Paul said when we are faithless he remains faithful for he cannot disown his own. You should have said, we must not disown Christ, something no truly born again person could do
Here is what Paul wrote...
2Ti 2:9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound.
2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2Ti 2:11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Paul is simply stating that Jesus cannot disown or deny Himself. Jesus is Jesus and Jesus is as Jesus is, Jesus is not going to change into something else. Even when human beings deny themselves in going back upon what they appear to be it is not the case with Jesus. That is all that Paul is teaching here.
It doesn't matter what we do Jesus will still be Jesus. It doesn't matter what we do the character of Jesus will stay the same.
That is what Paul is teaching there.
A human being can betray his principles but Jesus NEVER will do that.
That is what Paul is teaching there.
Yet you snip that verse and imply it means something else entirely. In fact you believe it is teaching OSAS...
What is it that you propose that verse means,
as from what I see, it clearly teaches the same as all other Scriptures.
Without Him working though us, we are faithless and fallen, but through Him we remain faithful,
because He is in us, and He is faithful.
Well it clearly says is we are faithless he remains faithful for he cannot disown himself. He will only disown us if we disown him.
For me it means, if you are truly born again of the Holy Spirit you are secure with Jesus, unless you disown him. But though we are born again in the heart and mind, we are not in the flesh. It is possible for a born again person to be unfaithful. When they are, is their salvation in question?
I believe when a truly born again person is faithless, they suffer much unhappiness, they cannot succeed in what they do, they can have no rest, no peace until they come before their Father in Heaven and evermore bow the knee. This MUST be the case for someone truly born of the Spirit, for the law on their heart will give them no rest or peace until they bow the knee.
Being born again is life changing.
You can no longer sin in ignorance, or sin without conscience, and that conscience will tear you apart the longer you are faithless and follow after the flesh
Paul clearly teaches...
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Thus even if your interpretation of that verse was true (which it isn't) you could not use it to support OSAS simply because we belong to whom we obey. A person in obedience to sin is not one of God's own.
This notion that one can be "born of the Spirit" and at the same time "walk according to the flesh" is wrong. We cannot serve two masters. Being "born of the Spirit" is conditional on repentance by which we CRUCIFY OUR OLD MAN and are hence risen up to newness of life by the power of God (born of the Spirit). To go back to serving the flesh is to forsake God. There is only no condemnation upon those whom WALK after the Spirit.
You are contending that one can sin and not surely die based on a misrepresentation of 2Tim 2:13. Paul wrote that...
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
What we DO matters.
Eternal life is to them who by patient continuance in well doing. Patiently continuing in doing the right thing is the very opposite of being unfaithful.
Cannot you see this? It is not hard to understand.
What do you do with passages like Romans 2:6-11? Just ignore it?