1 John

Deadflesh · Aug 21, 2011

Ok, Im a little tired of people not understanding this book, and then ruining it. Please pay attention.
(Words in purple are mine)(ill do the first 3 chapters for now)

1 John 1(AKJV)
"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked on, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life(the Gospel/the WHOLE council of God); 2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show to you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested to us

3That which we have seen and heard declare we to you, that you also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4And these things write we to you, that your joy may be full.
(Ok, Beautiful John! Thank you, great greeting)

"5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Ok RIGHT off the Bat, John says GOD is Light. NO darkness IN HIM. SO What is DARKNESS? The Truth of GOD is light. So darkness is: The Antithisis of Light, The Antithisis of Truth, The Antithisis of Knowing, and havign eyes to see, and ears to hear. Thinking That you are rich and in need of Nothing, but truly, you are Blind, naked, and poor. Having a FORM of Godliness, but denying the POWER. its ANY Christianity that doesnt conform you To JESUS, and make you look and act GODLY, becasue any christian that DOESNT conform you to holyness, and Godliness, is Really Just the WORLD. Its STILL Darkness

6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7But if we walk in the light(truth), as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleans us from all sin.

ALL Sin. ALL. ALL, ALL, ALL. The Blood of JESUS cleans us of ALL sin. Thats ACTUALLY why he came in the first place. To SAVE us from ALL sin.

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

IF WE SAY WE HAVE NO SIN TO BE CLEANSED OF THEN WE ARE A LIAR!! IF We belive on Jesus(and its not invain) We will Allow, we wil Submit TO JESUS so he can cleanse us of ALL SIN. If we say we have NO sin to be Cleansed of, we are in deception, and there is NO truth(JEsus/Light) in us

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

IF, IF, IF, IF We confes our sins(TO him only, To JESUS ONLY, not mary, not a saint, not a preist, TO Jesus) then HE(Jesus Only) is faithfull to forgive us. and cleanse us(here it is again) from ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. ALL, ALL, ALL. Thats not some, Thats not most of, thats not the greater majority, but then we will still struggle in the flesh, if you are struggling in the flesh to not SIN, that means 1.) YOU ARE STILL IN THE FLESH the carnal mind which God hates. and 2.) YOU ARE STRUGLING, which means you are not submitting, your will/desire and pride to JESUS. YOu are NOT humbling SELF so HE can be your strength(lift you up)

10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

IF we Say we have not Sinned(Which would mean: we dont think that we have to confess them to HIM) we make JESUS a liar, becasue SIN is what he came to die for, and shed his blood to save us from. ALL(John 1:7) And his WORD(Ephesians 5:26, John 15:3, John 17:17...) is not in you, to Wash you. (blood, spirit, water are one(1 john 5:8) ) The other side of this is that you ADMIT you have(previously ) sinned, and then we agree with HIS truth, and HIS reson for dying, and then we prove his word is IN us, and then he can cleanse us of ALL Sin(unrighteousness)

1John 2
My little children, these things write I to you, that you sin not. (Thats why John Wrote this, not to give us an excuse to walk in the flesh, to gratify the deeds of the flesh(Galatians 5:16), But that we DONT SIN.)
And if(If, IF< IF< IF if if if if if if if , Which means DONT!! but if, dont think you dont have God, and jsut go immidiatly to the Sacrifice(Jesus) and repent, and then he cleanse that up, and its liek it never happend, but EVERYTIME you sin you MUST ask for forgivenes) any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

This is how we KNOW JEsus(and he knows us) We Keep his commandments. Now Some peopel argue that this word Keep doesnt mean obey(really you want to argue AGAINST obeyign God?...ok) Well It DOES mean obey, But it means WAAAAAY More then that, it means protect, guard, keep, like a treasure Keep. Hold gaurd, dont let ANYONE change the MEANING of JESUS' Commnaments, and the meanign of Jesus commandments is THAT YOU OBEY THEM AND STOP TRYING TO DISSOBEY THEM. If ou arent a Keeper of the word of Truth(Jesus words) then obeyign them, then the TRUTH is not in you, and you do not Know JEsus. Repent!! Becasue you do not know The Jesus you claim to.

4He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5But whoever keeps his word, in him truly is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Thats how we know that We are Abiding in JESUS, and HE in us, if we love, and guard and obey JESUS liek his words were our life force(which they are) like JESUS' Words kept us clean and alive(whcih they do) liek with out the TRUE representation of these words the whole world would be lost(which it would)

6He that said he stays in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

He that says "I abide in Jesus, im follwoing Christ, I have denyied myself and picked up my cross" The word Ought to, is the Greek Opheilo Which means: "You must, you are under obligation to, you OWE IT to GOD, you are BOUND(kinda like a slave) To the LORD(master) " it means if you say you abide in JEsus, then you must OBEY JESUS and walk like HE walked(in total denial to your own will, and this is not of your own strength to do, but it is of your own WILL to deny)

7Brothers, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you have heard from the beginning.
Which is Obey. Abide. Stop sin 8Again, a new commandment I write to you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shines.

The Darkness is PAST(which means you shouldnt be in it any more, if you go up to John 1, it says you are in darkness, if you are NOT IN JESUS, not IN GOD. So if you ARE in GOD, then that measn no Darkness. SO if there IS darkness, then that means you are still tightly gripping a part of your life, JESUS does not have 100% of your life, and heart, and you have somthig that comes before JESUS. REPENT, Beg him to show you what that is. and then REPENT OF IT. And deny ALL SELF Daily. (works of the flesh/lusts of the eyes,flesh,pride of life etc...and your own desire/will, deny it)

9He that said he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness even until now. 10He that loves his brother stays in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.

OOOOOO!!! If you LOVE(like Jesus) Your Brother, thn there is NO STUMBLING IN YOU. Which means that you are NOT staying in the light(abiding in christ, loving god, obeying word, walkin in the spirit) is you dont have the LOVE of JESUS for your brother(or thise that call themselves brother) now im not talkign about hippy love, world love, no...JESUS LOVE, which HATES SIN. and when they are around SIN they will in love, warn you, and tell you to go to the Sacrifice to be cleansed, becasue they care about your SOUL, and spirit, more then your opinion of them. IF you are IN the LIGHT(love brother, abide in Christ, obey/Love GOD, walk in spirit, all the same, impossible in pride, and in sin) then there is NO stumbling. NONE. (peter talks about this, he expounds on what NO stumbling looks like
2 Peter 1:5-11
"And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that you shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacks these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and has forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Why the rather, brothers, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if you do these things, you shall never Fall(stumble): For so an entrance shall be ministered to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

11But he that hates his brother is in darkness, and walks in darkness, and knows not where he goes, because that darkness has blinded his eyes.

If you HATE. you have no light(Jesus) no truth(Jesus) and you are blind(naked, poor) and headed to a ditch.

12I write to you, little children(of the church), because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.
(no more making sacrifices, no more water baptisms to be clean, no more rituals, no more LAW, it does NOT MEAN YOU STOP OBEYING JESUS)
13I write to you, fathers, because you have known him that is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you have overcome the wicked one. I write to you, little children, because you have known the Father.
14I have written to you, fathers, because you have known him that is from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God stays in you, and you have overcome the wicked one. (IN jesus you have ovr come the wicked one, which means you DONT SIN. IN JESUS, Abiding, walking in the spirit, YOU DONT SIN< because at the CROSS Jesus bound satan. AT THE CROSS JEsus blotted out your sins. Not that now you can do them and feel ok, NO he blotted them out so YOU DONT DO THEM. SATAN IS BOUND which means the SIN is just in the FLESH. Whcih measn that IN JESUS YOU DONT SIN. Now, as john stated earlier, IF, IF, IF, IF you sin you have an avocate(the Sacrifce JESUS) to cleasne us. SO if you sin it DOES NOT MEAN YOUR NOT SAVED. IF you stumble it does not mean you dont have the spirit, or are not born again, it means you WALKED AWAY, you stumbled, now IN JESUS as John said(and peter) if we love like HE LOVED(only possible in Jesus) then we WILL NOT SIN(Stumble) but sometiems we walk OUT of Abiding. And Now need to ask for forgiveness. EVERYTIME YOU SIN. )

15Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Now this is plain as day, and yet PEOPLE STILL JUSTIFY SELF. If you love the world(which measn if JESUS doesnt have ALL your heart, ALL your soul, ALL your mind, ALL your strength) then you have an idol, you love the world, the flesh, self, and the LOVE(of god, of brother/neighbor/enemy) is not in you at that time, YOU stoped obeying YOU stopped abiding.

16For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God stays for ever.

YOu Are NOT Doing the Will of GOD(loving God, Loving neighbor, loving enemy, loving brothers like Jesus, Obeying the WORD) if your lusts are being given into. If you give into lust(Sin) in that MOMENT you do NOT LOVE JESUS. if you loved Jesus, you would suffer in the flesh. in stead you love self, and the sinfull nature MORE then JESUS. and need to repent. Jesus will ALWAYS forgive you, but YOU must go to him for it. and STOP SININNG, stop relyign on YOUR STRENGTH to avoid sin. If you sin, thats exactly what you did. IF you sin you did not Rely on JESUS to get you out, you relyed on YOUR OWN STRENGTH TO GET YOU OUT, which is a work of the FLESH. YOUR ONE STRENGTH IS NOTHING. But if you SIN thats exactly what happened.

18Little children, it is the last time(for the past 2,000+ years):

...Im skipping 19-24...

25And this is the promise that he has promised us, even eternal life.

26These things have I written to you concerning them that seduce you. 27But the anointing which you have received of him stays in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him.
28And now, little children, abide in him;(which is saying that these little children could NOT abide, these kids in Christ, who JUST received the Holy spirit, could NOT abide, and then at his comming shrink back, becasue they were NOT ABIDING/Obeying) that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.(also, HOW could we shrink back at Jesus commign if its a secret rapture for the Church? if the WHOLE WORLD doesnt know about it when it happens, how can some one not abiding, shrink back at his comming?) 29If you know that he is righteous, you know that every one that does righteousness is born of him.

Deadflesh · Aug 21, 2011

1 John 3
Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knows us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Hmm, Again at his comming, We shall be like He is(no glorified flesh UNTILL HE COMES) Which means that if we are NOT sons, true sons(beign led by the spirit in this life, the spirit leads to PUT TO DEATH the deeds of the flesh) At his comming we will shrink back(as the world will) why woudl we shrink back if its a secret rapture that ONLY the children of GOD know about and hear? if ONLY the children of GOD can hear the pretrib comming, then that measn the ones who ARE NOT ABIDNING(like john says abide, so you will NOT shrink back) will shrink back. SO HOW woudl one shrink back if they could not hear. PRetrib rapture says the whoel world will NOT know he comes. This says that the "christians" who were not abiding will shrink back at his comming...ok im gettign off topic.

3And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.

Prufies himeslef(or herself) Well since we CANT do that in the flesh, then that must mean we have to do that in some other way...HUMBLE SELF. DENY SELF. RESIST TEMPTATION. SUFFER IN THE FLESH. THAT is how JESUS becomes your strength. THAT is how YOU prufiy yourself. You STRUGGLE to enter the REST. its a strugle becasue the Rest of JEsus is only in the spirit, NOT in the flesh, so if you are IN theflesh(sinning) you are OUT of the rest, and OUT of the peace, adn that means that the powers of darkness(satans troops, the devils) can have there way with you, and wisper thigns to confuse you, and make you sin. entice you to pride, entice you to fits of anger, etc.. We MUST purify ourselvs by SUFFERING IN THE FLESH(1 peter 4:1-2, 1 peter 5:10) and OBEYING THE WORDS OF JESUS.(washing of the word) (two thigns that you CANT do unless you are praying constantly, and have a pirvatel prayerlife with the FATHER...many don't do this)

4Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

You sin you break the law. You break the law, you are dissobedeint, and you look liek the flesh nature, which is the SIN nature, which is the FIRST Adam, which looked, acted, talked like Satan. Repent, and beg for forgivenss. Becaseu the judgment of GOd is beign reveld on ALL sons of Deissobedeince.

5And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.

Who ever is abiding in JESUS(which is LOVE, Obeying, walkign in the spirit) Does not sin. When you are IN Jesus you do not sin. When you sin, its a sign that you sTOPED abiding, and need to GO to the Sacrifice, and clean up. ASk for forgiveness and Hopefully REPENT of it. Tear your heart before the Father if you must, anythig nto GET OUT OF THE FLESH. IF your happy in the flesh, somthing is wrong.

7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Which means A Child of God CAN be deceived. And CAN be deceived into doing UNRIGHTEOUESNESS. And if they do unrighteouesness, they aRE NOT ABIDING IN JESUS, which measn if they stay in that condition untill Christ comes back, they will NOT be changed to his immage, but shrink back at his comming. Any one who does NOT preach that, IS infact deceiving you.

8He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

And he sure did!!!!! SO if JESUS destroyed the works of Satan(if Satan is Bound) then IN JESUS the works of satan are null and void, and thre IS NO SIN. However, if you sin, adn then dont repent, Gods judgment is on you, becasue you look like his enemy, Sin and death. and need to repent, ask for forgivness, go to the Sacrifce who is Jesus, and Clean up.

9Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Ok, THIS is a hard one to swallow. SOME peopel take it to mean that if they SIN they arent born of God. Whci it IS saying that...but ...listen...The FLESH is Satan. The FLESH is the FIRST adam. The FLESH is Total Rebellion to GOD. GODS enemy is Carnality. so IN THE FLESH you ARE NOT A SON OF GOD. But in the SPIRIT YOU ARE A SON OF GOD. Those who have not been born again, those wh ohave not coem to the knowledge of truth, can NOT be in the spirit, even an hour. But those who HAVE been born of GOD(true sons) WALK in the spirit, adn are LED by the spirit. But when they sin(and dont repent) they Look, like FIrst adam again, which means they look like Satan. Talk like Satan, GOD sees SATAN not the blood of his precious Son anymore bu the BLood of Destruction, the Blood of Death, The BLOOD of the Devil SIN.
So IF you sin, DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE NOT SAVED(and being saved) it means you stumbled(we dont have to stumble but if w DO stumble.........JESUS is there!! the Sacrifice for sin. We need to go clean up) So the seed of GOD is in your heart, when you are walking in the spirit, walkign in the flesh(your heart) is currupt and looks like Satan. Repent. Or you have the judgment of GOD on you,which is the powers of darkness, the demons bringing rebellion into your heart buildign strongholds in you)

10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

No righteousness, no God. No love of the bretheren NO God. It measn you are a son of Satan, a son of dissobedience. NOW we ARE, in the flesh, a SON of dissobedience. ALL are. and ALL are condmend. But if we are Born again, and STAY WALKING IN THE SPIRIT, then we are being sanctified, and washed, and are becomming a son of GOd, being made in the immage of JESUS CHRIST, and not staying in the immage of Satan.

11For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

LOVE ONE ANOTHER!! LIKE JESUS!! Feed the Bretheren(physicaly and spiritualy) Help them build them up keep leading them to JESUS. Keep them from stumbling, keep them from Deception when you can

12Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And why slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Cain was a type, of Son of dissobedeince. A Type of false son. As was essau. A "christian" who has a form of Godliness. Who bite and devour one another. Who hate the righteousmess of others becasue it shows thme the UNrighteoueness in there heart, so the change and twist the gospel, and twist grace into what there heart is. A son of the Devil. NOW MANY have twisited it the other way, and made Physical "holyness" and outward righteousness, to be the ruler we messure up to, but the outward means nothign GOD looks at the heart, so how are YOU to GOD? How is your inner, private life, when htere is NO ONE around. How does GOD see you? Ask him. He WILL tell you, if you arent sure. Ask hi mto show you how he sees you.

13Marvel not, my brothers, if the world hate you.

The World should hate us, Not for beign a jerk, but becasue we reflect JESUS. We tell them to STOP SIN. We tell them to LOVE, adn then tells them that LOVE is like Jesus. He saw sin in his fathers hourse and then get angery and wipped them out of his fathers house. JESUS fathers house is NOW the heart of the saints. So if we see sin in the actions and fruits of our brothers and sisters, WE MUST HATE IT. Otherwise we DONT love the bretheren like we should. We should JUDGE the bretheren. NOT the world. Who are WE to judge the world, leave that to GOD(1 Corinthians 5) But WE are to judge the body. Becasue if ONE part of the body causes others to SIN cut it off. That was a word to us PERSONALLY and a word By JESUS to the Church. considering the CHURCH is HIS body, and our body, is there is sin i nthe body, or if somthing in the body makes OTHERS i nthe body(or our self) sin, we must cast it out, untill it(he/she) repents. We must be relentless when it comes to the WORDS of Our master, becasue the WORDS HE spoke are spirit, and are life. and we must keep them they way they are, and oney them the way HE said to. The more we do this, the more we look like him, and the more the world will hate us. Im not sayign be pridefull. NO. Pridefull is evil. But Obey the WORD of GOD, obey JESUS.

14We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brothers. He that loves not his brother stays in death.

This is self-explanitory

15Whoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.

17But whoever has this world's good, and sees his brother have need, and shuts up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwells the love of God in him?

This is actually found allot in the modern church. Pastors/peopel are quicker to help the ones who THEY Deem "holy" who THEY Deem to be liek them, and the poor, suffering(in spirit, and in physical) parts of the body, are neglected and left to wither and fall off

18My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. 19And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. 20For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things. 21Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. 22And whatever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keeps his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he stays in us, by the Spirit which he has given us.

LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE, LIKE JESUS. Im stopping for now. But it seems allot of peopel use John To say IF you sin its ok. Allot of peopel say that if we say we dont sin, we arent saved. ITs a fear thing. They cling to the sn, becasue they have been programmed adn conditioned to belive that we will always be a sinner. Thats not what the bible says. But its NOT OUR STRENGTH THAT GETS US THERE. its ALL JEsus.

We are NOT supposed to sin, so if you live your life like its enevitable, then you are preconditioning your heart to accept the sn you belive you are BOUND to do. but these few chapters say that SIN is of SATAN. so you REALLY want to Look like SATAN even for a second?

then there are peopel that Say If i sin i must not be Born again. THAT also is not true. If you LIVE IN SIN, if you cant STOP livign in sin) then maybe you need to go havea talk with God, and humble yourself at the cross, adn ask for HIS power adn HIS life to take over adn clean you and wash you. But if you occasionaly have an outburst of Anger(stumble) occasionaly GIVE INTO a lustfull thought(not just have them..to have them is temptation, if the flash before your eyes, its temptation...to give IN is sin, to meditate on it)

Peter/John both said that if we LOVE we wont even Stumble. SO OUR MAIN objective in life. is to LOVE like Jesus. and Stay begging God for Humiltiy. Stay begging GOD to have all of the WORLD stripped from you. (his doing not ours) If we LOVE like Jesus, then there is NO WAY that we will sin. the minute we STOP loving like JEsus is when we sin, and THEN becasue OF the LOVE of JESUS, He can forgive us(70/times 7...or MORE) and then its liek we never sinned in the first place But we MUST go to HIM everytime.

LOVE. Its about LOVE. Not Hippy love, not the WORLDS love. But JESUS' Love. Love of the Bretheren. Keeping them fro mdeception, keeping them from ALL sin, Keeping them focused adn faced torward the Father at ALL times. Seeking to Knwo him deeper and deeper each and every Day, hour, minute, second.

LOVE, LIGHT, OBEDIENCE, TRUTH, THE WORD, THE SPIRIT, THE WAY, THE WALK...ALL JESUS.
ONLY POSSIBLE IN JESUS. May we all be more conformed to HIS Imamge, to that WAY, to that WALK. DO NOT Let the wisperers convince you to sin, But also do not let them convince you to stay in doubt, and Worry that you may not be on the path, if you see that you sinned, and walked off the path, REPENT and ask for forgiveness, and you are RIGHT back where you walked off.

Stop sinning. STOP loving the WORLD, and instead love JESUS. and OBEY HIM. Abide. Thsi is what JOHN is saying, You have sin, GO to Jesus, so he can CLEAN YOU OF ALL OF IT. and then STAY OUT OF IT. IF you sin, you have the eternal sacrifcie. BUT DONT, YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO. if you do, REPENT otherwise you are OUT of the will of GOD, and UNDER his judgment. YOu look liek the WORLD. you LOOK like satan. Repent.

AnandaHya · Aug 21, 2011

mmm i'm sitting here wondering what motivated this...I can almost see you shouting on the street corner the Gospel message through the verses of John's epistle

hope you have a lovely nit.

love u bro

Deadflesh · Aug 21, 2011

I woke up with this in my mind, so i let it all just roll out. Heh heh.

You have a a lovely night to Sister.

Ramon · Aug 22, 2011

Cobus · Aug 22, 2011

Hmm, Again at his comming, We shall be like He is(no glorified flesh UNTILL HE COMES) Which means that if we are NOT sons, true sons(beign led by the spirit in this life, the spirit leads to PUT TO DEATH the deeds of the flesh) At his comming we will shrink back(as the world will) why woudl we shrink back if its a secret rapture that ONLY the children of GOD know about and hear? if ONLY the children of GOD can hear the pretrib comming, then that measn the ones who ARE NOT ABIDNING(like john says abide, so you will NOT shrink back) will shrink back. SO HOW woudl one shrink back if they could not hear. PRetrib rapture says the whoel world will NOT know he comes. This says that the "christians" who were not abiding will shrink back at his comming...ok im gettign off topic.

Behold, what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knows us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he jushall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Now sorry but I think maybe this is what I will put after the first two veses....

Every person that God calls SON has undergone ONE BAPTISM! They were ALL FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD AT HIS BAPTISM! THEY WERE ALL BORN OF GOD AT THAT MOMENT!!!!

At the moment they were filled with the HOLY SPIRIT they were FILLED WITH CHRIST JESUS!!!! AT THAT MOMENT JESUS DID COME FOR THEM and INTO THEM! NOW THEY ARE ALREADY LIKE JESUS.

THEY ARE ALREADY CLOTHED WITH A MAN IN THE LIKENESS OF JESUS RESURRECTED!
Think a bit about this and ask me before we go on with the book, please do not break this down, I love this thread!

Please no judging and no negetiveness...

If you feel you want to get nasty DO NOT GIVE IN TO SATAN!! STAND AGAINST HIM AND HE WILL FLEE!

I got to get to the offie, see you soon. bye

AnandaHya · Aug 22, 2011

no Cobus it does not say that they are already like Him with glorified bodies like Jesus was after the resurrection. it says "but we know that (have faith in) WHEN He shall appear (notice FUTURE tense) we SHALL be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is."

We are to be pure in spirit and this fleshly body will die and God will give all His children new ones upon the coming of Christ.

not going to touch on the pretrib stuff, enough people talking about that already....

do you not know that even Moses only saw God's back and even the angels cover their faces in God's presence?

Deadflesh · Aug 22, 2011

Cobus said:

I agree with you Cobus. Exept for the JUST like him part, spiritually yes, at NEW birth(before we go and start stumbling again, and lettign bits of the world back in, like i did) We are NEW and we look like Jesus looked when he was Born(perfect un blemished spiritualy) But then becasue we ARE NOT Jesus, and DO have a sin natrue(Jesus did not, he was tempted TO sin, and could have sined, but he was born of a virgin, so he didnt have currupt flesh. ) However We still have stronghodls built up in us, that GOD now has to break and ge out, Our spirit is Brand new. But the flesh is old and fileld with demonic fortresses and they messed us up. SO Spiritually we are like him, HIS seed is in us, but we STILL have sin, and SELF in there too. and THEN JEsus cleasn out all the SIN, but then there is Still the SELF(which stumbles, thats what we need to deny) but most dont deny self, and then allow demons to build strongholds in them, sometiems the SAME as what JESUS jsut cleaned you of.

Anyway, So we wont look like Jesus TRULY LOOKS untill he comes back. We will see him as he TRULY IS, and will be just like that(thats so amazing to think about!!) But right now is sanctification JESUS IN US make US more like HIM in everyway, and he does that through WORD, Spirit, And Blood(all Him) And Us just submittign to his will more and more to PUT TO DEATH the deeds of the flesh.

Anyway glad you commented Cobus. Jesus bless you.

Cobus · Aug 22, 2011

Now both of you are really lovely people, and please hear the Word of God, i will use His Word to tell you how I believe I did not go through YET! Let me share with you how I see then are we in Jesus, and His Spirit in us.

I pray with ALL my heart that Jesus will bind us together in HIS LOVE. I am sharing this with you with ALL the Love God gae me thus far. And believe me IT IS A LOT! I was way further from God than you folks, when HE called me. And now 14 years in seclution (Just me and God and His Word) God did wonderful work on this pot. I was a dirty, rocky, full of junk peace of dirt. Then God picked me up and startd to sif out the rockes, with His fingers he took out the small junk, put me through His mill and grinded me to a FINE PURE POWDER, then HE ADDED HIS PURE WATER, to make me a lump of the FINEST clay in the universe, and then He "kneaved" (do not know the english word) (when you fold and mix, fold and mix clay untill it is of one consistancy)... me into the clay he puts on the turning wheel. Then HE starts to shape me like HIS SON, when HE was here on earth, just before He went up.

Please allow me to share with you just how glorious that flesh (body) was. That body Jesus had AFTER resurrection. When Jesus comes again he will come in the SAME flesh that He had when he was taken up in the clouds. The same flesh that was RESURRECTED out of the grave. The SAME flesh Jesus had Thomas touch, but not the same flesh Mary saw when He told her NOT TO TOUCH!!!!

This is not to diificult to understand, becasue it is God's Gospel, and it is easy to see what happened here. When God resurrected the flesh of Jesus he made it as HOLY as the body we would have when we are GLORIFIED AT THE REVELATION (1st RESURRECTION) this is the Body that Jesus had on the mountain when HE, Moses and Elijah were in that shiny form. Those are the EVERLASTING glorified bodies where we would not even be different in sex.

No Jesus showed us three bodies here on earth. One that He had on before the crusifixion, one He had on for a short while on the mountain, the everlasting body we will be clothed with at FINAL glorification, and one Jesus had on AFTER he came BACK FROM FATHER GOD! The one that can dissappear, and walk through walls and reappear MILES from where He was a second ago. This body is NOT BORN OF FLESH, BUT OF GOD!!!!

Let me explain. The first body Jesus had was one like I have now... Born from my mother! Then that body of Jesus died on the cross.... DEAD!!! The spirit left the soul in the body! And the SOUL DIED!!! (God had to forsake the body of Jesus otherwise it CANNOT die! That is why Jesus said... Eli Eli LAma Sabachtani... Then God resurrected Jesus. But because Jesus is God, and now HE had the glory that HE HAD ON THE MOUNTAIN, and the GLORY OF GOD HIMSELF, the one we will GET TO WEAR FOREVER COME THE REVELATION IN THE CLOUDS! That body MAY NOT BE TOUCHED BY A HUMAN!!! And that is why Jesus said... MARY TOUCH ME NOT FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED TO FATHER!!! This is the celestrial body! The one that will never grow old, or get sick..It is our heavenly bodies! The one we will be clothed with AFTER OUR incorruptable body was laid to rest... The incorruptable body is the body we get when the Holy Spirit enters into our corruptable bodies. this one I have on now! At rebirth this flesh of mine (the coruuptable body) is RENEWED to an INCORRUPTABLE state by the LIFE that enters into it AT THE SPIRIT BAPTISM!

So let me put it all in a few steps ok!

step one.... I am born into flesh made in my mom and I become a living breathing soul that fouls up, becasue this flesh is corruptable.

step two.... I repent and die! I physically DIE OF THIS corruptible flesh through REPENTANCE!!! This flesh reallly DIES IN REPENTANCE.

step three... now that i denied my flesh, gave up my life for his sake, I DIE FOR CORRUPTION! My spirit is now ready to be handed to God, and my spirit LEAVES MY BODY AS JESUS PRESENTS IT TO GOD... MY SOUL DIES!

step four.... The only way God can make this body a living soul again, is to do to it what HE did for Jesus... HE HAS TO GIVE IT A NEW LIFE, and that LIFE makes this body GLORIOUS to be INCORRUPTABLE... It can still grow old, and get wounds and scars, but it CANNOT BE CORRUPTED BY SIN!!! Sin corrupts ALL FLESH and ALL FLESH THAT DIED IN SIN WILL ALWAYS BE "NOT GLORIOUS, NOT INCORRUPTABLE" This is the flesh Jesus showed Thomas and said... Hey give me meat to eat, and here Thomas look at the holes in my hands and put your hand in my side.... This is the INCORRUPTABLE FLESH BORN FROM SPIRIT! It is the same fleash that walked with the men from EMMAUS, and the next moment dissappeared. It is the same fleah Philip had when he baptised the Enoch and DISSAPPEARED! It is the same flesh that WALKED through the wall to appear to the men in the upper room. It is the REBORN FLESH FROM GOD! The FLESH THAT CANNNOT BE CORRUPTED BY SIN AND CANNOT SIN. IT IS ALL NEW... The NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST! BORN FROM INCORRUPTABLE SEED! Tis is the body that is like the WIND, Nobody knows where it comes from or where it goes but it is here... and God sends and uses it as HE PLEASE.

Then when this flesh did what GOD DID IN IT, He puts it to SLEEP! As this flesh CANNOT DIE! He puts it to sleep... Remember the ... May God preserve your whole spirit soul and BODY BLAMELESS! This means that glorified body will rot, but it will not be corrupted! Becasue the final body is there to be revealed with CHRIST.

Ok now the soul and the spirit (you) are no longer in any body, but you are still IN GOD! And that person... YOU... will be revealed with Christ, becasue you were ALREADY LIKE HIM IN THE INCORRUPTABLE BODY, and BOTH YOU AND JESUS WILL NOW TAKE ON YOUR CELESTRIAL BODIES. THEN EVEN JESUS IS GOING TO LOSE THAT INCORRUPTABLE BODY THAT HE HAS NEXT TO GOD IN HEAVEN AT THIS VERY MOMENT,,,, Remember how STEPHAN SAW Jesus on the right hand of God? Jesus is still in HIS BOBY Of INCORRUPTABLE FLESH!!! His is on hold untill HE COMES ON THE CLOUDS,,,AND TOGETHER WE WILL BE REVEALED WITH HIM...IN THE FINAL CELESTRIAL, NON FLESH, NON SEX bodies!

Try this and then I will post the scriptures that God showed me to have me understand.

Thank you for your dear freindship, I think we are not put together to please the World, but to please God!

Strangelove · Aug 22, 2011

I've been cleansed from ALL unrighteousness, because God has forgotten my sins, and continues to do so...because He brought me to faith in Jesus Christ.

The Father forgives me, and I am still a worthless sinner who deserves death. But God forgets my sins day after day. Simply because I have faith.

What a wonderful God we have.

So I think I'll go out and sin as much as possible!! YAY! (that last bit was satire)

Seriously guys. Concentrate on preaching the Gospel. Forget about trying to be righteous by ceasing to sin. You will never do it. Not in this age.

zone · Aug 22, 2011

Strangelove said:

Amen!

Doc, you know i was looking at Galatians last night.

no greeting, no warmth, no doxology.

the most severe language paul uses.

O you FOOLISH Galatians - (dullof learning, slow to hear, spiritually dull)

we don't have any circumcision cults of any significance today, but the principle is the same: DID YOU RECEIVE THE SPIRIT AND GET SAVED BY THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL (what Christ HAS already done) OR DID YOU DO IT BY MAKING YOURSELF SOMETHING IN THE FLESH?

Paul, Peter, or an angel - if ANYBODY showed up with some works or flesh gospel (false) that subtracted from WHAT CHRIST HAS DONE, let him be ETERNALLY CURSED. i wonder if we believe how serious paul was.

how quickly we get religious and are 'bewitched" by this desire to DO SOMETHING in the FLESH to 'help' the Lord of Glory.

i love you Doc. i'm with you, right up close.
i want Christ Crucified for the forgiveness of my sins. NOTHING MORE.
love zonest

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Strangelove · Aug 22, 2011

And dont we hear this kinda thing SO much on the forums lolz..

Dear Editor:

How arrogant of Mr. Apostle to think he has the right to judge these people and label them accursed. Isn’t that God’s job? Regardless of this circumcision issue, these Galatians believe in Jesus just as much as he does, and it is very Pharisaical to condemn them just because they differ on such a secondary issue. Personally, I don’t want a sharp instrument anywhere near my zipper, but that doesn’t give me the right to judge how someone else follows Christ. Can’t we just focus on our common commitment to Christ and furthering His kingdom, instead of tearing down fellow believers over petty doctrinal matters?

Ed Bilgeway; Tonganoxie, KS

Cobus · Aug 22, 2011

Concentrate on preaching the Gospel.
Do you mean this Gospel..
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

And this Gospel...
6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

And this Gospel...
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

Oh there is many more if you want preaching my friend. Or enemy? (does not matter I love both)

This is your advise to us...
Forget about trying to be righteous by ceasing to sin. You will never do it. Not in this age.

I would rather foillow this advise...
REPENT AND BE BAPTISED ...How much must I repent...becasue I have HOPE..
3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

I have hope that I will also be reborn of God...and then this will transpire...
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You see strangelove even though I am not reborn YET, iu do believe this and also KNOW this. So I consider myself as one of this "WE" in this verse....
18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Oh all the RED text is straight from the Gospel.... Want some more Truth teachings Strangelove?

I KNOW what God's salvation has for every one that wants to be saved... It is way more than the false teachers preach... WAY mor..It is Jesus MORE!!!

Elizabeth619 · Aug 22, 2011

Strangelove said:

You mean to tell me all this time I keep telling people I am awesome and perfect that I am not? Bummer....

Btw, I agree with your post.

Elizabeth619 · Aug 22, 2011

We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

This means we as Christians can be forgiven because of repentence.

Hate to burst anyone's bubble that thinks they are PERFECT....but you arent!

Cobus · Aug 22, 2011

Beth, I am so glad it is not up to any of you or Satan, to determine that, it is in MY GOD'S hands and IN HIS SALVATION, AND NOTHING YOU PEOPLE say can change that....

Jesus was a fair God before he said these Words....
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
And Jesus is still a fair God even today, for still demanding that, because unlike many false teachers HE knows the extend of HIS SALVATION!

Praise the perfect salvation of JESUS CHRIST!

Elizabeth619 · Aug 22, 2011

Cobus said:

Beth, I am so glad it is not up to any of you or Satan, to determine that, it is in MY GOD'S hands and IN HIS SALVATION, AND NOTHING YOU PEOPLE say can change that....

Jesus was a fair God before he said these Words....
48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
And Jesus is still a fair God even today, for still demanding that, because unlike many false teachers HE knows the extend of HIS SALVATION!

Praise the perfect salvation of JESUS CHRIST!

You do realize Chrisitians can still sin dont you?

Cobus · Aug 22, 2011

Not the ones that are Born of God! The ones that went from sinner to repenting sinner (desciple) to Saint (stopped sinning) (spiritually pure and morally blameless.) Greek word (Hagios)... And then perfected into the Body of Christ (Rebirth/Holy Spirit baptism) Beth read Eph 4:11 to 13 in the KJV, please.
Let me post it and you can see they are all made to be "a perfect man"...

11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

jandian · Aug 22, 2011

Can't seem to get in a room without this topic coming up........
We are saved by grace....that is a fact.....
But Christ also came as our example to demonstrate power over sin and though we may continue to sin,
it is our responsibility to bring the flesh in subjection to Christ as He taught us......
I am sure non of us can disagree.

Elizabeth619 · Aug 22, 2011

...beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory both now and forever.2 Peter 3:17,18

Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19,20

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.Galatians 5:4

Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. Romans 11:22

For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire." 2 Peter 2:20-22

in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight -- if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister. Colossians 1:22,23

But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 1:7

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:4-6

He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels Revelation 3:5

For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Hebrews 10:26,27

For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, Hebrews 3:14

1 John

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