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Oh! Visions are seen? Imagine that.

Yes.

So a vision can be a couple different types of things.

1. it is not something literally seen happening but is more like things seen in a dream or altered state of some kind.

2. Something actually seen using normal human vision.

Number 2 is what took place during the transfiguration.
 
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1 Corinthians 15
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

In my opinion this scripture makes it very clear. It does matter if the word “inherit” is rendered “enter”

As long as you are in the flesh you cannot, get into, enter, inherit, take part in, the kingdom of God.
 

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1 Corinthians 15
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

In my opinion this scripture makes it very clear. It does matter if the word “inherit” is rendered “enter”

As long as you are in the flesh you cannot, get into, enter, inherit, take part in, the kingdom of God.
That's not what it is teaching. It means the kingdom of God is spiritual. As such, it has none of the limitations of an earthly kingdom.
The kingdom of God has no borders, it has a king that is eternal, and it can manifest anywhere.
 
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That's not what it is teaching. It means the kingdom of God is spiritual. As such, it has none of the limitations of an earthly kingdom.
The kingdom of God has no borders, it has a king that is eternal, and it can manifest anywhere.
So when the Bible says “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

What it really is saying is the kingdom of God is spiritual and has no limitations….

The Greek disagrees with you…

The word "kingdom", like the Greek basileia, has regard to sovereignty rather than territory, and to the sphere of its exercise rather than to its extent. Using the word "kingdom" in this sense, and in that which is conveyed in its English termination "dom", which is short for dominion, we note that the former expression, "the Kingdom of heaven", occurs only in Matthew, where we find it thirty-two times (*1).

But in the parallel passages in the other Gospels we find, instead, the expression "the Kingdom of God" (e.g. cp. Matt. 11:11 with Luke 7:28). The explanation of this seeming difference is that the Lord spoke in Aramaic; certainly not in the Greek of the Gospel documents.

Now "heaven" is frequently used by the Figure Metonymy (of the Subject), for God Himself, Whose dwelling is there. See Ps. 73:9. Dan. 4:26, 29. 2Chron. 32:20. Matt. 21:25. Luke 15:21 ("I have sinned against heaven" is thus contrasted with the words "and in thy sight"). John 3:27.

Our suggestion is that in all the passages where the respective expressions occur, identical words were spoken by the Lord, "the Kingdom of heaven"; but when it came to putting them into Greek, Matthew was Divinely guided to retain the figure of speech literally ("heaven"), so as to be in keeping with the special character, design, and scope of his Gospel while, in the other Gospels, the figure was translated as being what it also meant, "the Kingdom of God".
Thus, while the same in a general sense, the two expressions are to be distinguished in their meaning and in their interpretation, as follows :--



The Kingdom (or Sovereignty) of HEAVEN

Has Messiah for its King;
It is from heaven; and under the heavens upon the earth;
It is limited in its scope;
It is political in its sphere;
It is Jewish and exclusive in its character;
It is national in its aspect;
It is the special subject of Old Testament prophecy;
And it is dispensational in its duration.


The Kingdom (or Sovereignty) of GOD

Has God for its Ruler;
It is in heaven, over the earth;
It is unlimited in its scope;
It is moral and spiritual in its sphere;
It is inclusive in its character (embracing the natural and spiritual seeds of Abraham, "the heavenly calling", and the "Church" of the Mystery). Hence,
It is universal in its aspect;
It is (in its wider aspect) the subject of New Testament revelation;
And will be eternal in its duration. ~ Ew Bullinger.
 

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This is a bittersweet story where all 10 bridemaids were prepared to meet the Lord but there was a delay and some became disillusioned and because of their actions they became the foolish. Sleeping sometimes refers to a christian's death before the resurrection but in this case they are fully alive. The Bridegroom was obviously the Lord. There was no condemnation for those sleeping as they waited on the Lord. The jewish wedding analogy is deeply entrenched in this story. It was custom in the days of Yeshua that the bridemaids escorted the Bride to the Bridegoom's abode ( in this case heaven ) along with the entourage of the Bridegroom. The bridegroom always came at night and tried to surprise the Bride and always came after dark so lamps were needed.

IMO the Bridemaids represents Israel; as God had always intended Israel to bring the message of salvation to the entire world, both jew and gentile alike. The nation of Israel was to lead the gentiles the way to Christ.

This story takes place during the Tribulation. The time of peace and security is over for Israel. A rebellion and a falling away is taking place. The foolish are saying: Is this the one we seek?? The dealers re the disciples of the antichrist leading some to destruction. The oil these dealers are selling is fuel for the lake of Fire!

We looked for peace, but no good came, for a time of healing, but behold terror. The snorting of the horses ( disciples ) is heard from Dan; at the neighing of their stallilons the whole land quakes. They come to devour the land all the fills it, the city ( jerusalem ) and those that dwell in it Jeremiah 8: 15-16
You are noy wrong in your thinking it is only by the spirit you understood and heard the message

It is sadly not a path for the average belivers your heart has to truly believe truly want to be the abnormal the strange the black sheep that is where the deeper things of god is the real mind shattering truth that is him

Keep chasing this a;;ow an openiss for him to teach you what real truth is what real love is what and who he really is and who we are to him and him.

Think about it people become drunk all the time but if you have evenr blacked out or ever gotten so drunk your actions and movem,ents even your own words are greatly alertered this is just the way the human body works it is physical and affected by physical and normal means the most you get sp[IRITUALLY IS DEMONIC ATTACLS AND i KNOW FROM Experience

The real truth the meaning and purpose the cause of this all the reason why we were created the reason for everythin that has gone down in our lives was for a design a specific purpose a person he saw from creating us but left the choice to ourselves to decide who we would become.

Time is not our friend we are asking the right questions we study the word of god but does something not seem to be missing?

Are we really just all talk? we say anything is possible with God we say we believe this but look at the results something is obviously obviously missing by his words alone if you take his as sacred and holy he clearly gave the requirments he clearly and directly said what was possible or not you can interpret it or logically decipher what he meant but he was plain and simple he said with the faith of a mustard seed anything is possible with God he spoke with absulutele authority absolute truth yetr bwe cannot even do the most basic lessons we overcomplicate use logic and reasoning we study and study yet the truth still escapes us and no one thought this was for a reason?

It is not time to be scholars we have to probe his word to be true not merely speak it and teach if you really believe if you are willing to go the distance willing to endure all that will come from it you will be given the real thing not just myths or beleifs of things no he is real to you at that point go ahead and invite him to live with you to eat drink and just always be there with you you reside in him in IN him you say you believe you say you have a personal relationship with him but yet the things I speak of of being so close and connected with him is seen aS DELUSIONAL FALSE i AM ATTCKED TORN DOW AND BEATEN BUT i HAVE ONLY HAD A TASTE OF HIM and yet I say these things knowing the results that likely will come.

You don't do that for any reason you have to have an actual reason an actual resolve the point is no longer what we understand in scripture that was merely the training session the test of if your heart was in this or not any understanding of the scripture doesn't matter if the heart is not in the right it is the floor to the house built the heart of a person decides everything the motive the purpose the core of their being the reason they fight the reason of seeking to be strong in him to begin with

Decide for yourself who you serve today not tomorrow or any other time today because he is not playing around even unbelievers can fell the end is coming remember the parable of the tend virgins they had oil for a reason
 

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So when the Bible says “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

What it really is saying is the kingdom of God is spiritual and has no limitations….

The Greek disagrees with you…

The word "kingdom", like the Greek basileia, has regard to sovereignty rather than territory, and to the sphere of its exercise rather than to its extent. Using the word "kingdom" in this sense, and in that which is conveyed in its English termination "dom", which is short for dominion, we note that the former expression, "the Kingdom of heaven", occurs only in Matthew, where we find it thirty-two times (*1).

But in the parallel passages in the other Gospels we find, instead, the expression "the Kingdom of God" (e.g. cp. Matt. 11:11 with Luke 7:28). The explanation of this seeming difference is that the Lord spoke in Aramaic; certainly not in the Greek of the Gospel documents.

Now "heaven" is frequently used by the Figure Metonymy (of the Subject), for God Himself, Whose dwelling is there. See Ps. 73:9. Dan. 4:26, 29. 2Chron. 32:20. Matt. 21:25. Luke 15:21 ("I have sinned against heaven" is thus contrasted with the words "and in thy sight"). John 3:27.

Our suggestion is that in all the passages where the respective expressions occur, identical words were spoken by the Lord, "the Kingdom of heaven"; but when it came to putting them into Greek, Matthew was Divinely guided to retain the figure of speech literally ("heaven"), so as to be in keeping with the special character, design, and scope of his Gospel while, in the other Gospels, the figure was translated as being what it also meant, "the Kingdom of God".
Thus, while the same in a general sense, the two expressions are to be distinguished in their meaning and in their interpretation, as follows :--



The Kingdom (or Sovereignty) of HEAVEN

Has Messiah for its King;
It is from heaven; and under the heavens upon the earth;
It is limited in its scope;
It is political in its sphere;
It is Jewish and exclusive in its character;
It is national in its aspect;
It is the special subject of Old Testament prophecy;
And it is dispensational in its duration.


The Kingdom (or Sovereignty) of GOD

Has God for its Ruler;
It is in heaven, over the earth;
It is unlimited in its scope;
It is moral and spiritual in its sphere;
It is inclusive in its character (embracing the natural and spiritual seeds of Abraham, "the heavenly calling", and the "Church" of the Mystery). Hence,
It is universal in its aspect;
It is (in its wider aspect) the subject of New Testament revelation;
And will be eternal in its duration. ~ Ew Bullinger.
Sovereignty still works for the kingdom of God. Is Christ not sovereign over all things? Is He not building His church and the gates of hell are not prevailing against it?
 

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So when the Bible says “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.

What it really is saying is the kingdom of God is spiritual and has no limitations….

The Greek disagrees with you…

The word "kingdom", like the Greek basileia, has regard to sovereignty rather than territory, and to the sphere of its exercise rather than to its extent. Using the word "kingdom" in this sense, and in that which is conveyed in its English termination "dom", which is short for dominion, we note that the former expression, "the Kingdom of heaven", occurs only in Matthew, where we find it thirty-two times (*1).

But in the parallel passages in the other Gospels we find, instead, the expression "the Kingdom of God" (e.g. cp. Matt. 11:11 with Luke 7:28). The explanation of this seeming difference is that the Lord spoke in Aramaic; certainly not in the Greek of the Gospel documents.

Now "heaven" is frequently used by the Figure Metonymy (of the Subject), for God Himself, Whose dwelling is there. See Ps. 73:9. Dan. 4:26, 29. 2Chron. 32:20. Matt. 21:25. Luke 15:21 ("I have sinned against heaven" is thus contrasted with the words "and in thy sight"). John 3:27.

Our suggestion is that in all the passages where the respective expressions occur, identical words were spoken by the Lord, "the Kingdom of heaven"; but when it came to putting them into Greek, Matthew was Divinely guided to retain the figure of speech literally ("heaven"), so as to be in keeping with the special character, design, and scope of his Gospel while, in the other Gospels, the figure was translated as being what it also meant, "the Kingdom of God".
Thus, while the same in a general sense, the two expressions are to be distinguished in their meaning and in their interpretation, as follows :--



The Kingdom (or Sovereignty) of HEAVEN

Has Messiah for its King;
It is from heaven; and under the heavens upon the earth;
It is limited in its scope;
It is political in its sphere;
It is Jewish and exclusive in its character;
It is national in its aspect;
It is the special subject of Old Testament prophecy;
And it is dispensational in its duration.


The Kingdom (or Sovereignty) of GOD

Has God for its Ruler;
It is in heaven, over the earth;
It is unlimited in its scope;
It is moral and spiritual in its sphere;
It is inclusive in its character (embracing the natural and spiritual seeds of Abraham, "the heavenly calling", and the "Church" of the Mystery). Hence,
It is universal in its aspect;
It is (in its wider aspect) the subject of New Testament revelation;
And will be eternal in its duration. ~ Ew Bullinger.
Luke 17:21...the kingdom of God is within you...
 
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Luke 17:21...the kingdom of God is within you...
Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

The verse you rendered is actually translated “amongst” moreover; that does little to none of proven whether we shall spend the eternity in flesh or spiritual bodies.
 

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Matthew 12:28
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

The verse you rendered is actually translated “amongst” moreover; that does little to none of proven whether we shall spend the eternity in flesh or spiritual bodies.
The verses are talking about 2 different things. One is speaking of the nature of the kingdom. The other speaks to its evidence.

The kingdom of God can exist inside flesh, but it does not consist of it, any more than your mind is a part of your flesh.

As far as what kind of bodies we will have...we will be like Him.
 
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The verses are talking about 2 different things. One is speaking of the nature of the kingdom. The other speaks to its evidence.

The kingdom of God can exist inside flesh, but it does not consist of it, any more than your mind is a part of your flesh.

As far as what kind of bodies we will have...we will be like Him.
Yes we will be like Him, and He is no longer in the flesh.
There is clear documentation that Jesus is God. And… John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 

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Yes we will be like Him, and He is no longer in the flesh.
There is clear documentation that Jesus is God. And… John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Evidently it is a body that can go through walls and eat food. But I still think you are missing the point. It's not about a body or no body. The kingdom of God is in a spiritual dimension. Having a body or not is immaterial to the kingdom.
 

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Yes we will be like Him, and He is no longer in the flesh.
There is clear documentation that Jesus is God. And… John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies.

Pointed out to you before...
 
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Evidently it is a body that can go through walls and eat food. But I still think you are missing the point. It's not about a body or no body. The kingdom of God is in a spiritual dimension. Having a body or not is immaterial to the kingdom.
Not so… If in fact the nature of the body didn’t matter regarding the kingdom, the words “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom” would have not been uttered.

This is further confirmed in John 3

And denotes to those living in the end time that if you are in the flesh the true Messiah has not returned.
 
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There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies.

Pointed out to you before...
Of course…
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
 
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That refers to humans only.
It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2Cor. 5:17. Eph. 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Rom. 8:14, 15. 1John 3:1). (*1)

This is why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the expression is used in the Old Testament. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Ps. 29:1; 89:6. Dan. 3:25 (no art.). (*2) We have no authority or right to take the expression in Gen. 6:2, 4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Gen. 6:2 the Sept. renders it "angels". Angels are called "spirits" (Ps. 104:4. Heb. 1:7, 14), for spirits are created by God. Companion Bible

No way is that referring to only humans.
 

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It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2Cor. 5:17. Eph. 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Rom. 8:14, 15. 1John 3:1). (*1)

This is why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the expression is used in the Old Testament. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Ps. 29:1; 89:6. Dan. 3:25 (no art.). (*2) We have no authority or right to take the expression in Gen. 6:2, 4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Gen. 6:2 the Sept. renders it "angels". Angels are called "spirits" (Ps. 104:4. Heb. 1:7, 14), for spirits are created by God. Companion Bible

No way is that referring to only humans.
Jesus is explaining the new birth in John 3:6, and that does not apply to angels but humans.
 
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Jesus is explaining the new birth in John 3:6, and that does not apply to angels but humans.
It does apply, we were angels before we were in the flesh. And when this age is over we will shed flesh and become angels once again.

The application is shown in Jude where some angels (spirits) refused to be born through the flesh, but left there habitat..

Not to mention..
AGAIN: Greek word #509 anothen (an'-o-then);from 507; from above; by analogy, from the first; by implication, anew: KJV-- from above, again, from the beginning (very first), the top.​
The man, Nicodemus then speaks of the womb and Jesus does not correct him. Jesus acknowledges that man will not go through the womb for this second birth.

Jesus then removes all difficulty for us by telling Nicodemus in verse 6: "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." Water baptism, while important, was simply not the subject in this Scripture. For water Baptism does not make one "born of the flesh," but the birth from the amniotic fluid of the womb does.

John 3:3-10
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [no mention of water Baptism here! The "water" from the above verse is the "flesh" in this verse]
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind ['The 'Spirit' in the Greek, with the article, i.e., The Holy Spirit. - Strong's # 4154 pneuma]bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit ['The 'Spirit' in the Greek, with the article, i.e., The Holy Spirit. - Strong's # 4154 pneuma] .
 
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The one-third spoken of in Revelation 12 are not the fallen angels. The fallen angels are angels (spiritual beings, not flesh, per say), the one-third are people in the flesh now. Allow me to make a quick explanation for the laughter. In the world that was (2nd Pet 3:6 , Gen 1:1) all souls lived, we were all alive in the first earth age. Then satan rebelled (Isa 14:12-14) and caused one-third of the souls (God's children) to join him in a rebellion and attempted take-over of the Throne of God (Rev 12:4a). At that time, we were all alive yes, but we were in spiritual bodies (1st Cor 15:44).

God hated Esau before he was born, God knew Jeremiah before he was born…
So what was Jeremiah and Esau before they were men in the flesh?
Perhaps cups of yogurt.
As was stated… Angels are called "spirits" (Ps. 104:4. Heb. 1:7, 14), for spirits are created by God.

At death…
Ecclesiastes 7:12
then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.