OSAS doctrine denies the faith

DiscipleDave · Jun 7, 2015

This is what you believe, yet Jesus Himself never, not one time, instructed Christians to keep the 10 Commandments. Also not one Apostle, ever, not even one time, instructed Christians to continue to keep the 10 Commandments. So Jesus never instructed to do that, the Apostles never instructed to do that, so tell me again, why you are instructing people to do so?

The Apostle John plainly told us what His Commandments are, yet this generation REFUSES to believe it, and ADD Commandments which Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed for Christians to do.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep His commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

This Generation of false teaching will teach that His Commandments are the 10 Commandments. But what does the Apostle John, who was filled with the Holy Ghost, walked with Jesus, heard Jesus teach personally say His Commandments are?

1Jn 3:23 And this is His commandment, (Pay ATTENTION, the Apostle is about to plainly tell us what His Commandments are ) That we should 1) believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and 2) love one another, as He gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth His commandments dwelleth in Him, and He in him. And hereby we know that He abideth in us, by the Spirit which He hath given us.

Strange that the Apostle John did NOT mention His Commandments are the 10 Commandments. Do you know why, because it is not the Truth, it is a false teaching, it is not Scriptural, and woe to those who continue to teach this false doctrine, in light of the Truth that was just presented to them, via the Holy Inspired Scriptures. They want to ADD to what His Commandments are. And here is the indisputable Truth. Jesus nor any Apostle ever instructed Christians to continue to keep the 10 Commandments, only False Teachers of this generation teach that. Because they do not know the Truth, but think they do.

Do not believe ANYONE who teaches things that are contrary to the Word of God.

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DiscipleDave · Jun 7, 2015

kennethcadwell said:

This statement can't be True, and you are your own witness it is not True. You say they showed by love the 10 commandments will be upheld, yet you testify that

So the 10 are NOT upheld are they? Seems now only 9 are upheld.

kennethcadwell said:

This is True. The problem is people teaching you MUST keep the 10 commandments, or teaching that His Commandments are the 10 Commandments, This is simply not the Truth. His Commandment is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, Now by doing that Commandment, you indeed comply with most of the 10 commandments.

The Commandments are nothing, LOVE ONE ANOTHER is what Jesus wants us to do, and commands us to do.

There is a commandment that says "Thou shalt not steal" So do you think a person commits sin when they steal from another person, because of that Commandment? Nay, that commandment is OLD Covenant, given to the Israelites to follow and obey. That person that stole did not commit sin because they broke one of the 10 commandments, that person commits sin because they FAILED to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, they failed to love the person they stole from. NOTHING to do with the Commandment Thou shalt not steal, but everything to do with LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Anyone who teaches a Christian MUST keep the 10 Commandments does not know the Truth, the 10 Commandments are NOTHING. A NEW Commandments i give unto you, to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, We Christians are Commanded to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, and in doing that Commandment, you will comply with not only most of the 10 Commandments under the old covenant, but many more commandments, statutes, and ordinances that are also under the old covenant.

Here is the Truth. The 10 Commandments were given to the Israelite people as a COVENANT to follow and to obey, they did not keep that covenant, and it is also written that God would give His people a New Covenant to follow and obey. The old covenant is the 10 commandments. The New Covenant is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, which is far better, and far more difficult than only having to keep the 10 commandments. i could keep the 10 commandments perfectly (and do) and still end up in Hell for all eternity. It is NOT about the 10 commandments, it is ALL about LOVE ONE ANOTHER. Which is the New Covenant.

kennethcadwell said:

You claim they are upheld because that is what you believe. Sure all the Scriptures you showed, reveals how we Christians are to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, but not one of them teaches to do so because it is one of the 10 Commandments. Even your statement above you emphasize the importance of the 10 commandments being upheld under the new covenant, When it is not the 10 commandments at all that are upheld, but the NEW COMMANDMENT, to LOVE ONE ANOTHER that is being upheld under the New Covenant, which does include most of the commandments that were given to the Israelite people under the old covenant.

Act_15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye MUST be circumcised, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom we gave NO such commandment:

Plainly teaches that the Apostle gave no such commandment as to continue to KEEP THE LAW, to keep the 10 commandments. Those who teach you MUST keep the 10 commandments are no different then them that went about to trouble people with their words in those days.

kennethcadwell said:

What applies under the new covenant is not the 10 commandments, what applies under the New Covenant is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, granted by doing that, you will comply with many Laws, Rules, Statutes, Ordinances, and Standards that were given to the Israelite people under the Old Covenant.

kennethcadwell said:

In light of this Truth, you should from now on when teaching people they should keep the 10 commandments, you should now say they should keep the 9 commandments, being that you know under the new covenant we are not obligated to keep the fourth commandment any more. And even though i have not read you saying to anyone that Christians should keep the 10 commandments, it is what you are defending in your last posts.

Am i saying that the 10 Commandments are bad, evil, or wicked? Heavens no, that is not what i am saying, i am only saying Christians are obligated to follow or to obey any of the 10 Commandments, What they are obligated to follow and to obey is the New Commandment given to us by Jesus Christ Himself and that is to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, in doing that, you comply with the Whole Bible.

One who keeps the 10 Commandments and does not LOVE ONE ANOTHER, will not enter into Heaven.

One who LOVES ONE ANOTHER, will enter into Heaven.

Do you see how the 10 Commandments are irrelevant in comparison to the New Commandment given to us by Christ? If one LOVES ONE ANOTHER, they will comply with most of the 10 Commandments.

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DiscipleDave · Jun 7, 2015

DiscipleDave said

Grandpa said:

Are you saying, even though we are instructed to be perfect, that it is not possible to do so? Jesus told a man and a woman to go and sin no more, it seems to me, you are implying that it is not possible, but Jesus only told them to sin no more, so as to reveal to them that they can't do it. But then in your same breath, say above

come to Him to do what? If you say to stop sinning, then i would agree. The difference is i believe GOD does not lie, If God tells us to be perfect as He is perfect, i believe it is possible to do so. If Jesus told that man and that woman to "Go and sin no more" i believe He told them that, because it was indeed possible to do. Of coarse it is impossible to do without Jesus helping you to achieve it. He asks us to do that which we think is impossible so we will come to Him for His Strength and Power, and if we do come to Him seeking His help, then through Him it is VERY POSSIBLE to do that which this generation says is impossible to do.

Php_4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Can you do ALL things through Christ? Could that man and woman have gone and sinned no more if they believed they could do ALL things through Christ who gives them strength and power to do so? Jesus would never instruct someone to do something that is not possible to do, True impossible to do on your own and through your own self efforts, but is not impossible to do Through Jesus Christ.

Grandpa said:

It is impossible to do it without Jesus Christ. i do not knowingly and willingly commit any sin, i could not do that if it were not for Jesus Strength and Power to overcome every temptation that comes upon me. A temptation comes upon me, and i will immediately seek Jesus to help me. Then because i seek Him, and seek His Strength and Power, He gives it to me, and the temptation leaves me because of Him living in me, giving to the pathetic me that i am, the Strength and Power to fight the devil and his temptations. So then is it possible to do those things that Jesus Christ commands us to do? The Answer is YES, through His help, the answer is YES it is possible, not easy, but with Him the answer is YES.

Grandpa said:

What you say here is True, it is Christ in me, that helps me to not sin. The problem with this generation is, they would rather just continue to commit sins, relying on Jesus to do the WORK in them to make them righteous, yet these same people do NOT seek His help, His Power, His Strength to overcome their temptations, They DENY Jesus, by not seeking His help.

Grandpa said:

And when a person knowingly and willingly commits a sin, that is to say they willingly do that which they know is wrong and sinful, yet do it anyways, where was their TRUST IN CHRIST to help them with that? Why did they not TRUST Him to help? Why did they not seek His help then? Why did they not TRUST Him then? Because they love the sin MORE. If they Truly wanted to stop that sin, they would indeed TRUST JESUS to help them stop. But this generation does not want to stop, they want to continue to live in sin, all the while making excuses why they are still yet in bondage to their sins. They love sin, more than they love obedience to Jesus Christ. They would rather please their own self by committing the sin, then to please Jesus Christ by looking to Him for Help NOT to commit that sin. They Fail to TRUST Jesus, they fail to look to Jesus for help, they have altogether have a reprobate mind, living in sin, all the while thinking they are Heaven bound, reprobate minds, do that which is sinful and denying the help of Jesus who could have helped them, could have helped them to overcome that sin, wicked generation.

Grandpa said:

Learn to Trust Christ when you are tempted to commit sin.

Grandpa said:

You can always Trust Christ, if you seek Him when you are tempted, He will help.

Grandpa said:

No person can live perfect, as we are instructed, without Christ living in that person, it is Christ in us, that helps us to overcome the sin that so easily besets us. But woe to them who do not seek Jesus when they are tempted.

Grandpa said:

Because of Him living in me, the answer is YES.

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DiscipleDave · Jun 7, 2015

notuptome said:

lol, the same Spirit that was in Paul, is in me. Do you think it was Paul or myself that has knowledge? It is the Holy Spirit of Truth that reveals knowledge. The same Spirit that was in Paul is in me.

notuptome said:

Are you saying that i do not struggle against sin? The difference is, when i am tempted to sin, i seek the help of Jesus to help me overcome that temptation. Is it not written, to be Holy as God is Holy. Is this yet another of many verses you do not believe? Also, here is the Truth if you are willing to receive it. Romans Chapter 7 is a description of Paul living a religious life as a Pharisee, under the old covenant, and he clearly calls that life a wretched life, and at the end of that chapter, he thanks Jesus Christ for saving him from the life he just got done describing, the wretched life that he had BEFORE he knew Christ. Read all of Paul's other letters, where he instructs us Christians to NOT obey the flesh, NOT to obey its desires.

notuptome said:

You use Scriptures that condemns yourself.

Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Do you endure temptation, or do you comply with temptations to commit sin? According to this verse those who endure temptations will receive the crown of life.

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Who does the tempting? The devil does the tempting, woe to them who obey the devil, and double woe to them who claim Jesus is their Master and Lord, yet they willingly obey His enemy the devil and commit sin.

Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. (NOT LIFE)

notuptome said:

lol, if i were self righteous, i would give the credit of living as i do, to myself, as if through my own power and strength i am able to live as i do, lol indeed. It is understandable though, you could not have read EVERYTHING that i have ever posted. But if you were to have read them, you would then know that i have always gave the Credit to Jesus living in me. i have always said it is the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ that enables me to live as i do. i live in Him, i live because of Him, i live ONLY for Him, i do all things to please ONLY HIM.

People only falsely claim that i am self righteous, so as to rationalize why they should not hearken to the Truths in which i teach, and let me clarify, so nobody thinks these Truths are from me, but the Truths that i teach are what He told me to teach, the Truths that i teach are from Him, and not from my own intellect. If i am self-righteous, then you do not have to believe a word i say, true? But if you accuse me of being self-righteous, then show where i have done that wicked thing. If you can't show where i have said something that is self-righteous, then you are a false accuser of brethren. But i look forward to why you think i am self-righteous.

notuptome said:

True, and even the unsaved and devil worshippers have God's Grace and Mercy every single day, because if satan had his way he would take them out of the world this day, but it is God's Grace and Mercy that they live another day, for yet another attempt to save that persons soul.

notuptome said:

And tell me, if on Judgment Day, Jesus asks you "Where was I when you chose to commit sin against me?" What will you say? i mean, did you seek Jesus when you are tempted to commit sins? Did you seek His Strength? Did you seek His Power to overcome that temptation? Did you seek the path out of that temptation that Jesus provided for you? Did you know that Jesus made sure that that temptation was not so strong that you could not handle it? Where was Jesus when you chose to sin against Him?

1Co_10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a WAY to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

So God makes sure the temptation is not so Strong that you can't handle it, and also makes sure there is a path out of it, the Question than is, Why did you not seek Jesus when you were tempted?

You say you will only boast in Jesus Christ. i can understand that completely, i boast in Him all the time, every time the devil comes at me to tempt me to commit sin, i seek the Power and Strength of Jesus Christ, and there He is. There He is to help me to overcome. i boast in Him all the time.

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DiscipleDave · Jun 7, 2015

DiscipleDave said

valiant said:

There's always a "BUT" isn't there?

valiant said:

You say this, Scriptures does not teach that at all. i have read the entire Bible over 80 times in my life, and NOWHERE does it teach what you are saying above, if it does, then reveal the Scriptures which teaches that.

valiant said:

So then according to YOU, He did not mean to say what He did, that He should have said Go and commit adultery no more.
And your logic does not hold up in the other example of Jesus saying the same thing to the man, who was lame for 38 years and Jesus healed him and said to him as well "Go and sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you" Tell me what sin was Jesus referring to then, so we do not have to believe what He actually said and taught?

DiscipleDave said

valiant said:

So again i am seeing a pattern with you, if you do not agree with what a verse plainly says, you can add your own interpretation to that verse to change it to fit what YOU believe is True. So according to you, that verse should not say what it says, it should have said men should TRY to follow after righteousness without sinning. Should i then believe you and what you say the verse means, or should i believe what the Scriptures plainly teach? Scriptures plainly teach to awake to righteousness and SIN NOT, and there are many verses which teach the EXACT same thing. But because YOU do not agree with what Scriptures teach, let us change the meaning of ALL the verses which teach to stop sinning, so we can feel good about ourselves still living in our sins. God Forbid. i choose to believe what the Word of God teaches and NOT what the word of people teach.

valiant said:

You do not know me at all. And God is my witness, that Jesus is on my mind and thought every waking minute of ever single day.

Tell me, since you accuse me of committing sin every single day, i will inform you what my every day is like, and you tell me where i have committed a sin, so i can work on that sin to cease from that sin.

i wake up, i go pee, i get dressed, i get in the car, drive over an hour to work, during my drive i pray to God, praising Him, Thanking Him, and praying for others, i will also listen to the Bible on CD. i have Jesus stickers all over my car, my favorite one is. "Those who plan to seek God at the 11th hour, die at 10:30", They remind me of Jesus and to whom i serve, i represent Jesus Christ, so i drive courtesy, i get over when i am suppose to, and sometimes i will pull off the road to let people by me. i get to work, it is known that i like to work alone, so i can listen to the Bible all day long for eight hours, if i do work around people i am talking about the Bible, End Time Prophesies, or current events over in the Middle East, Nobody cusses around me, because i will let them know it offends me, and i don't wan to hear it. i do not care what people think of me, i only care what Christ thinks of me. So nobody cusses around me, or tells dirty jokes. Everybody knows i am a Christian and i do not judge anyone, or condemn anyone, i love them all, and i do not Bible thump. i pray before i eat anything at all, to give God thanks and to Bless the food, even if it is a pretzel stick. People call me a Jesus Freak, they say it to insult but i take it as a huge compliment to the One i serve. So i listen to the Bible for 8 hours, get in the car, pray again, and praise God. i say the Lord's prayer around 9 times a day at varying times, actually any time i see a yellow vehicle i say the Lord's Prayer, something i started with my children when they were young, and i still continue to do it. i get home and shower, if in the shower i am tempted to do that which is sinful, i will go into Prayer immediately asking Jesus to help me, i will start recalling verses which say and teach that there is a path out of every temptation, all i need to do is seek Jesus to help me find it, cold water seems to help as well. i get out and go to the computer, i have an internet ministry, so i will see if i have 3 emails or 70 emails to answer, most people asking DiscipleDave about Scriptures, or help with their marital problems, or someone may be wanting to kill themselves. i answer in the order that i receive them. Lots of emails with people with lots of problems. If i don't have any emails, or i get done with them, and i still have time before 9 o'clock bedtime, i come here on the message boards, or edit some of the pages on the website below that God told me to put up. my house has Jesus pictures on every wall, or Jesus posters, or my 1580 Bible Page with frame on the wall. All of which is to help me to keep Jesus on my mind continually, all the day long. Then about 8:30 i sit in my rocking recliner and i meditate and pray to God, and give Him Thanks for helping me all day long to live a life that is pleasing to Him, Who is like unto Him? Praise His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ. This i do every workday. On the weekends, i listen to the Bible most of the day, because i am helping people all the time. i have five women who have no man in their lives, all of them live alone, so i try to take care of them, and fix things around their house, or stain, or paint, or plumb, or electrical, carpentry or till their gardens, or rock their driveways, or replace garage door, or fix roof, basically anything they need done, most of the time i do it for free, the other times they INSIST on paying me. Sunday is my day of Rest, i do not work. i have not worked on a Sunday in over 11 years now, not because it is the Sabbath. But because 11 years ago i made a vow to God that i would take Sundays and make it a Day of Rest in His Honor, and that i would not every work on it. Sunday i answer emails, message boards, work on the website, work on my book, i do not watch TV nothing but filth on TV. But i do watch Netflix, i like shows like The Bible, Mysteries of the Bible, Anything that will not take my thought off of Jesus, however i do occasionally watch Frasier, nothing there that tempts me to sin. Then i go to Bed, and dream about Heaven mostly, and what it will be like, because i think about Heaven quite a bit all the day long too.

So tell me, Where in my average day did i commit a sin? i hate sin, i hate everything sin stands for (death), i abhor sinning. Jesus my Savior and Lord had to go through what He went through because of sin. Why on Earth would i want to do the very thing He had to die for? Jesus gave His life for me, therefore i have given Him my life. i have no life of my own, i do all things to please Him, i am His, i am His slave, His servant, i teach those things He told me to teach, and He told me that this generation would not believe the Truths in which He told me to teach, i asked Him, then why teach it? He said, so they will not be able to stand before me on Judgment Day and claim ignorance, that they did not know the Truth. Then i understood, i am merely alive to reveal the Truth to a generation who will absolutely refuse it, but it is not my place to convince you of the Truth, only to reveal it to you, and this i have done.

So again, if you accuse a brother of sinning every day, then tell me where i have done such a wicked evil thing against the Lord and Savior in which i serve and obey in EVERYTHING?

^i^ Responding to Post # 1074

eternally-gratefull · Jun 8, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

DiscipleDave said

There's always a "BUT" isn't there?

You say this, Scriptures does not teach that at all. i have read the entire Bible over 80 times in my life, and NOWHERE does it teach what you are saying above, if it does, then reveal the Scriptures which teaches that.

So then according to YOU, He did not mean to say what He did, that He should have said Go and commit adultery no more.
And your logic does not hold up in the other example of Jesus saying the same thing to the man, who was lame for 38 years and Jesus healed him and said to him as well "Go and sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you" Tell me what sin was Jesus referring to then, so we do not have to believe what He actually said and taught?

DiscipleDave said

So again i am seeing a pattern with you, if you do not agree with what a verse plainly says, you can add your own interpretation to that verse to change it to fit what YOU believe is True. So according to you, that verse should not say what it says, it should have said men should TRY to follow after righteousness without sinning. Should i then believe you and what you say the verse means, or should i believe what the Scriptures plainly teach? Scriptures plainly teach to awake to righteousness and SIN NOT, and there are many verses which teach the EXACT same thing. But because YOU do not agree with what Scriptures teach, let us change the meaning of ALL the verses which teach to stop sinning, so we can feel good about ourselves still living in our sins. God Forbid. i choose to believe what the Word of God teaches and NOT what the word of people teach.

You do not know me at all. And God is my witness, that Jesus is on my mind and thought every waking minute of ever single day.

Tell me, since you accuse me of committing sin every single day, i will inform you what my every day is like, and you tell me where i have committed a sin, so i can work on that sin to cease from that sin.

i wake up, i go pee, i get dressed, i get in the car, drive over an hour to work, during my drive i pray to God, praising Him, Thanking Him, and praying for others, i will also listen to the Bible on CD. i have Jesus stickers all over my car, my favorite one is. "Those who plan to seek God at the 11th hour, die at 10:30", They remind me of Jesus and to whom i serve, i represent Jesus Christ, so i drive courtesy, i get over when i am suppose to, and sometimes i will pull off the road to let people by me. i get to work, it is known that i like to work alone, so i can listen to the Bible all day long for eight hours, if i do work around people i am talking about the Bible, End Time Prophesies, or current events over in the Middle East, Nobody cusses around me, because i will let them know it offends me, and i don't wan to hear it. i do not care what people think of me, i only care what Christ thinks of me. So nobody cusses around me, or tells dirty jokes. Everybody knows i am a Christian and i do not judge anyone, or condemn anyone, i love them all, and i do not Bible thump. i pray before i eat anything at all, to give God thanks and to Bless the food, even if it is a pretzel stick. People call me a Jesus Freak, they say it to insult but i take it as a huge compliment to the One i serve. So i listen to the Bible for 8 hours, get in the car, pray again, and praise God. i say the Lord's prayer around 9 times a day at varying times, actually any time i see a yellow vehicle i say the Lord's Prayer, something i started with my children when they were young, and i still continue to do it. i get home and shower, if in the shower i am tempted to do that which is sinful, i will go into Prayer immediately asking Jesus to help me, i will start recalling verses which say and teach that there is a path out of every temptation, all i need to do is seek Jesus to help me find it, cold water seems to help as well. i get out and go to the computer, i have an internet ministry, so i will see if i have 3 emails or 70 emails to answer, most people asking DiscipleDave about Scriptures, or help with their marital problems, or someone may be wanting to kill themselves. i answer in the order that i receive them. Lots of emails with people with lots of problems. If i don't have any emails, or i get done with them, and i still have time before 9 o'clock bedtime, i come here on the message boards, or edit some of the pages on the website below that God told me to put up. my house has Jesus pictures on every wall, or Jesus posters, or my 1580 Bible Page with frame on the wall. All of which is to help me to keep Jesus on my mind continually, all the day long. Then about 8:30 i sit in my rocking recliner and i meditate and pray to God, and give Him Thanks for helping me all day long to live a life that is pleasing to Him, Who is like unto Him? Praise His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ. This i do every workday. On the weekends, i listen to the Bible most of the day, because i am helping people all the time. i have five women who have no man in their lives, all of them live alone, so i try to take care of them, and fix things around their house, or stain, or paint, or plumb, or electrical, carpentry or till their gardens, or rock their driveways, or replace garage door, or fix roof, basically anything they need done, most of the time i do it for free, the other times they INSIST on paying me. Sunday is my day of Rest, i do not work. i have not worked on a Sunday in over 11 years now, not because it is the Sabbath. But because 11 years ago i made a vow to God that i would take Sundays and make it a Day of Rest in His Honor, and that i would not every work on it. Sunday i answer emails, message boards, work on the website, work on my book, i do not watch TV nothing but filth on TV. But i do watch Netflix, i like shows like The Bible, Mysteries of the Bible, Anything that will not take my thought off of Jesus, however i do occasionally watch Frasier, nothing there that tempts me to sin. Then i go to Bed, and dream about Heaven mostly, and what it will be like, because i think about Heaven quite a bit all the day long too.

So tell me, Where in my average day did i commit a sin? i hate sin, i hate everything sin stands for (death), i abhor sinning. Jesus my Savior and Lord had to go through what He went through because of sin. Why on Earth would i want to do the very thing He had to die for? Jesus gave His life for me, therefore i have given Him my life. i have no life of my own, i do all things to please Him, i am His, i am His slave, His servant, i teach those things He told me to teach, and He told me that this generation would not believe the Truths in which He told me to teach, i asked Him, then why teach it? He said, so they will not be able to stand before me on Judgment Day and claim ignorance, that they did not know the Truth. Then i understood, i am merely alive to reveal the Truth to a generation who will absolutely refuse it, but it is not my place to convince you of the Truth, only to reveal it to you, and this i have done.

So again, if you accuse a brother of sinning every day, then tell me where i have done such a wicked evil thing against the Lord and Savior in which i serve and obey in EVERYTHING?

^i^ Responding to Post # 1074

so your saying 24/7 you NEVER think of self, you CONTINUALLY think of others. You never get angry, Never get frustrated and not do something you KNOW you should do. Never sin?

I am sorry, But I Have known some pretty righteous people who love God more than anything, and they can not claim this. Have you honestly looked at your life through they eyes of God lately? If you did, I bet you would be horrified at the filth you saw!

Skinski7 · Jun 8, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

Would you have made the same accusation of Peter?

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Peter so plainly urges people to be diligent that they may be found of God in peace, without spot, and blameless. This statement is clearly in the context of what manner one ought to be in all holy conduct and godliness.

Yet you speak of one always being filthy before God and bet that everyone is still filthy.

Paul spoke of a true cleansing in his writings...

2Co_7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

So did John...

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Paul spoke of a church that was without spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing, a church that is holy and without blemish, cleansed via the washing of the word.

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Peter spoke of how we have been given all things that pertain to life and godliness. Peter spoke of how that we might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust, via the great and exceeding promises.

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Yet MANY people like you contend for an ongoing state of filthiness which no-one can escape.

Is it possible that people like you have a form of godliness but actually deny the power that pertains to godliness?

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Is it possible that people like you deny the end of the commandment as being love out of a pure heart, a good conscience, and faith unfeigned?

1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Is it possible that people like you deny the possibility of being able to love one another with a pure heart fervently?

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

A love in which God keeps us in through the sanctification of the Spirit as it pertains to the work of faith with power.

1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
2Th 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I think such things are worth considering lest one be deceived by a religion which uses terminology that may apply to the Bible and yet deny what the Bible actually teaches.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 8, 2015

Skinski7 said:

Would you have made the same accusation of Peter?

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Peter so plainly urges people to be diligent that they may be found of God in peace, without spot, and blameless. This statement is clearly in the context of what manner one ought to be in all holy conduct and godliness.

Yet you speak of one always being filthy before God and bet that everyone is still filthy.

Paul spoke of a true cleansing in his writings...

2Co_7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

So did John...

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Paul spoke of a church that was without spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing, a church that is holy and without blemish, cleansed via the washing of the word.

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

Peter spoke of how we have been given all things that pertain to life and godliness. Peter spoke of how that we might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust, via the great and exceeding promises.

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Yet MANY people like you contend for an ongoing state of filthiness which no-one can escape.

Is it possible that people like you have a form of godliness but actually deny the power that pertains to godliness?

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Is it possible that people like you deny the end of the commandment as being love out of a pure heart, a good conscience, and faith unfeigned?

1Ti 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

Is it possible that people like you deny the possibility of being able to love one another with a pure heart fervently?

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

A love in which God keeps us in through the sanctification of the Spirit as it pertains to the work of faith with power.

1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:
2Th 1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I think such things are worth considering lest one be deceived by a religion which uses terminology that may apply to the Bible and yet deny what the Bible actually teaches.

Yeah I would have, the fact that Paul had to call him out proves Peter was not perfect.

Face it dude, until you see what true sin is, and not your own perverted sense of what sin and evil is, You will never understand the grace of God and his true love, nor will you understand your own depraved mind which can never fulfill the law.

gb9 · Jun 8, 2015

without spot or blameless. think about what that REALLY MEANS. you see scott, if you have a glass of 100% pure water, and 1 grain of anything gets in there, it is NO LONGER PURE. does not matter what got in there, how it got in there, who let it get in there, it is not longer pure. we are the righteousness of God in Christ, not ourselves. folks like skinski and others want to stand around and argue about who, what why , and where it got in there, while the rest of us are trying to do the good works that God prepared for us BECAUSE we are saved, not to GET or KEEP salvation.

MarcR · Jun 8, 2015

Ro 8:1-5
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
KJV

We clearly see here that walking after the spirit is more concerned with our thoughts than our actions. What is called for is recognition that what we were unable to do, Jesus did on our behalf. Instead of pursuing our own righteousness we are called to accept His

In James chapter 1, James is correctly saying that the life of a believer should, indeed be characterized by a lifestyle of obedience. This is God's doing:

Php 2:13
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
KJV;
but it is NOT a call to sinless perfection:

1 Jn 1:6-9
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
KJV

MarcR · Jun 8, 2015

They were told to give up their lifestyles of sin; not to become sinless

Mt 5:43-48
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
KJV

The Greek word τέλειοι translated as perfect means complete or mature. It is used here with respect to how we are to love. the love we are called to is all inclusive, or complete.

You are correct; but you are misapplying the word perfect. as noted above it is intended to mean complete or mature, NOT FLAWLESS!

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1 Jn 1:6-9
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
KJV

notuptome · Jun 8, 2015

DiscipleDave said:

You are one spooky dude. Your philosophy of sinlessness dovetails nicely with the five I wills of Lucifer. Isaiah 14:5

Hebrews 4:15 teaches that our High Priest the Lord Jesus was tempted in every point like as we be He was yet without sin. This is not said of any other mortal man.

Until this tabernacle of sin is changed we are in the same predicament as the rest of creation. Groaning in anticipation of the promised redemption.

Jesus said you must be born again. Born again and then we are redeemed and being justified in heaven by grace through the blood of Jesus Christ shed at Calvary.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Jason0047 · Jun 8, 2015

MarcR said:

Jesus said be ye therefore perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect. The Father is perfect because He is Holy and does not sin.

Jesus also said if you sin, you are a slave to sin.

Jesus says if you reject my words, they will judge you on the last day.

Jesus said, sin no more.

Paul says, they that are Christ's have crucified the affections and lusts.

Paul also says, they that have suffered in the flesh have ceased from sin.

Paul says any man who speaks contrary to the words of Jesus and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothing.

Peter warns us about false prophets who have eyes full of adultery and who cannot cease from sin.

Peter says, Seeing you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto sincere love of the brethren, see that you love one another with a pure heart fervently.

John says he that says he knows him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them.

The author of Hebrews says, without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.

Jason0047 · Jun 8, 2015

notuptome said:

For your quote of Hebrews: Let's skip back a chapter. What does it say?

Therefore (as the Holy Spirit says,

Today if you will hear his voice,Harden not your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness:When your fathers tested me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.So I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called Today; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Jason0047 · Jun 8, 2015

Jason0047 said:

According to the author of Hebrews, it appears someone can be hardened thru the deceitfulness of sin. This is because of unbelief. See, when a person sins, they are not believing in God and they are not putting forth an kind of the faith. For whatsoever is not of faith is sin. So when a person reads the Scriptures and they disobey say... Matthew 6:15.... they are not believing that verse and they are departing from the living God if they once believed in that verse. This is because of the deceitfulness of sin.

Skinski7 · Jun 9, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

Clearly Peter was not mature in separating himself from the Gentiles with the Jews. Yet Peter was not out fornicating, blaspheming, lying, stealing and cheating was he?

Peter was immature regarding these things and Paul gave him some much needed correction.

Here is the passage that reveals what happened as well as the context of Paul's correction...

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Paul is teaching that justification has nothing to do with the works of the law. Peter was separating himself from the Gentiles due to a fear of what the Jews would think in seeing him with the "lawless" gentiles. Paul emphases that justification is through faith (ie. it is inward, not premised on outward adherence to the customs and laws of the Torah).

Righteousness does not come by the law. Righteousness does not come by observing "thou shalt" and "thou shalt not." Rather righteousness is rooted in abiding in the grace of God via a faith that works by love (Gal 5:6).

Is such a thing an anathema to you? Is a faith that works by love as the faith that God reckons as righteousness and anathema to you?

A faith that works by love discounts rebellion to God. Rebellion to God and loving God and our neighbour do not mix. Not loving and loving are opposites.

You speak of "our own depraved mind which cannot fulfill the law." Yet Paul teaches...

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Why do you imply that no one can love?

Those who argue in favour of ongoing perpetual moral corruption in this life deny the possibility of anyone being able to love God with all their heart, mind and soul and being able to love their neighbour as themselves.

Why? Why deny that?

Why is it impossible to love?

Is not the love of God shed abroad in your heart whereby you can truly love?

Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Does not the washing of regeneration truly change you from the inside out?

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

How is it that you reject any association of being able to love another with a pure heart fervently with the new birth?

You see this is the bottom line of your error. Your error utterly denies the power of God. Your error utterly denies the new birth experience.

Instead of an actual transformation you allude to a positional transaction which serves to operate as a cloak for an ongoing manifestly wicked state. How is it you cannot see this?

eternally-gratefull · Jun 9, 2015

Skinski7 said:

Clearly Peter was not mature in separating himself from the Gentiles with the Jews. Yet Peter was not out fornicating, blaspheming, lying, stealing and cheating was he?

Peter was immature regarding these things and Paul gave him some much needed correction.

Here is the passage that reveals what happened as well as the context of Paul's correction...

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Gal 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Paul is teaching that justification has nothing to do with the works of the law. Peter was separating himself from the Gentiles due to a fear of what the Jews would think in seeing him with the "lawless" gentiles. Paul emphases that justification is through faith (ie. it is inward, not premised on outward adherence to the customs and laws of the Torah).

Righteousness does not come by the law. Righteousness does not come by observing "thou shalt" and "thou shalt not." Rather righteousness is rooted in abiding in the grace of God via a faith that works by love (Gal 5:6).

Is such a thing an anathema to you? Is a faith that works by love as the faith that God reckons as righteousness and anathema to you?

A faith that works by love discounts rebellion to God. Rebellion to God and loving God and our neighbour do not mix. Not loving and loving are opposites.

You speak of "our own depraved mind which cannot fulfill the law." Yet Paul teaches...

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Why do you imply that no one can love?

Those who argue in favour of ongoing perpetual moral corruption in this life deny the possibility of anyone being able to love God with all their heart, mind and soul and being able to love their neighbour as themselves.

Why? Why deny that?

Why is it impossible to love?

Is not the love of God shed abroad in your heart whereby you can truly love?

Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Does not the washing of regeneration truly change you from the inside out?

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

How is it that you reject any association of being able to love another with a pure heart fervently with the new birth?

You see this is the bottom line of your error. Your error utterly denies the power of God. Your error utterly denies the new birth experience.

Instead of an actual transformation you allude to a positional transaction which serves to operate as a cloak for an ongoing manifestly wicked state. How is it you cannot see this?

Your just like the pharisees. You do not do certain sins, thus your all holy and righteous. Your a hypocrite, and part of the reason many refuse to want to follow God. who wants to follow a bunch of self righteous hypocrites who can not even do the very things they demand others do?

News flash. When Peter downed the gentiles, he did not love them, His fear of men were more important than his love for God. That means he broke the command. He is no better than if he was off fornicating or commiting adultry than what he did, a sin is a sin is a sin

Why do you not stop justifying your sin, and looking lcean on the outside, and try to clean your inside, You can not keep the 1st command 24/7 and do not judge yourself and say you can, because no man can..

eternally-gratefull · Jun 9, 2015

Skinski7 said:

Here is the bottom line of your error. You relate christian growth and sanctification to perfection. anything less constitutes a person who is not saved.

When in reality christian growth and sanctification is an ongoing, learning process of successes and failures from the moment one is saved by the mercy of God (not by works of righteousness titus 3: 5) until they die. and it is ALL done by the power of God.

SarahM777 · Jun 9, 2015

Romans 13

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[SUP][a][/SUP] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Galatians 5

[SUP]13 [/SUP]You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[SUP][a][/SUP]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]15 [/SUP]If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[SUP][c][/SUP] you want. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; [SUP]20 [/SUP]idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions [SUP]21 [/SUP]and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22[/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

[SUP]1 John 2

3 [/SUP]We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. [SUP]5 [/SUP]But if anyone obeys his word, love for God[SUP][a][/SUP] is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and in you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister[SUP][b][/SUP] is still in the darkness. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Anyone who loves their brother and sister[SUP][c][/SUP] lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.

1 John 3

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters,[SUP][b][/SUP] if the world hates you. [SUP]14 [/SUP]We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death.[SUP]15 [/SUP]Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. [SUP]17 [/SUP]If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? [SUP]18 [/SUP]Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: [SUP]20 [/SUP]If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. [SUP]21 [/SUP]Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God [SUP]22 [/SUP]and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. [SUP]23[/SUP]And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.[SUP]24 [/SUP]The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

1 John 4

[SUP]7[/SUP]Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. [SUP]9 [/SUP]This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. [SUP]10 [/SUP]This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. [SUP]12 [/SUP]No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. [SUP]17 [/SUP]This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. [SUP]18 [/SUP]There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

[SUP]19[/SUP]We love because he first loved us. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

Skinski7 · Jun 9, 2015

eternally-gratefull said:

You ignored my questions completely as usual and respond with a fallacy.

I do not reject ongoing Christian growth in sanctification as it relates to learning through success and failure. Your fallacy is that you assert such a thing when what I am actually saying is that there is NO REBELLION to God in salvation.

In other words that FAITH that God reckons as righteousness is not inclusive of REBELLION TO GOD.

Faith = Faithfulness.

God reckoned Abraham as righteousness due to the faith of Abraham, a faith that was obedient, a faith that trusted, a faith that produced the fruit of righteousness.

The issue here is not "growth" or "perfection." The issue here is FAITHFULNESS and that is a subject you REFUSE to address because you idea of faith is purely a mental assertion which can abide with willful disobedience to God.

That is the real issue here which you intently wiggle around with your twisting and misdirection.

Can you not see the foolishness of holding to a position whereby you reject the possibility of an individual actually loving God and their neighbour with a pure heart fervently?

You are opposed to purity of heart and that clearly puts you in opposition to the very reason that Jesus gave Himself on our behalf.

Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The religion you believe is absent of a peculiar people who are zealous for righteousness due to having been redeemed from all iniquity and made pure.

OSAS doctrine denies the faith

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