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Well, you have to show me where there are good scribes in the Bible. Jesus did not seem to distinguish between a good scribe and a bad scribe. See, God inspired men to write His Words and to preserve them in other languages. Therein is the difference. For Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. Most Modern Translations are based upon Wescott and Horts' corrupt Greek text.
i'd probably have to honestly count the KJV as "modern" in that sense (unicorns). there are bound to be problems taking anything complex and nuanced said in one language and putting it into another.
i sure trust it more than anything that's a paraphrase.
i just wouldn't toss out anything that's been done since the KJV simply because it's come later. that more manuscripts have been found and better understanding of the language has been achieved is a fact, right?
lol we're not even talking about Acts 8:37 anymore -- how quickly we go off topic! ha! at least we're not still calling the OP a robot.
i sure trust it more than anything that's a paraphrase.
i just wouldn't toss out anything that's been done since the KJV simply because it's come later. that more manuscripts have been found and better understanding of the language has been achieved is a fact, right?
lol we're not even talking about Acts 8:37 anymore -- how quickly we go off topic! ha! at least we're not still calling the OP a robot.
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Ok, as long as you realise your argument doesn't make sense. Which scribes/scholars are wrong and which ones are right, and why? That is the real discussion, not "All scholars are bad, Jesus said so." Because he didn't, and it makes the KJV position as problematic as any other.
Yes, we should be careful with scholars tell us, as we should be careful about what anyone says. Jesus will judge all based on what we do and say. But that doesn't help us much in this discussion.
Yes, we should be careful with scholars tell us, as we should be careful about what anyone says. Jesus will judge all based on what we do and say. But that doesn't help us much in this discussion.
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Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
i'd probably have to honestly count the KJV as "modern" in that sense (unicorns). there are bound to be problems taking anything complex and nuanced said in one language and putting it into another.
i sure trust it more than anything that's a paraphrase.
i just wouldn't toss out anything that's been done since the KJV simply because it's come later. that more manuscripts have been found and better understanding of the language has been achieved is a fact, right?
lol we're not even talking about Acts 8:37 anymore -- how quickly we go off topic! ha! at least we're not still calling the OP a robot.
i sure trust it more than anything that's a paraphrase.
i just wouldn't toss out anything that's been done since the KJV simply because it's come later. that more manuscripts have been found and better understanding of the language has been achieved is a fact, right?
lol we're not even talking about Acts 8:37 anymore -- how quickly we go off topic! ha! at least we're not still calling the OP a robot.
So it's important that we understand Early Modern English and how they spoke back then so we don't jump to any wrong conclusions.
Many today ignorantly think that the KJV is referencing Unicorns as talking about a mythological creature. That is silly. It talking about any one horned animal. This terms is even used in Science today.
So it's important that we understand Early Modern English and how they spoke back then so we don't jump to any wrong conclusions.
So it's important that we understand Early Modern English and how they spoke back then so we don't jump to any wrong conclusions.
ooh! scholarship!
** agreed **
Thank you. I stand corrected. I love it when someone points out when I wrong.
It is rare, but I do appreciate it (Because it is a learning experience).
Anyways, this still does not eliminate the truth in what Jesus had said, though. Jesus did also say .... Beware of the Scribes, too. Meaning, we have to be on the look out for bad scribes. How can we know the bad scribes from the good scribes? By their fruits (of course).
It is rare, but I do appreciate it (Because it is a learning experience).
Anyways, this still does not eliminate the truth in what Jesus had said, though. Jesus did also say .... Beware of the Scribes, too. Meaning, we have to be on the look out for bad scribes. How can we know the bad scribes from the good scribes? By their fruits (of course).
ooh! scholarship!
** agreed **
** agreed **
Please take note that I did not intentionally set out to quote this verse. It just came to my mind as per your response.
No. The majority of translations do not have the word "study" here at Biblehub,
or here at Biblegateway.
or here at Biblegateway.
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Yeah these are definately good scribes, Jesus said he would send them, and one can be demonstrated here, and even the concept Jesus weaves into understanding (and the kingdom) and the scribe, but that pertains more to the heart (and Satan coming to take away what was sown in the same) because of a lack of understanding, but we know God gives understanding.
Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him,
Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mark 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly,
he said unto him,Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
Mat 13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things?
They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
Mat 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructedunto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
So one batch comes up behind the other
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
But of the other scribes Jesus actually tells of the things they would do and what they would receive the greater condemnation for and it didnt include messing with the scriptures there, so if Jesus didnt say it I woudnt repeat it.
Sorry, I was studying while posting here and I didnt have anything stashed on the side lol took me longer
Mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him,
Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Mark 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly,
he said unto him,Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
Mat 13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things?
They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
Mat 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructedunto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
So one batch comes up behind the other
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
But of the other scribes Jesus actually tells of the things they would do and what they would receive the greater condemnation for and it didnt include messing with the scriptures there, so if Jesus didnt say it I woudnt repeat it.
Sorry, I was studying while posting here and I didnt have anything stashed on the side lol took me longer
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The actual problem is that the KJV there does not specifically mean academic study when it says 'study', and the underlying Greek in 2 Tim does not call for a specifically academic context. It simply means to devote oneself or to work at something, not necessarily academically. So Shakespeare can write in a Winter's Tale: "to be more thankful to thee shall be my study, and my profit therein the heaping friendships."
One must always be careful not to read 21st century meanings into 17th century words.
One must always be careful not to read 21st century meanings into 17th century words.
No, no. 2 Timothy 2:15 is in context to study because that is what it says. It says in context to "rightly dividing the truth." 2 Timothy 3:16 talks about how all Scripture is given to us by inspiration of God. So we keep coming back to the Word of God. Paul says in Verse 15 to Timothy that he has known the Holy Scriptures since he was a child. Obviously this would involve the study of God's Word whereby they would rightly divide the Word of Truth.
Also, we have to think from the enemy's perspective as to why would he remove Acts 8:37? What important truth does it hold? Well, it is telling us that we can be baptize after we have believed with all our heart. This is important to understand because the Catholics baptize newborn babies (Which would be in opposition to this verse).
So again. Acts 8:37 is supposed to be in your Bible (And for good reason).
So again. Acts 8:37 is supposed to be in your Bible (And for good reason).