well we ARE reigning on the earth as kings and priests right NOW - Eph 2.5-6.
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Has Jesus raised us up yet? Has the Rapture happened? Have we sat in Heavenly places? Are you a King? Are you a Priest? Who do you reign over right now? Who answers to you? These things have not happened yet, but they will.
Yes if they are walking in the Spirit with Christ the King.
Yes if they are at one with Christ the reigning king. It is because we are reigning on earth that we are going out to establish God's Kingly Rule.
Do you even know what the word reigning means? Look it up, then tell me if you think you are currently reigning on Earth. If Jesus were currently reigning on Earth, i assure you satan would not be running things. You do error.
Seriously. and you are clearly finding it difficult to find one lol
Yes, i can't find one verse that teaches or even implies that Jesus will
NOT reign on the Earth.
Not the whole generation. Millions who are now reigning with Him will be gathered up to Him. The remainder will be destroyed as evidence of His reign. They are rebels against the king.
i thought you said He was reigning right now? Why is His evidence of His reign now revealed now? aaaahhhhh because He is not reigning right now. Reread what you just said, which is True, When He comes back to the Earth and gathers the saints, that is when His reign will start on the Earth, and that is when the evidence of that reign will be revealed. You say the remainder will be destroyed as evidence of His reign, this is True, so tell me, where is NOW the evidence of His reign? You claim that He is reigning NOW, why no evidence of that, why, even as you testify, that evidence is revealed when He comes and destroys the remainder? explain?
DiscipleDave asks
Please explain Revelations Chapter 21 if you would be so kind. For the entire Chapter talks about the Father and Jesus coming down in the New City Jerusalem to the EARTH to reign HERE. So explain to me verse by verse Revelations Chapter 21. Thanks.
I see nothing about EARTH as we know it.
That is because God is going to destroy this Earth, (7 year Tribulation Period) and create a New Earth, one that Jesus will reign over. Why would Jesus come and reign over satans world. God will destroy this world and all of its kingdoms, and He will create a New World, one like unto the Garden of Eden, this is the World Jesus and His Few Saints will reign over.
That will be destroyed by fire at the coming of Christ (2 Pet 3). It refers to 'the new earth' where there is no flesh and blood (flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingly rule of God).
Oh my, are you so lacking understanding of the Scriptures, that you do not understanding that flesh and blood will not enter into the Kingdom of HEAVEN, there will be flesh and blood upon the Earth even within the Kingly Rule of God on Earth. Read Isaiah 65:17-25 which is a a description of the Kingly Rule of God on Earth, where people of the Earth are having offspring, that is to say they are having sexual relationships, they are humans, and it even mentions sinners being present during that time. Explain Isaiah 65:17-25 please, would like to know what YOUR interpretation is concerning those verses.
Do you even notice how you ADD to the Scriptures. This is what Scriptures teach.
1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (A reference to Heaven)
valiant says "the new earth' where there is no flesh and blood (flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingly rule of God)"
Notice how you have ADDED Kingly Rule of God, this has altogether changed the place which Scriptures speak of, to the Rule of Jesus Christ. Kingdom of God is a PLACE, Kingly Rule of God, is NOT a place but Authority. You have altogether changed Scriptures to fit your own belief about the KINGLY RULE of God. Took a verse that was talking about a PLACE and fit it into your own belief about the Kingly Rule of God, do you not see that you have done this thing?
It is a spiritual heavenly earth (see Hebrews 11.10-14) with a heavenly Mount Zion (Hebr 12.20-22) and where God as Spirit lives among His people who have been raised from the dead in spiritual bodies. There will be nothing of this earth about it.
Who has told you it is a Spiritual Heavenly Earth? Scriptures does not teach you that, then who has been telling you these things?
I certainly believe He is reigning OVER the earth right now (Acts 2.30, 36; Rev 20.4-5). Who is in control of history? Who is opening the seven seals? CHRIST THE KING.
Are you saying whoever controls History is who is reigning today? Are you saying that whoever opens the seven seals is the one who is reigning on Earth Today? Seriously?. Jesus Christ right this minute is reigning in HEAVEN, NOT on Earth. He is preparing a place for us in HEAVEN, He is in HEAVEN on our behalf. Jesus Christ is not reigning as KING of Kings right now. The Kings of today are evil and wicked. Jesus is NOT the King over them. True, all things happens because God allows or approves them to happen. When Jesus comes to the Earth and He Truly reigns, as King of Kings on the Earth. All Kings will bow down to Him. Do Kings today bow down to Jesus? NO, because Jesus is NOT their King, as this wicked generation teaches. When Jesus returns to the Earth to reign with His Saints, then all the Kingdoms of the Earth will worship Him, and bow down to Him, because then and ONLY then will He be King of Kings of the Earth.
Who is at present ruler over the kings of the earth? JESUS IS (Rev 1.5). Who is at present appointing earth's rulers? GOD IS (Rom 13.1-6).
Again your joking right, please tell me you are joking. You actually believe Jesus Christ, the Son of God is the Ruler of all these wicked evil Kings of this Earth? You actually believe that? What kind of Ruler would allow wicked and evil people to continue to Rule in His Name? Are you telling me that a King here on Earth that does not believe in God at all has Jesus Christ as their Ruler? You do error and know not the Truth. Jesus puts people in Authority, that is True, but that does not mean He is their Ruler. Jesus Christ gave Lucifer Authority to be God of the World, does that mean Jesus is His Ruler? If so then how is Jesus not responsible for all the wickedness of Lucifer, being that Jesus gave Lucifer that authority? You do error and do not understand, just because Jesus puts wicked people and entities into authority, that means He is their Ruler. Jesus Christ will also allow the anti-christ to have the authority to do what is written concerning him, does that mean Jesus is the Ruler of the antichrist? Just because Jesus allowed him to be the anti-christ. Could not God prevent the anti-christ from ever being born? Sure he can, but then how is Scriptures to be fulfilled? Just because Jesus puts wicked people in slots of King and the such, does NOT mean He is reigning over them, that He is their RULER, you do error not knowing or understanding the Truth of Scriptures.
DiscipleDave said
Scriptures teach that satan is the god of this world, yet you say Jesus Christ is reigning from Heaven right now?
Yes he is the one whom the unbelieving world (unknowingly) treat as god. But that is because they are in rebellion against the KING Who is reigning from Heaven right now. Why do we pray? BECAUSE GOD REIGNS.
Its also what the Bible teaches. Satan has blinded you to the truth.
lol, the Bible teaches that satan is the god of this WORLD, you teach that he is not the god of this world, you teach he is the god of the unsaved, the unbelieving, altogether changing the Scripture to fit your own belief. Scriptures teach that satan is the god of this world, it does not teach he is the god of the unbelieving, the unsaved, it plainly teaches he is the god of this WORLD, God has given satan dominion of this world, satan reigns on this planet right now, but when Jesus comes and reigns on the Earth, satan will lose that dominion, it will no longer be his kingdom, but the Kingdom of God will come to the Earth.
2Ti_4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Can you not see and understand that His Kingdom He brings with Him, when He comes back?
Rev_16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
Whose Kingdom? Not Jesus. Jesus Christ's Kingdom is NOT here yet, it is coming with Him when He returns, this is satans kingdom, he is the god of this world, look around, who does not knowingly and willingly obey satan and commit sins?
Even the Prophet Daniel foretold of the coming Kingdom to Earth.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (Has this Kingdom break in pieces and consumed all other Kingdoms yet? NO, but when the God of Heaven does set up His Kingdom ON EARTH, out of the New City Jerusalem, that is when Jesus will break to pieces all other opposing kingdoms and consume them. But this has not yet happened, what is wrong with this generation that they refuse to believe simple Truths that even children can understand?
Dan 2:45 For as much as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. (has Jesus break in pieces all other Kingdoms? No, but He will when He Returns.)
Scripture nowhere states that Satan is ruling over this earth. He is 'the god' of unbelievers by their choice. They are rebels against the KING.
Should i believe you that teach satan is the god of unbelievers, or should i believe the Inspired by God Scriptures that plainly teach satan is the god of this world, not just the unbelievers like you teach. i choose the Word of God over the words of people.
LOL I have written commentaries on all the prophets
They say nothing of a millennial kingdom on earth. They see GOD as reigning on earth. His reign on earth is NOW. As the Psalmists constantly repeat YHWH REIGNS.
So then you agree that God will reign on Earth as the prophets plainly teach, that is Good that you believe them. The problem then is your belief that He is reigning NOW, that is what is false, that is what is untrue. But let us not make any mistake, Jesus Christ is reigning in my life right NOW, He reigns. This does not mean He is reigning over the whole Earth, NOW, that is false teaching, false doctrine. Jesus Christ reigns in my heart, that does not mean He reigns over the whole world. He will reign over the whole world, where Scriptures teach that ALL NATIONS will bow down to Him and serve Him, this has never happened in the past, ever, EVER. NEVER. When Jesus reigns on the Earth when He returns with the place He is preparing for us, that is when ALL NATIONS will bow down to Him, and ALL Nations will serve Him.
yes as he says he is speaking of the NEW EARTH which God will create when this one is destroyed by fire, which the NT makes clear is a spiritual, heavenly earth.
explain to me HOW it is clear it is a Spiritual, Heavenly Earth. You say it is clear, yet give no Scriptures to prove how clear it is. What Scriptures clearly reveal to you that it is a Spiritual, Heavenly Earth. i have read the entire Bible over 90 times in my life, and not once have a read a verse speaking about the New Earth, was it even remotely hinted that it was a Spiritual, Heavenly Earth, so please share the Scriptures that make it Clear to you that it is.
Know you not that it is written the Earth abideth forever.
Psa_78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.
Psa_104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Ecc_1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.
So you speak of a Spiritual, Heavenly New Earth, yet Scriptures teach the Earth abideth forever, and the foundations of the Earth will remain forever. True God will destroy the Earth as we know it, but that is only topical, cosmetic. The Earth is NOT going to be Destroyed, only the Earth as we know it today. For example a vast forest is home to many creature who live in that forest, that is their Earth, but if loggers come in and destroy that Forest, to the creatures their Earth was destroyed, and now is a vast waste land, but it is the same Earth underfoot. Likewise God is going to destroy this Earth, hills will melt, oceans will disappear, mountains will become valleys, valleys will become mountains, dry will become wet, and wet lands will become barren. God is going to destroy the Earth as we know it, but the same Earth underfoot will be the same, the foundations will not be removed from the Earth.
You talk of a New Earth, that is a Spiritual, Heavenly, Earth. When will you listen? When will you understand? pray for a teachable spirit. The things i tell you, they are Scriptural, why do you fight so hard against Scriptures?
DiscipleDave said
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. When God destroys this Earth with Fire and creates a
New Atmosphere and a New Earth is when the New City Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven, read Rev 21:1-2
LOL you are just reading in what you want to. The new earth will be noting to do with this earth. You Americans are too fleshly minded to see spiritual truth. You are tied to the flesh.
And now you have made it about prejudism. This actually reveals a lot about you. So now you are attacking Americans, you have lumped all Americans as being too fleshly minded to see Spiritual Truths, and tied to the flesh. And you say that to me, who has mortified all the deeds of my flesh, i have given up smoking, pornography, and even sex (celibate now over 8 years) because those things are tied to flesh, i do not obey
any sinful desire of my flesh, yet you claim i am tied to the flesh, do you know what the word hypocrite means? Do you condemn Americans for being tied to the flesh, when you are tied to the flesh?
DiscipleDave said
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. (Oh how can you explain this prophesy? This talks about a time when a person dies at a hundred they are but a kid. This verse also talks about sinners being here with them, so then according to this verse, Age limits will be restored to the way they were prior to the flood, Tell me, has this verse happened already, or is it yet to come?)
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