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Babylonisfalling

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Grace777x70 said:
It's not about any church..it's about the lies that can and do get taught<<What lies taught by who?...have you never heard that God is teaching you something that's why you are sick?<<No. Nobody ever told me I was sick because God was teaching me something

..how about God punish you if you don't give Him 10% of your money?<<NO

maybe you never heard any reference to these 9 things outlined above..if so..I want to go where you go!

I do agree with you..that to blatantly say that all churches are saying these things is not showing an accurate representation ...I see the the Lord changing His people's understanding of Him growing all the time..and it's staring with myself!
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I'm still waiting for ANY church to tell me that stuff. It's not like most churches are saying it, or even close to most.
 
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NetChaplain

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Babylonisfalling said:
Then we've gone from this:

in the first post.
To this:

That's an improvement.:) But you have three words "among the saved" in that sentence. That phrase could imply that there are a whole lot people calling themselves Christians who are not "among the saved" because they are wrongfully thinking they're saved by their works. It's true that we aren't saved by works but I don't know anyone in any church I've been to that thinks they are. And nobody here has been able to point me to a church that teaches that. Honestly, it's like lecturing that it's wrong to steal.....we already know that.

And I assume you know of no church that actually teaches men to get right with God under their own power.

Regarding the religious authorities of Christ's time, everyone has known for a long LONG time now they were clueless. That's a really old old lesson and it's like beating a dead horse.

Regarding "works retain salvation", different churches places different importance on works but as with men getting right with God under their own power, I've not heard a church teaching that. It truth, I haven't even heard that phrase at all until you said it in this thread. It sounds like a debate which would quickly become an OSAS argument.

Regarding this"


I'm glad you understand that people know works can't produce salvation, but again, it seems to contradict with your first post:
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I appreciate your replies because it's requiring me to be more clearer in what I'm attempting to share. My intention is to point out that the legalistic concept of the Pharisees concerning being saved by works has shown itself in the Christian community in the form of retaining salvation by works, which, as it is well known, is a false teaching and hinders the believer's spiritual growth.

I believe the significance in addressing this issue may be useful to others in avoiding this type of bondage, which could eventually affect the entirety of their beliefs, for "a little leaven will leaven the whole lump."

My mention concerning "among the saved" intends "those who are saved." Thanks for bring this up too.
 
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Babylonisfalling

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NetChaplain said:
I appreciate your replies because it's requiring me to be more clearer in what I'm attempting to share. My intention is to point out that the legalistic concept of the Pharisees concerning being saved by works has shown itself in the Christian community in the form of retaining salvation by works, which, as it is well known, is a false teaching and hinders the believer's spiritual growth.

I believe the significance in addressing this issue may be useful to others in avoiding this type of bondage, which could eventually affect the entirety of their beliefs, for "a little leaven will leaven the whole lump."

My mention concerning "among the saved" intends "those who are saved." Thanks for bring this up too.
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Who thinks they're retaining works by salvation?
Nobody has ever said that to me.
 
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NetChaplain

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Babylonisfalling said:
Who thinks they're retaining works by salvation?
Nobody has ever said that to me.
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You mean "retaining salvation by works." That would not be necessary to explain if you haven't realized it. But that's okay because I believe it will eventually be noticeable to you.
 
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Babylonisfalling

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Yes, sorry, I typed it wrong.:p
Who's teaching people about retaining salvation by works?
I haven't seen anyone on this site teaching it, or anyone believing it. Same in the real world.
Do you know of who's teaching this doctrine?
 
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NetChaplain

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Babylonisfalling said:
Yes, sorry, I typed it wrong.:p
Who's teaching people about retaining salvation by works?
I haven't seen anyone on this site teaching it, or anyone believing it. Same in the real world.
Do you know of who's teaching this doctrine?
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I believe the concept is primarily apparent in believing you can loose your redemption.
 
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Babylonisfalling

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NetChaplain said:
I believe the concept is primarily apparent in believing you can loose your redemption.
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I know some of those and they've never talked about retaining salvation by works either.
It sound like you don't know of any church teaching this to people?
 
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