tolerate chaos,quite a few people speak on different doctrines or religions,I think mainly people get banned when they start harassing people or force feeding their religion or views on people,as for me I think it to be fascinating and a challenge to learn about other cultures and Religions while serving God,after all if one can't stand firm for God against other religions or beliefs then we aren't doing our Job for God then are we?
because sure banning gets people gone "temporarily"(they can always make another username and use a different email address)but teaching others truthfully and boldly solves the heart of the problem when dealing with the lost or different denominations of religion,I truly welcome,this "challenge"!!!
 

Milee777

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A Muslim friend of mine says to me that the only book that was preserved over the years is the Quran and that all the other Holy Scriptures were adulterated stating that scholars support this and that many Muslim leaders fought to preserve the Quran . He thinks even the Torah was adulterated , the old and new testaments also .....so tell me what material do i have to show him Jesus
 

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#83
A Muslim friend of mine says to me that the only book that was preserved over the years is the Quran and that all the other Holy Scriptures were adulterated stating that scholars support this and that many Muslim leaders fought to preserve the Quran . He thinks even the Torah was adulterated , the old and new testaments also .....so tell me what material do i have to show him Jesus
My dad used to say, "ya can lead a horse to water but ya can't make it drink. It's either thirsty or it ain't." What led you to believe? There's POWER in TESTIMONY!
 

tanakh

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Has anyone ever come across the writings and teachings of Rumi. He was a 13th Century Persian Poet and Mystic who spoke about the love of God. He was and is a great influence and a major figure in the Sufi branch of Islam. Much of his teachings are similar to Christian mysticism
 

tanakh

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A Muslim friend of mine says to me that the only book that was preserved over the years is the Quran and that all the other Holy Scriptures were adulterated stating that scholars support this and that many Muslim leaders fought to preserve the Quran . He thinks even the Torah was adulterated , the old and new testaments also .....so tell me what material do i have to show him Jesus
I would be interested to know exactly when he thought the Torah and the rest of the OT became adulterated because the dead Sea Scrolls believed to have been written around 200BC up until the time of Christ include almost all of the OT and its practically identical to present day versions.
 

Roughsoul1991

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I would be interested to know exactly when he thought the Torah and the rest of the OT became adulterated because the dead Sea Scrolls believed to have been written around 200BC up until the time of Christ include almost all of the OT and its practically identical to present day versions.
Very true and here is a deeper dilemma on this subject.

The Quran, the Bible, and the Islamic Dilemma

 

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I would be interested to know exactly when he thought the Torah and the rest of the OT became adulterated because the dead Sea Scrolls believed to have been written around 200BC up until the time of Christ include almost all of the OT and its practically identical to present day versions.
True. Though I would add , all the books save for that of Esther.

There is also this.
"The biblical manuscripts from Qumran, which include at least fragments from every book of the Old Testament, except perhaps for the Book of Esther, provide a far older cross section of scriptural tradition than that available to scholars before. While some of the Qumran biblical manuscripts are nearly identical to the Masoretic, or traditional, Hebrew text of the Old Testament, some manuscripts of the books of Exodus and Samuel found in Cave Four exhibit dramatic differences in both language and content. In their astonishing range of textual variants, the Qumran biblical discoveries have prompted scholars to reconsider the once-accepted theories of the development of the modern biblical text from only three manuscript families: of the Masoretic text, of the Hebrew original of the Septuagint, and of the Samaritan Pentateuch. It is now becoming increasingly clear that the Old Testament scripture was extremely fluid until its canonization around A.D. 100. "
Title: The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible: The Oldest Known Bible Translated for the First Time into English
 

Roughsoul1991

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So many say in context the Qurans verses on violence are not actually advocating on violence for modern unbelievers.

What is your response?
 

Magenta

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A Muslim friend of mine says to me that the only book that was preserved over the years is the Quran and that all the other Holy Scriptures were adulterated stating that scholars support this and that many Muslim leaders fought to preserve the Quran . He thinks even the Torah was adulterated , the old and new testaments also .....so tell me what material do i have to show him Jesus
Your friend is either deliberately lying (taqiyya) or is terribly uninformed, since all original Qurans were desroyed to eliminate discrepancies between early existing copies. Muslim source materials report that at least four different versions of the Qur’an existed before the political order was given to have them burned. (Refer to "Al-Tamhid 2, 247) Click!
 

Roughsoul1991

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Your friend is either deliberately lying (taqiyya) or is terribly uninformed, since all original Qurans were desroyed to eliminate discrepancies between early existing copies. Muslim source materials report that at least four different versions of the Qur’an existed before the political order was given to have them burned. (Refer to "Al-Tamhid 2, 247) Click!
My brother is asking me. I gave him a lot of information dealing with this issue but I'm sure O can use some of yalls knowledge also. Thanks for the info. I read one time that there are actually many different versions of the Quran according to which region you are in. Is that true? Because if so you definitely couldn't trust which one is the original.
 

Magenta

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My brother is asking me. I gave him a lot of information dealing with this issue but I'm sure O can use some of yalls knowledge also. Thanks for the info. I read one time that there are actually many different versions of the Quran according to which region you are in. Is that true? Because if so you definitely couldn't trust which one is the original.
There are no originals! They were all destroyed. Please read the link I gave :D

You are welcome :) Thank you also for all the effort you put into disseminating information :)
 

Roughsoul1991

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There are no originals! They were all destroyed. Please read the link I gave :D

You are welcome :) Thank you also for all the effort you put into disseminating information :)
Yah I'm looking at it. His first question was on the Surah 9:5 saying in context 9:6-7 almost contradicts Surah 9:5.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Your friend is either deliberately lying (taqiyya) or is terribly uninformed, since all original Qurans were desroyed to eliminate discrepancies between early existing copies. Muslim source materials report that at least four different versions of the Qur’an existed before the political order was given to have them burned. (Refer to "Al-Tamhid 2, 247) Click!
Great article. This video was what I was referring to about different Qurans.

 

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So many say in context the Qurans verses on violence are not actually advocating on violence for modern unbelievers.

What is your response?
My response is that is false.. muslims are to wage jihad untill there is no more disbelief and the only religion is Islam..

Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

"""""quran 9:29 Fight those who believe not in allah, nor hold that forbbiden that has been forbidden by allah nor aknowledge the religion of truth, from among the people of the book, until they pay the jizyah with willing submission and feel themselves subdued """"

Are you in submission to islam Roughsoul? Are you paying jizyah tax to muslims and are you subdued as a second class citizen yet? True quran believing muslims must continue to wage jihad until ALL submit to the religion of allah..

True muslims believe allah has bought them ( they are his slaves ) for a purpose..

"""" quran 9: 111 Surely allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this that they shall have the garden, they FIGHT in allahs way, so they SLAY and are SLAIN....

So a true muslim will keep slaying people until they obtain world wide submission of all peoples to islam or untill he is slain just like the devout muslim of ISIS did in Syria and Iraq..
 
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Because they have not gotten to them yet, or they are to poor to move, or Gods mercy, or they do not know of them, or the government is protecting them. or a combination of all.
How come Muslims are beheading Christians today? Why are they enslaving Christians, taking the woman for sex, and selling the younger ones on the slave market? Why do Christians feel intimidated in many Muslim countries? Why do many Christians feel like second class citizens in many Muslim countries? Why are the churches being closed or torn down? Why are Muslims throwing Christians in jail because of their faith?
Please do not deny these things are not happening. I am not saying every Muslim country, but more then enough of them to draw a conclusion Muslims are hostile toward Christians. And they should be because the Koran orders them to.
Kafirs all. Kill them or make then dhimmis. This is the word of Allah.
Because they have not gotten to them yet, or they are to poor to move, or Gods mercy, or they do not know of them, or the government is protecting them. or a combination of all.
How come Muslims are beheading Christians today? Why are they enslaving Christians, taking the woman for sex, and selling the younger ones on the slave market? Why do Christians feel intimidated in many Muslim countries? Why do many Christians feel like second class citizens in many Muslim countries? Why are the churches being closed or torn down? Why are Muslims throwing Christians in jail because of their faith?
Please do not deny these things are not happening. I am not saying every Muslim country, but more then enough of them to draw a conclusion Muslims are hostile toward Christians. And they should be because the Koran orders them to.
Kafirs all. Kill them or make then dhimmis. This is the word of Allah.
Sorry for the late reply...
Actually it has never been muslim teachings to kill In fact they are like christians taught to love one another. Matter of fac, I believe all religion taught its followers to love not otherwise. The reason why it is happening is fanatics individual with their own selfish propaganda.
 

Magenta

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Sorry for the late reply...
Actually it has never been muslim teachings to kill In fact they are like christians taught to love one another. Matter of fac, I believe all religion taught its followers to love not otherwise. The reason why it is happening is fanatics individual with their own selfish propaganda.
There are over 100 surahs in the Koran that explicitly tell adherents to kill, and Islam has been spread by the sword since its inception. Perhaps in Malaysia these things are not taught, but that does not mean they are not in the Koran.

Comparison between Jesus and Mohammed.
 
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There are over 100 surahs in the Koran that explicitly tell adherents to kill, and Islam has been spread by the sword since its inception. Perhaps in Malaysia these things are not taught, but that does not mean they are not in the Koran.

Comparison between Jesus and Mohammed.
Ibeg to differ. There won't be any christians remaining in muslim countres if what you claimed to be true.
 

Magenta

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Ibeg to differ. There won't be any christians remaining in muslim countres if what you claimed to be true.
You guys just throw Christians in jail, but the FACT that all Muslims do not follow their own holy book does NOT negate the surahs in question. The Koran advocates for the murder of anyone who does not submit to Islam. Check it out for yourself!
 
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