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I have heated discussions about islam with a sfi muslim from Sa. I'm abreviviating on purpose.
The issue is the corruption of the bible and christ being God.
The Muslim argument is God is so powerful why send flesh and blood to us. And how could God possibly have a son. How incredibly stupid.
Next, is jews corrupted the bible. It was translated from Armenians to greeks etc. Changed each time to suit them.
I say if you obey Mohammed then obey the scriptures torah bible. Mohammed says to.
About God sending Jesus I say he wanted to know us etc.
They roll their eyes.
I say what did your family believe before Mohammed. They say the book of Jesus not the bible.
This person is actually smart and has more information than me.
 

Magenta

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Hello Elizabeth :) Have you heard of Acts 17 Apologetics? David Wood on youtube has
many videos where he passionately attempts to educate both Christians and Muslims.


God bless you as you witness to the lost :love:
 

tourist

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I have heated discussions about islam with a sfi muslim from Sa. I'm abreviviating on purpose.
The issue is the corruption of the bible and christ being God.
The Muslim argument is God is so powerful why send flesh and blood to us. And how could God possibly have a son. How incredibly stupid.
Next, is jews corrupted the bible. It was translated from Armenians to greeks etc. Changed each time to suit them.
I say if you obey Mohammed then obey the scriptures torah bible. Mohammed says to.
About God sending Jesus I say he wanted to know us etc.
They roll their eyes.
I say what did your family believe before Mohammed. They say the book of Jesus not the bible.
This person is actually smart and has more information than me.
This person is just merely passing on a bad understanding to you and to have you accept it as truth instead of the lie that it really is. This person is not smart but is as dumb as a box of rocks. Hopefully, this site will become a spiritual blessing to you. Glad to have you as part of our community. Welcome to CC.
 

blue_ladybug

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I have heated discussions about islam with a sfi muslim from Sa. I'm abreviviating on purpose.
The issue is the corruption of the bible and christ being God.
The Muslim argument is God is so powerful why send flesh and blood to us. And how could God possibly have a son. How incredibly stupid.
Next, is jews corrupted the bible. It was translated from Armenians to greeks etc. Changed each time to suit them.
I say if you obey Mohammed then obey the scriptures torah bible. Mohammed says to.
About God sending Jesus I say he wanted to know us etc.
They roll their eyes.
I say what did your family believe before Mohammed. They say the book of Jesus not the bible.
This person is actually smart and has more information than me.

This person actually sounds rather stupid and uninformed...
 
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Hello Elizabeth :) Have you heard of Acts 17 Apologetics? David Wood on youtube has
many videos where he passionately attempts to educate both Christians and Muslims.



God bless you as you witness to the lost :love:
Yes
 

Subhumanoidal

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Does anyone know the answers to mytwo questions
What questions? You told about a conversation you had but didn't actually ask anything.
Also posting in the Arab forums won't garner many responses since so few use it.
 
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How to answer is Jesus God,Is Jesus Gods son,

How to answer the bible has not been corrupted
 

Subhumanoidal

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How to answer is Jesus God,Is Jesus Gods son,

How to answer the bible has not been corrupted
I'd advise posting this in the BDF, since, as mentioned before, there isn't a lot of traffic in the Arab forums.
Just present it more clearly than you've done here. And don't forget to use these ~~~> ???????
 

Adstar

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How to answer is Jesus God,Is Jesus Gods son,

How to answer the bible has not been corrupted
Tell him that muahhamd affirmed that the Torah and the Gospel of His time where revelations from God and that we have scriptures from that time and our Bible today is still the same as it was then.. The story that the Bible has been corrupted was not a teaching of muhammad but a later teaching made up by later Muslims who where having difficulty making the quran and the Torah and the Gospels align..

This following video from Acts 17 Apologetic s deals with this very issue.. It is good because the video gives quranic passage quotes..

 

Adstar

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How to answer is Jesus God,Is Jesus Gods son,
Well give scripture verses.. Until the muslim believes the scriptures are the Word of God he will not believe.. But at lest you will be able to reveal the scriptures that show why Christians believe that Jesus is God..

This following video deals with this issue.. it contains a lot of verses used by the presenter..

 
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Tell him that muahhamd affirmed that the Torah and the Gospel of His time where revelations from God and that we have scriptures from that time and our Bible today is still the same as it was then.. The story that the Bible has been corrupted was not a teaching of muhammad but a later teaching made up by later Muslims who where having difficulty making the quran and the Torah and the Gospels align..

This following video from Acts 17 Apologetic s deals with this very issue.. It is good because the video gives quranic passage quotes..

Thank you
 
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Tell him that muahhamd affirmed that the Torah and the Gospel of His time where revelations from God and that we have scriptures from that time and our Bible today is still the same as it was then.. The story that the Bible has been corrupted was not a teaching of muhammad but a later teaching made up by later Muslims who where having difficulty making the quran and the Torah and the Gospels align..

This following video from Acts 17 Apologetic s deals with this very issue.. It is good because the video gives quranic passage quotes..

Wow awesome
 

Nehemiah6

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The issue is the corruption of the bible and christ being God.
These are standard Muslim objections to Christianity, which are patently false.

So what you should do before you discuss the Gospel with any Muslim is read the Koran/Quran. You will discover that the Koran quotes extensively from the Old Testament, especially the Torah (the first five books of the Bible). Since the Koran was written around 600 AD and the Torah was written around 1500 BC, there is nothing original with the Koran. It is a corruption of the Bible and the Gospel.

1. So you can ask any Muslim why Mohammad is quoting from the Torah if it is corrupt. Then show him that the Koran corrupted the Torah by claiming that Abraham and Ishmael constructed the idolatrous Ka'aba in Mecca, since there is no such incident in the Bible. You must show him the Scripture which tells of Hagar and Ishmael being sent away and Isaac being made the son of promise.

2. Then go to Exodus chapter 3, and ask the Muslim to tell you who is the Angel of the LORD who appeared to Moses? Chances are he will be stumped. Ask him to read verse 14 which says And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Christians understand that the Angel of the LORD was actually Jesus before He came to this earth as a man.

3. Then go to John 8:58 as shown him where Jesus says Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. (I have matched this to the Old Testament)

4. Then show him verse 24 which says I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM [he], ye shall die in your sins. ("he" was added by the translators)

5. Then tell him that if he does not believe that Jesus is God as Man who died for his sins, then he will die in his sins, as did the Jews who did not believe.
 

soberxp

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The Koran, chapter two
35. And We said: O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden, and eat ye freely (of the fruits) thereof where yewill; but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrongdoers.
113. And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yetboth are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day ofResurrection concerning that wherein they differ.(here the Scripture , The interpretation of muslims is that they don't read the same book ,but in chinese version , they muslimsChristians Jews all read skybook I don't know what does that mean in your language)
131. When his Lord said unto him: Surrender! he said: I have surrendered to the Lord of the Worlds.
120. And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! theguidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hathcome unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.
122. O Children of Israel! Remember My favour wherewith I favoured you and how I referred you to (all) creatures.123. And guard (yours against a day when no soul will naught avail another, nor will compensation be accepted fromit, nor will intercession be of Use to it; nor will they be helped.
138. (We take our) colour from Allah, and who is better than Allah at colouring. We are His worshippers. (here in chinese version means :Keep ye the baptism of Allah: who better to be baptized than Allah? "We only worship him.")
139. Say (unto the People of the Scripture): Dispute ye with us concerning Allah when He is our Lord and your Lord?Ours are our works and yours your works. We look to Him alone.
145. And even if thou broughtest unto those who have received the Scripture all kinds of portents, they would notfollow thy qiblah, nor canst thou be a follower of their qiblah; nor are some of them followers of the qiblah of others.And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then surely wert thou of theevil doers.(Get an idea of what the text “”Scripture “”means here ,in Chinese version it means skybook)

The Koran, chapter two
213. Mankind were one community, and Allah sent (unto them) Prophets as bearers of good tidings and as warners,and revealed therewith the Scripture with the truth that it might judge between mankind concerning that wherein theydiffered. And only those unto whom (the Scripture) was given differed concerning it, after clear proofs had come untothem, through hatred one of another. And Allah by His will guided those w believe unto the truth of that concerningwhich they differed. Allah guideth whom He will unto a straight path

248. And their Prophet said unto them: Lo! the token of his kingdom is that there shall come unto you the ark whereinis peace of reassurance from your Lord, and a remnant of that which the house of Moses and the house of Aaron leftbehind, the angels bearing it. Lo! herein shall be a token for you if (in truth) ye are believers.

260. And when Abraham said (unto his Lord): My lord! Show me how Thou givest life to the dead, He said: Dost thounot believe? Abraham said: Yea, but (I ask) in order that my heart may be at ease. (His Lord) said: Take four of the birdsand cause them to incline unto thee, then place a part of them on each hill, then call them, they will come to thee inhaste. And know that Allah is Mighty, Wise.


chapter three
3. He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it,even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel


No matter what Muslims and opponents of Muslims says, The truth is, the Koran has a lot of evidence to prove the legitimacy of the Bible. though Muslims will come up with different explanations ,
Or christians say muslims borrow things from the bible
 

soberxp

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By the way, Muslims use various interpretations to avoid the existence of the Bible in the Koran, and Christians deny Muslim statements in various ways, but objectively ,People who argue about thisare rarely willing to find out the truth .