Now both of you are really lovely people, and please hear the Word of God, i will use His Word to tell you how I believe I did not go through YET! Let me share with you how I see then are we in Jesus, and His Spirit in us.
I pray with ALL my heart that Jesus will bind us together in HIS LOVE. I am sharing this with you with ALL the Love God gae me thus far. And believe me IT IS A LOT! I was way further from God than you folks, when HE called me. And now 14 years in seclution (Just me and God and His Word) God did wonderful work on this pot. I was a dirty, rocky, full of junk peace of dirt. Then God picked me up and startd to sif out the rockes, with His fingers he took out the small junk, put me through His mill and grinded me to a FINE PURE POWDER, then HE ADDED HIS PURE WATER, to make me a lump of the FINEST clay in the universe, and then He "kneaved" (do not know the english word) (when you fold and mix, fold and mix clay untill it is of one consistancy)...Kneaded(really close, just replace the V with the D) me into the clay he puts on the turning wheel. Then HE starts to shape me like HIS SON, when HE was here on earth, just before He went up. Right, thats what ALL Chidlren of GOD, are being done to(unless THEY Stop the process witht self, sin, and the world, then they ge scourged adn spanked untill they repent and humbly go back to him)
Romans 8:29
"For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren:"
Which is happening HERE. We are being conformed HERE, our GOAL is to be perfect, Our GOAL is to be pure, holy, righteous. not of OUR poer but of HIS in us. HOWEVER.
Philippians 4:21
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like to his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things to himself.
Paul says Jesus will change our vile body, to his glorious body AT his COMMING(in the clouds) And Paul goes to prove that by saying, in philipians 4:1 "SO stand firm" Why would we have to be told to stand firm? Becaseu its possible that the Christians he was talking to could NOT stand firm.
Please allow me to share with you just how glorious that flesh (body) was. That body Jesus had AFTER resurrection. When Jesus comes again he will come in the SAME flesh that He had when he was taken up in the clouds. The same flesh that was RESURRECTED out of the grave. The SAME flesh Jesus had Thomas touch, but not the same flesh Mary saw when He told her NOT TO TOUCH!!!!
This is not to diificult to understand, becasue it is God's Gospel, and it is easy to see what happened here. When God resurrected the flesh of Jesus he made it as HOLY as the body we would have when we are GLORIFIED AT THE REVELATION (1st RESURRECTION) this is the Body that Jesus had on the mountain when HE, Moses and Elijah were in that shiny form. Those are the EVERLASTING glorified bodies where we would not even be different in sex.
No Jesus showed us three bodies here on earth. One that He had on before the crusifixion, one He had on for a short while on the mountain, the everlasting body we will be clothed with at FINAL glorification, and one Jesus had on AFTER he came BACK FROM FATHER GOD! The one that can dissappear, and walk through walls and reappear MILES from where He was a second ago. This body is NOT BORN OF FLESH, BUT OF GOD!!!!
Let me explain. The first body Jesus had was one like I have now... Born from my mother!
Ok, i agree with that.
Then that body of Jesus died on the cross.... DEAD!!!
The spirit left the soul in the body! And the SOUL DIED!!! (God had to forsake the body of Jesus otherwise it CANNOT die! That is why Jesus said... Eli Eli LAma Sabachtani...
So do you belive Jesus literally went to hell? AFter the cross?
Then God resurrected Jesus. But because Jesus is God, and now HE had the glory that HE HAD ON THE MOUNTAIN, and the GLORY OF GOD HIMSELF, the one we will GET TO WEAR FOREVER COME THE REVELATION IN THE CLOUDS!
Amen I agree with that. too. Thats the glory we will have when he appears. HIS glory, i agree with that and its what scripture says.(though i think it may even be MORE glorious then we could immagine.)
That body MAY NOT BE TOUCHED BY A HUMAN!!! And that is why Jesus said... MARY TOUCH ME NOT FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED TO FATHER!!! This is the celestrial body! The one that will never grow old, or get sick..It is our heavenly bodies!
Ok so we dont have this body yet. But then Jesus came back in a DIFFERENT body, and the apostles didnt recognise him. What body was this?(im truly earnestly asking, not being sarcastic)
The one we will be clothed with AFTER OUR incorruptable body was laid to rest...
Ok.
The incorruptable body is the body we get when the Holy Spirit enters into our corruptable bodies. this one I have on now! So you are saying this flesh, The flesh you have after new birth, is Incorruptable? (or becommign so) Because i know our inner man is now incoruptable, but not this flesh, this flesh is still coruptable.
At rebirth this flesh of mine (the coruuptable body) is RENEWED to an INCORRUPTABLE state by the LIFE that enters into it AT THE SPIRIT BAPTISM! Yeah, SPIRIT baptism. It makes the SPIRIT incoruptable, taking your adam/man spirit and making it NEW(i will put in you a NEW spirit) its the spirit that is baptised(Covered) and made new, not the flesh, the flesh looks like satan still. and will alsways thats why we must NOT walk in the flesh, but walk in the SPIRIT. Becasue the SPIRIT is life, but the flesh is death, and judgment.
So let me put it all in a few steps ok! OK!
step one.... I am born into flesh made in my mom and I become a living breathing soul that fouls up, becasue this flesh is corruptable.
Ok. I agree.
step two.... I repent and die! I physically DIE OF THIS corruptible flesh through REPENTANCE!!! This flesh reallly DIES IN REPENTANCE.
Yes, but not skin and bones. The NATURE dies. Your flesh NATURE dies(and shoudl continue to be denied, and put to death daily)
step three... now that i denied my flesh, gave up my life for his sake, I DIE FOR CORRUPTION! My spirit is now ready to be handed to God, and my spirit LEAVES MY BODY AS JESUS PRESENTS IT TO GOD... MY SOUL DIES!
No, see you deny flesh nature(self/desire/works of the flesh) I KINDA agree with that. if by YOUR SPIRIT, you mean your life(our life is HID in Christ) So if im following you correctly, your SPirit is NOW in JEsus in heaven, and HIS spirit is now YOURS. I agree. But in this corrupt carton of flesh, we still have self( that we must deny daily, jesus wouldnt have said deny it daily if it went away when he came in) and Sin natrue(which are the strongholds...which DO leave when he comes in and washed you clean(but we can allow the demons BACK in to create more strngholds, of lust, greed, anger, covetousnes, lying, etc...)
step four.... The only way God can make this body a living soul again, is to do to it what HE did for Jesus... HE HAS TO GIVE IT A NEW LIFE, and that LIFE makes this body GLORIOUS to be INCORRUPTABLE... It can still grow old, and get wounds and scars, but it CANNOT BE CORRUPTED BY SIN!!!
But we do this by walking IN the spirit. I think maybe we are saying simmialr, but you hahah make it a bit more complicated. We walk in the NEW spirit(Holy spirit) and we DO NOT gratify the self/flesh/sinful nature, becasue its the NAtrue of GOD in us. And liek you have said GOD cant Sin. So while we are IN God(in the spirit) we dotn sin, But at ANY MOMENT we can Be OUT of God, and then sin. Whcih means in that moment we look like satan, but BECASUE OF GRACE AND MERCY, we have JESUS as the sacrifce for sin, and we go to HIM and repent, and then its like it never happened GOds hedge is back on us, and we are clean.
Sin corrupts ALL FLESH and ALL FLESH THAT DIED IN SIN WILL ALWAYS BE "NOT GLORIOUS, NOT INCORRUPTABLE"
Sin Has once and for all currupted ALL flesh. THIS FLESH cant be inccuruptable, only the SPIRIT is incoruptable. JESUS is coming with our incoruptable Bodies, but This flesh nature must die. YOu DONT GET A NEW FLESH NATURE, but you get GODS spirit nature that we must WALK IN.
This is the flesh Jesus showed Thomas and said... Hey give me meat to eat, and here Thomas look at the holes in my hands and put your hand in my side.... This is the INCORRUPTABLE FLESH BORN FROM SPIRIT! It is the same fleash that walked with the men from EMMAUS, and the next moment dissappeared. It is the same fleah Philip had when he baptised the Enoch and DISSAPPEARED!
No Philip DID NOT have some special dissapearing flesh body, the scriptures say "THE SPIRIT CARRIED HIM AWAY" It was the SPIRIT in him. it was SPIRIT, not inncoruptable flesh. you seem to miss that maybe, my friend.
Acts 8:39-40
"And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
Philip, was caught away by the SPIRIT OF GOD. This is soemthign GOD has not done since then, and GOD did it for a specific reason. it wasnt a glorified body. It was the SPIRIT moving(unglorifed in the flesh, philip) to a new location to spread the gospel (please dont change my favorite chapter in acts)
It is the same flesh that WALKED through the wall to appear to the men in the upper room.
It is the REBORN FLESH FROM GOD! The FLESH THAT CANNNOT BE CORRUPTED BY SIN AND CANNOT SIN. IT IS ALL NEW...
No my friend Our flesh is NOT inncoruptable UNTILL Christ returns. We have incurruptable SPIRIT in us, and THAT is where we should stay. But this FLESH nature(and body) is, and will stay corrupted by SIN, but we have the grace to NOT walk in it. THAT is how we NOT sin we walk in SPIRIT, SPIRIT is God, JESUS in us. When we are in HIM we are dead to this natrue, buried in his death, and ressurected in HIS life.
IN HIM. We becasue of the flesh nature can CHOOSE to walk in SATAN(flesh/desire/self) or Walk in JESUS(SPirit, Deny self, GODS wil) and IN Jesus ther is not sin, But it doesnt mean we gain a NEW flesh my friend, thats wrong.
The NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST! BORN FROM INCORRUPTABLE SEED! Tis is the body that is like the WIND, Nobody knows where it comes from or where it goes but it is here... and God sends and uses it as HE PLEASE.
NO my friend, You are twisitng scriptrue my friend, its not a BODY, but the SPIRIT IN the body. NO NEW BODY. OLD BODY untill Christ comes. But HIS spirit that is growing conforming our nature to his, almost like choping down peices of the carnal nature nad grafting in peices of JESUS, of GODS nature. But NOT a new Body. NOT a glorifed Flesh.
John 3:8
"The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."
Those LED by the spirit of GOD are sons of GOD. Thats what this is refering to. When GOD leads us with HIS spirit(not a new flesh) we are like the wind, we are guided and moved by GOD and not self, nor man. THIS DOES NOT SAY YOU GET A NEW FLESH NATURE. NO GOD is DONE with FLESH HE is concerened with spirit, and JEsus said those born of SPIRIT are like the wind, becasuethey are LED by the spirit that is in them.
Then when this flesh did what GOD DID IN IT, He puts it to SLEEP! As this flesh CANNOT DIE! He puts it to sleep... Remember the ... May God preserve your whole spirit soul and BODY BLAMELESS! This means that glorified body will rot, but it will not be corrupted! Becasue the final body is there to be revealed with CHRIST.
Umm, Spirit soul, body BLameless, means in essence
"May God preserve your heart, you mind, and your spirit, holy"
May ALL you do, say, think, be holy. WORD and DEED, may it match up to GOD. and STAY that wa untill JESUS comes back (mark of the beast is on the right hand, and on the forhead, thats a picture of WORK and DEAD, Heart, mind, Strength, ) ARe your works, are you thoughts, deeds, pleaseing to JESUS, To GOD, or to self, the world, man thedevil? This flesh CAN died, adn WILL die, it MUST die becasue its currupt. If you still sin, even on an occasion proves that htis flesh is Corupt. DOes that mean we have an excuse to walk i nthe flesh? NO!! by no means, we walk i nthe flesh, we sin. We walk in the spirit we dont. NO NEW BODY TILL JESUS
Ok now the soul(soul is GODS breath, combining with the Dirt of the earth, ALL of the earth will be burned up, but the spirit remains, and JESUS coems with our NEW bodies) and the spirit (you)(ok, again I agree with the spirit beign ME, MY life, Which is NOW hid in Christ, and HIS spirit is in me, and HIS spsirt is where i should walk, NO NEW FLESH NATURE) are no longer in any body, but you are still IN GOD! And that person... YOU... will be revealed with Christ, becasue you were ALREADY LIKE HIM IN THE INCORRUPTABLE BODY, and BOTH YOU AND JESUS WILL NOW TAKE ON YOUR CELESTRIAL BODIES. THEN EVEN JESUS IS GOING TO LOSE THAT INCORRUPTABLE BODY THAT HE HAS NEXT TO GOD IN HEAVEN AT THIS VERY MOMENT,,,, Remember how STEPHAN SAW Jesus on the right hand of God? Jesus is still in HIS BOBY Of INCORRUPTABLE FLESH!!! His is on hold untill HE COMES ON THE CLOUDS,,,AND TOGETHER WE WILL BE REVEALED WITH HIM...IN THE FINAL CELESTRIAL, NON FLESH, NON SEX bodies!
Well I see what you are saying, And i tend to agree in part, but you are still ADING to what scripture says(i KNOW you are not doing this purposefully) But we DO NOT have a new glorifed body. We will NOT be able to walk through walls on this earth. WE may have the FAITH to walk on water, if GOD so grants it to us(but that was more of a spiritual picture of the storms we face, then an actuall picture of us walking around on water) We WILL NOT ever have inncuruptable FLEHS body or FLesh nature HERE. No. I STRONGLY belive we can cease fro mSIn in the SAME way JESUS did when he was here. He RESISTED IT. IF we sin, we also, becasue of his grace adn mercy, have an ETERNAL sacrifce to go and get cleaned off at, but again MY friedn cobus, We WON"T have an incurruptable body here. NO NEW FLESH. We live in this dead sinnign flesh, and MAintain LIVING IN, WALKING IN the SPirit of CHRIST. in HIS SPIRIT is where we have life, IN HIS PSIRIT Is where we mortify the deeds of the flesh. NOT in any other place but HIS SPIRIT IN US.
Try this and then I will post the scriptures that God showed me to have me understand.
Thank you for your dear freindship, I think we are not put together to please the World, but to please God!
You have a a lovely night to Sister.
