Is the Devil bound right now...?

[ukok102nak]

:read: for this is one of our basis in our faith
Colossians: 2. 8. Beware lest any man cheat you by philosophy, and vain deceit; according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ:

:now: as the scriptures speak for itself
Let us hear it
Hebrews: 2. 14. Therefore because the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner hath been partaker of the same: that, through death, he might destroy him who had the empire of death, that is to say, the devil:
*MANY OF US FEAR DEATH THATS WHY MANY HUMANS ARE STILL DOING THE THE THINGS OF EVIL THINGS IN ORDER TO SURVIVED IN THIS WORLD
BUT NOT US BECAUSED WE HAVE KNOWN DEATH ONCE AND
OUR LORD GOD THE FATHER ALMIGHTY WHO IS GOOD AND DOESNT LIE AND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON
OUR LORD GOD THE SON JESUS CHRIST WHO IS OUR SAVIOUR WHEN THE TIME COMES . ...
GAVE US ANOTHER CHANCED TO BE IN THIS WORLD SO THAT WE CAN DO
HIS WILL WITH GUIDE OF HOLY SPIRIT AND THE HOLY SCRIPTURES
BECAUSED
Jude: 1. 8. In like manner these men also defile the flesh, and despise dominion, and blaspheme majesty.
9. When Michael the archangel, disputing with the devil, contended about the body of Moses, he durst not bring against him the judgment of railing speech, but said: The Lord command thee.
10. But these men blaspheme whatever things they know not: and what things soever they naturally know, like dumb beasts, in these they are corrupted.

God bless us all always

:ty:

 

[Cassian]

LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF, the Greek definition is: ASSEMBLY, RELIGIOUS CONGREGATION

It is the sum total of all who Believed Messiah WOULD COME and on our case Believed Messiah DID COME.

Your Pride in your only true CHURCH is unfounded, you can stop patting yourself on the back now.

You are at a dead end. You have no evidence, just empty assertions. You cannot change history or God's revelation to man. The Holy Spirit has preserved the Church/Assembly/ecclesia and the revelation entrusted to it from then until now in this world.


It has nothing to do with pride but believing and accepting Christ as He has revealed Himself to man. Christ is the ONLY True Church. He is the Head over His Body. Rhetoric cannot change what Christ established and preserved. One cannot change historical facts as well.

 

[Bowman]

Wrong, NOT ONE OF THEM USED THE WORD BOUND.

I quoted to you what the Scriptures actually say, and YOU rejected it.

Wrong.

The Greek informs the reader that ‘bound’ is but one of a plethora of English words relaying the same exact message – Satan has been rendered impotent at The Cross.

Satan is still bound to this very day.

Jesus not only cast Satan out of Heaven, but He also bound him in the spiritual prison called the abyss.

You reject that Jesus cast The Devil from Heaven, and then you further reject that The Son is mentioned in the clear passage of Rev 20, as binding and casting Satan into the abyss.

You lamely give credit to some mere angel as having the power and authority to do these things….and then you back-hand slap God as not having the power to do it, Himself.

 

[Yosef2]

It depends if your mouth is opening doors or closing the word of God says the power of death & life are in the tongue. Jesus gave us authority to bind and to loose ...

Matthew 16:19-20New International Version (NIV)[SUP]19 [/SUP]I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[SUP][a][/SUP] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[SUP][b][/SUP] loosed in heaven.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I wholeheartedly believe the scriptures.

lol, just not the ones which plainly teach that Jesus will reign on Earth out of Mount Zion.

I do not believe the fairytales of men and their interpretations of scripture.

This is wise, Do not listen to anyone who teaches anything that is contrary to sound doctrine.

You say it is of scripture, yet I did not see any evidence that scripture means as you state. All I read is the principles of the man made theory called dispensational premillennialism.

you see what you want to see.

I can assure you God did not give you whatever you stated.

You say you assure, yet give no evidence for that assurance. Name me one verse in all of Scriptures that contradict even one thing i have said. Can you do that, or will you use redirection instead of answering the Question?

Name me one verse in all of Scriptures that contradict even one thing i have said, can you do That?

i have made it bold and a bigger font, so that you don't miss the question, and claim you did not see the question that i asked.

It first would be a denial of scripture itself as well as the scripture says that individual man will NEVER receive revelation for private interpretation.

You are a witness against your own self that you do not understand Scriptures.

You say above that no person can receive revelations from God for private interpretation. What does the Word actually say concerning that.

2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

This is saying and plainly teaching that prophesies of the Scriptures are not to be interpreted privately, via through ones own self, ones own intellect.

But you teach, is that God does not reveal anything to anyone. lol, you do error and do not know the Truth. You believe that because apparently God has not revealed anything to YOU, and therefore He does not to anyone else either. lol.

Show me the Scriptures that teach what you say here:

the scripture says that individual man will NEVER receive revelation for private interpretation.

That is what YOU teach, that is YOUR doctrine, NOT what Scriptures teach, if you think they do teach that, then show the verses that teach what you are saying here. Do you want to teach me, then show me Scriptures that back up what you are teaching. But i will not fail to warn you of the dangers of teaching things that are not Scriptural. If you teach things that are contrary to Scriptures then you will not escape His wrath, myself included, if i teach anything contrary to Scriptures then let His wrath come upon me, and not me only but my family as well. If then YOU think i teach something contrary to Scriptures then reveal it.

The scriptures were written from the original Oral teachings of the Apostles.
There has never been such a presentation of what scripture means that even resembles the theory of premillennialism that the Church has ever believed from Pentecost to the present day.

just looked up the word premillennialism, And Scriptures does teach that Jesus will reign on the Earth. Here is something you can do though, if you want to show that premillennialism is not TRUE, then show the Scriptures which teach that JESUS does NOT reign on the Earth. How easy is it to claim that He will not. Show the Scriptures that make you THINK he is NOT going to reign on the Earth as Scriptures teach He will.

And are you one of those who believe that Jesus has already reigned here, or is now reigning here, then explain this verse.

2Ti_2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Notice that the Apostle Paul said SHALL, that is a future event. Notice that the Apostle Paul is NOT teaching that Jesus is reigning at that time, or even has reigned before that time. But the Apostle Paul is CLEAR we SHALL reign with Him in some future date AFTER he got done saying this statement. How can you explain, or interpret this verse to fit into your belief, please explain?

I have already pointed out that some early Church Fathers, all who lived in what is now Asia Minor, were influenced by the Gnostics and Zorastroism which was a prominent cult of that day. The root of premillennialism is pagen, not Christian.

lol, up until a few minutes ago, i was not premillenism. But after reading the difinition of the word, i can now be considered one. Thanks to you for that, because i was unaware that believing that Christ would reign on the Earth, exactly like the Scriptures teach, means i am premillennialism. i don't care who came up with the word premilleniallism, or how it came about, what is that to me? i believe the Scriptures and what they teach, NOT what men teach. The Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus will reign on the Earth, and we Christians who are raptured will reign with Him. This is what Scriptures plainly teach. Ten minutes ago, before i was a premillennialsm, i believed the Scriptures that taught Jesus will reign on the Earth and all kings and nations of the Earth will bow down to Him, and serve Him, EXACTLY like Scriptures teach, i need not be a premillinnialsm to believe that Truth. But i guess because i believe the Scriptures which teach Jesus and us will reign on the Earth, i guess i am a premillenniasllsismsis. i really don't care what name you put on the Truth, it is still TRUTH.

Tell me, if you can, explain the New City Jerusalem coming out of Heaven to the EARTH in the last days.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (no more seas (oceans), has this event came to pass yet, or is this still yet to come? explain.)
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (has this event happened yet? Has the New City Jerusalem came down from Heaven yet, or is this also something that is yet to happen? explain)
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. ( is there still death? is there still sorrow? is there still crying? Is there still pain? or is this a description of what is yet to come? Is God with us the Earth? Is God here or is He in Heaven. This verse plainly teaches God will be HERE on EARTH with us humans, how can you believe what you believe and explain this? This should be interesting to hear how you can explain these Scriptures away.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty (Father) and the Lamb (Jesus) are the temple of it.

This Holy City that comes down out of Heaven, will have the Father in it, and also the Son Jesus Christ

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

And we know this IS ON EARTH because of the next verses;

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Rev 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. (so others who are not written in the Lamb's Book can't enter into it while it is on the Earth, please note that they are still HERE, else why would there be a need to even mention they can't enter into the Holy City?)

Can you explain this believing as you do? How will you explain this chapter away. This whole chapter teaches about God coming to the Earth in the New City to reign on the Earth, How can you explain this away? How will you make void this entire chapter because it does not fit into what you THINK is the Truth? The Major and Minor prophets all talked about this event, where Jesus comes to the Earth to reign for a thousand years ON EARTH. Please explain, or redirect because you CAN'T explain it. Believing as you do, how can you explain these verses away? How can you interpret them to mean something other than what they plainly teach.

The particular form called Chiliasm was not even remotely similar to the modern day mythological treatise. In fact, even after 200 years it is still evolving. The reason for that is the contradictions the view actually has with scripture which many have already been pointed out in this thread.

lol, you said many have already been pointed out in this thread, i haven't seen one Scripture, that contradicts the belief that Jesus will reign on the Earth. Yet you say many have already been pointed out in this thread, please tell me what post did you point out Scriptures that teach that Jesus willl NOT reign on the Earth. Do you know why i know you can't come up with even one verse that teaches He does NOT reign on the Earth, because all of Scriptures teaches that He will reign on the Earth, you choose to ingnore, interpre away, or make void any verse that is contrary to what you THINK is the Truth, instead of believing the Word of God which you claim you believe 100%, How can you believe the Word of God, and also believe Jesus will not reign on the Earth like the Scriptures plainly teach He will, no interpretation needed.
You do greatly error in that you are so unwilling to change your belief to fit with Scriptures, but are more than willing to change Scriptures to fit your belief. Like Revelations chapter 21, plainly teaches that the Father and Jesus come down from Heaven to the Earth, and they will reign on the Earth, because that is not what you believe, you will have to try to interpret that entire Chapter to mean something else, that is going to be interesting to see. Or more than likely you will use misdirections (surely you know what that word means, being educated as you think you are) and not explain at all.

Listen to me people, believe the Scriptures and what they say and teach, DO NOT believe the words of men and what they teach. If Scriptures teaches that Jesus and Christians will reign for a thousand years ON EARTH, then beleive it. Do not do as this generation will do and change those verses to fit into their own doctrines, what they THINK is the TRUTH.

If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is WRONG, God

^i^ responding to post # 1268

 

[ray_james]

Is the Devil bound right now? No, according to the Bible he is not.

I Peter 5:8 - "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

Satan is alive and active in today's world, and will not be bound until God binds him for 1,000 years.

Revelation 20:3 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

So he eventually will be bound, however even after the 1,000 years of him being bound he will be out again for a time..

 

[valiant]

lol, just not the ones which plainly teach that Jesus will reign on Earth out of Mount Zion.

I have searched the Scriptures with the help of the Holy Spirit for 65 years and I have never yet found a single verse that said the Jesus Christ would reign on earth from an earthly Mount Zion. I have found many that say that He NOW reigns from Heaven over the whole earth.

 

[valiant]

Is the Devil bound right now? No, according to the Bible he is not.

Thats funny. In my Bible Jesus stated clearly that He had bound Satan even while He was here on earth.(Matt 12.28-29)

I Peter 5:8 - "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

And who were walking about seeking for Christians? MEN inspired by Satan from his 'prison'.

Satan is alive and active in today's world, and will not be bound until God binds him for 1,000 years.

Nonsense, if Satan were active without restraint in todays world there would be no Gospel preaching, all Christians would be slaughtered. Thank God he is restrained by the restraining angel.

Revelation 20:3 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

And when was he loosed? In Rev 9.11 BEFORE the second coming.

So he eventually will be bound, however even after the 1,000 years of him being bound he will be out again for a time..

you really think God is going to repeat Himself in order to reveal what a failure His so-called millennium was?

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by Yosef2

Matt.16:19”And behold I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you lose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” If you are binding the enemy in prayer in the name of Jesus, Yes. Remember Isaiah 55:11, “So shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth; it shall not return unto me void, But it shall accomplish what I please and prosper in the thing for which I sent it. Remember the power of your words… Proverbs 18:21 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it will eat its fruit. Luke 10:18-19 and I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Mark16:17 -18 " And these signs shall follow those who believe: In my name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents ;and if anyone drinks anything deadly it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover"...The devil is under our feet , we have authority over him. Lastly "1John :4-5"For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith. Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God?
Shalom and bless you

BINGO THIS IS THE REAL DEAL. THANKS FRIEND

And why is it the real deal? BECAUSE JESUS HAD BOUND SATAN _ MATT 12.28-29.

 

[valiant]

None are so blind as those who will not see.

true open your eyes blind man

 

[ritelec]

This part confuses me.

20:4 in and around.

Will the devil be locked up 1000 yrs to come from the time of revelation. Then loosed for a little season ? Then thrown into the lake of fire.

Or are we and he in that little season now. Then when it hits the fan that's THE END ?

I'm thinking we are in pre 1000 years. But not sure. And if so then there would be a second comeing, then 1000 plus little season. Then a 3rd coming then THE END ?

 

[valiant]

This part confuses me.

20:4 in and around.

Will the devil be locked up 1000 yrs to come from the time of revelation. Then loosed for a little season ? Then thrown into the lake of fire.

Or are we and he in that little season now. Then when it hits the fan that's THE END ?

I'm thinking we are in pre 1000 years. But not sure. And if so then there would be a second comeing, then 1000 plus little season. Then a 3rd coming then THE END ?

yes you are showing how ridiculous it all is if you accept the spurious idea of a millennium. Everything happens twice. .Satan is bound twice (Matt 12.28-29; Rev 20.1-3). Satan is let loose for a little season twice (Rev 9,11; Rev 20.1-3). There are two second comings LOL And this wonderful millennial kingdom ends in total failure and the disgrace of the king who could not control his kingdom.

 

[Cassian]

DiscipleDave,

lol, just not the ones which plainly teach that Jesus will reign on Earth out of Mount Zion.

j present the evidence that scripture has always taught and always meant as you state. So far, all you have are modern man's versions all coming within the last 200 years.

This is wise, Do not listen to anyone who teaches anything that is contrary to sound doctrine.

I have been doing just that which is why I don't follow Miller, Darby, Scofield et el.

you see what you want to see.

I see historical facts and a preserved Revelation from the beginning that has never had such a teaching. Give me some factual evidence that the premillennial idea has always been believed.

You say you assure, yet give no evidence for that assurance. Name me one verse in all of Scriptures that contradict even one thing i have said. Can you do that, or will you use redirection instead of answering the Question?
Name me one verse in all of Scriptures that contradict even one thing i have said, can you do That?
i have made it bold and a bigger font, so that you don't miss the question, and claim you did not see the question that i asked.

So present the evidence. All you have presented is man made theory where the modern version is only 200 years old and Miller's has been dreatically changed, Hardly scripture. I Pet 1:20 states clearly that no additional revelation will be given to individuals for private interpretation. Jude 3 states very clearly that Revelation was given ONCE. It was given in the beginning and has been preserved unchanged since and at no time has the Church, the Body of Christ ever held such a view as millennialism.

You are a witness against your own self that you do not understand Scriptures.
You say above that no person can receive revelations from God for private interpretation. What does the Word actually say concerning that.
2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
This is saying and plainly teaching that prophesies of the Scriptures are not to be interpreted privately, via through ones own self, ones own intellect.

So why do you think you were given this theory of premillennialism? Seems you are violating scripture and actually think that the Holy Spirit is giving you new revelation for your private interpretation. Sola scripturist have been doing this for 500 years and we now have so many versions of what the Bible means that they are becoming innumberable.

That is what YOU teach, that is YOUR doctrine, NOT what Scriptures teach, if you think they do teach that, then show the verses that teach what you are saying here. Do you want to teach me, then show me Scriptures that back up what you are teaching. But i will not fail to warn you of the dangers of teaching things that are not Scriptural. If you teach things that are contrary to Scriptures then you will not escape His wrath, myself included, if i teach anything contrary to Scriptures then let His wrath come upon me, and not me only but my family as well. If then YOU think i teach something contrary to Scriptures then reveal it.

Your statement applies to you. I am not presenting new ideas and theories that some man has devised. Show me some evidence that premillennialism is actually of the Holy Spirit and was given in the beginning to the Apostles and has always been believed and taught in the Church.
So far, not one has been able to do. Might be because there is on evidence. It is exactly what it is, man made theory that was devised by Miller and has been evolving over the last 200 years. Hardly the Gospel once given and preserved.

just looked up the word premillennialism, And Scriptures does teach that Jesus will reign on the Earth. Here is something you can do though, if you want to show that premillennialism is not TRUE, then show the Scriptures which teach that JESUS does NOT reign on the Earth. How easy is it to claim that He will not. Show the Scriptures that make you THINK he is NOT going to reign on the Earth as Scriptures teach He will.

I have presented these several times already. However a single context, Peter's sermon at Pentecost puts and earthly reign of Christ in the wastebasket.

And are you one of those who believe that Jesus has already reigned here, or is now reigning here, then explain this verse.
2Ti_2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Notice that the Apostle Paul said SHALL, that is a future event. Notice that the Apostle Paul is NOT teaching that Jesus is reigning at that time, or even has reigned before that time. But the Apostle Paul is CLEAR we SHALL reign with Him in some future date AFTER he got done saying this statement. How can you explain, or interpret this verse to fit into your belief, please explain?

My scripture states that Paul is speaking to believers who are alive. Thus when they die, they shall reign with Christ.

lol, up until a few minutes ago, i was not premillenism. But after reading the difinition of the word, i can now be considered one. Thanks to you for that, because i was unaware that believing that Christ would reign on the Earth, exactly like the Scriptures teach, means i am premillennialism. i don't care who came up with the word premilleniallism, or how it came about, what is that to me? i believe the Scriptures and what they teach, NOT what men teach. The Scriptures plainly teach that Jesus will reign on the Earth, and we Christians who are raptured will reign with Him.

again, just your interpretation but no facts again. There is neither an earthly reign of Christ nor is the such a thing as a rapture as described in the premillennial/dispensational theory.
You keep giving these man made tenets of a theory, well known to be developed by certain men and actually still being developed. where is the evidence, outside of your opinion.

Can you explain this believing as you do? How will you explain this chapter away. This whole chapter teaches about God coming to the Earth in the New City to reign on the Earth, How can you explain this away? How will you make void this entire chapter because it does not fit into what you THINK is the Truth? The Major and Minor prophets all talked about this event, where Jesus comes to the Earth to reign for a thousand years ON EARTH. Please explain, or redirect because you CAN'T explain it. Believing as you do, how can you explain these verses away? How can you interpret them to mean something other than what they plainly teach.

I don't need to explain it away. It is describing eternity for the believer. There is not earthly reign of Christ here. This earth has already passed away at this point, the resurrection has been completed, the judgement is complete and Christ presented His Church spotless and blameless to the Father.

If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then what you believe is WRONG, God

You should take your own advice and throw those man made theories into the wastebasket.

 

[Ahwatukee]

This part confuses me.

20:4 in and around.

Will the devil be locked up 1000 yrs to come from the time of revelation. Then loosed for a little season ? Then thrown into the lake of fire.

Or are we and he in that little season now. Then when it hits the fan that's THE END ?

I'm thinking we are in pre 1000 years. But not sure. And if so then there would be a second comeing, then 1000 plus little season. Then a 3rd coming then THE END ?

Greetings ritelec,

For the answer to this, all you have to do is look at the order of events. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are the fulfillment of the day of Lord of which the prophets prophesied of. The chronological order of these events of wrath are shown to take place, with the Lord returning at that time to end the age and establish his thousand year reign. Therefore, the thousand years begins shortly after the seventh bowl judgment has been poured out. The order of events after Christ's return is the beast and the false prophet being thrown alive into the lake of fire, followed by Satan being bound in the literal Abyss during that literal thousand year reign of Christ. At the end of the thousand years is when Satan is released for a short time, where at the end of that shot time he is then thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will have been thrown a thousand years earlier. This is the chronological order of these events.

 

[ray_james]

Thats funny. In my Bible Jesus stated clearly that He had bound Satan even while He was here on earth.(Matt 12.28-29)

I looked up the verses, not sure how it applies. Could you explain that for me?

And who were walking about seeking for Christians? MEN inspired by Satan from his 'prison'.

I believe Satan is out, working in his ways to ruin men's lives so that they cannot be used of Christ. Whether it is through man or not he is still at work.

Nonsense, if Satan were active without restraint in todays world there would be no Gospel preaching, all Christians would be slaughtered. Thank God he is restrained by the restraining angel.

Why can't he be active? I never said he was without restraint. Of course, Satan does have limitations but that does not mean that he is not trying. I think the verse I gave in I Peter is sufficient enough to show that he is working. Again, whether that is through man or not.

And when was he loosed? In Rev 9.11 BEFORE the second coming.

In order to be bound, he must first be loose, right? Satan will be bound for 1,000 years but then be loosed again. At least that is my understanding.

you really think God is going to repeat Himself in order to reveal what a failure His so-called millennium was?

I hope I don't seem to be close minded or lashing back at you, that is not my intent. If what you have to say is true I have no problem discussing it with you and debating what each of use believe. I don't pretend to know it all, and if what you have to say is true I would love to discuss it with you and learn.

 

[DiscipleDave]

I have searched the Scriptures with the help of the Holy Spirit for 65 years and I have never yet found a single verse that said the Jesus Christ would reign on earth from an earthly Mount Zion. I have found many that say that He NOW reigns from Heaven over the whole earth.

Not one verse, really?

Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Are the Saints reigning on the Earth right now? Are Christians reigning on the Earth right now? Seriously you have not found one verse in Scriptures that teach that Jesus will reign on the Earth? What is God to do with this generation? He will utterly destroy it.

Please explain Revelations Chapter 21 if you would be so kind. For the entire Chapter talks about the Father and Jesus coming down in the New City Jerusalem to the EARTH to reign HERE. So explain to me verse by verse Revelations Chapter 21. Thanks.

And seriously you think Jesus Christ is reigning Here on Earth NOW? Scriptures teach that satan is the god of this world, yet you say Jesus Christ is reigning from Heaven right now? seriously that is what you believe? So who is reigning on the Earth right now, satan, which Scriptures testifies he is the god of this world or Jesus. Have you not read any descriptions of the prophets concerning His reign on Earth. One of many that come to my mind instantly is Isiah 65:17-25 None of which describes the Earth in the past, but all of which is yet to come to the Earth.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. When God destroys this Earth with Fire and creates a New Atmosphere and a New Earth is when the New City Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven, read Rev 21:1-2
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I (Jesus Christ) will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be NO MORE heard in her, nor the voice of crying. Is there weeping in Jerusalem? Is there crying in Jerusalem? If there is, then this prophesy has not yet been fulfilled has it? As long as their is weeping in Jerusalem and crying in Jerusalem, this prophesy will NOT be fulfilled. This prophesy from Isaiah will be fulfilled when there is NO MORE weeping and crying in Jerusalem, and this has NOT YET been fulfilled. But it will be, when the New Heaven and New Earth is created for us.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. (Oh how can you explain this prophesy? This talks about a time when a person dies at a hundred they are but a kid. This verse also talks about sinners being here with them, so then according to this verse, Age limits will be restored to the way they were prior to the flood, Tell me, has this verse happened already, or is it yet to come?)
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. (Days of tree can easily reach a thousand years old. Do people today build something then they die and others inhabit what they build? This verse plainly teaches people will build and they will live there a very long time, and others will not inhabit it. Has this happened yet, or is this yet to come?)
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. (OFFSPRING???? What? during this time, they will be having sex, and having kids and the such? Yes according to this verse they will have OFFSPRING, so then we know this is not talking about the SAINTS, but people. These are they that Jesus and the Saints reign over during the reign of Jesus on the Earth for a thousand years.)
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. (Why? because Jesus Christ will be HERE on the EARTH, exactly as Scriptures teaches.)
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD. (has this happened yet? or is this also a prophesy of a time yet to come?)

Listen to me, Jesus is coming back to reign on the Earth, exactly like the Scriptures teach, the prophets taught this, the Disciples taught that, Jesus taught that, leave it to this wicked and perverted generation to Change the Truth into a lie. Calling their lies the TRUTH. There are many, many prophesies concerning the reign of Christ on the Earth. Woe to those who do not believe or understand the prophesies.

Again, i challenge anyone at all to point out one verse that teaches Jesus does NOT reign on the Earth? Do you know why you can't do that or accept that challenge, because there are NO verses that teach that, that is the thinking of men with their own interpretations, their own thinking, their own beliefs, which does NOT line up with Scriptures, they are false, do not listen to them, listen to the Words of The Prophets of old, what Isaiah described in Chapter 65 has NEVER happened in the past, it is a description of what is going to happen in the future, when Jesus reigns on the Earth. Do not listen to those who will change the Scriptures to fit into their own warped beliefs, they know not the Truth, because it is not in them. They think they know the Truth, all the while changing Scriptures to fit their own belief, instead of changing their belief to fit with what Scriptures teach, desolate children, prating about as if they know something, have some kind of secret knowledge, that makes them feel special in some way, deceived into thinking they have some kind of special revelation from God.

Here is the Truth, and here is a statement that you can test all doctrines, all beliefs.

If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG.

The belief that Jesus does not come back and reign on the Earth contradicts many, and i say MANY Scriptures, old an new. But how likely will this generation change their belief to match with Scriptures, NO not this generation, it is for easier to change scriptures to fit with their own beliefs. Woe to this generation indeed.

i have plainly said, and tell you the Truth, that what i teach is from God, what He has told me, You do not reject me when you disagree, you reject God who told me these things. i have shown in this thread many Scriptures which teach that Jesus will reign on the Earth, i have yet to see one verse that teaches He will NOT. Why is that, because that doctrine is from men and not from the Word of God. Believe the Scriptures, NOT what men teach.

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[DiscipleDave]

This part confuses me.

20:4 in and around.

Will the devil be locked up 1000 yrs to come from the time of revelation. Then loosed for a little season ? Then thrown into the lake of fire.

Or are we and he in that little season now. Then when it hits the fan that's THE END ?

I'm thinking we are in pre 1000 years. But not sure. And if so then there would be a second comeing, then 1000 plus little season. Then a 3rd coming then THE END ?

New Heaven / New Earth

There are many doctrines and beliefs concerning this topic. It has fascinated people all over the world to discuss the end of the world. And in these last days, many people are experiencing a feeling of DOOM. Even though this topic is not a Salvation issue ( that is to say, what you believe concerning this topic, should not cause or prevent one from being Saved ), but that I fail not to reveal what the Spirit of Truth has revealed to me, is why I include it here.

So then whether you believe it or not, is entirely up to you. Pray about it if in doubt. Most everything in this Article will have Scriptures quoted to back up what is being said. Let us begin.

The very first question, are we going to have a New Heaven and a New Earth? Saint Peter says:

• II Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Isaiah, a major prophet of the Old Testament teaching about the future said:

• Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18: But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

Isaiah continues to tell us what the Lord says in:

• Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

Saint John in the Revelations, concerning what is to happen in the future says:

• Revelations 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (Oceans).

And Jesus Christ Himself talked about Heaven and Earth passing away in:

• MATTHEW 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Also see Mark 13:31 and Luke 21:33 )

So we see clearly that Scriptures speak of a New Heaven and a New Earth. So what Heaven is going to pass away and become New? Is it the Heaven where God the Father dwells or is some other Heaven being discussed here? Well we get a little insight what the Apostle Paul says to the Corinthians, consider:

• II CORINTHIANS 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN.

So by this Scripture, if there is a 3rd Heaven, then there is a first Heaven. And verse 4 says the third Heaven is Paradise. Scriptures teach us that the 3rd Heaven is Paradise; does Scriptures teach us about a Heaven that is not Paradise? It does, consider these verses:

• GENESIS 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

• GENESIS 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

Where does rain come from? Where do birds fly? The answer is: Our atmosphere. So the Word of God calls our atmosphere – Heaven. For it says the windows of Heaven were opened and it rained, and that birds fly in the Heaven. Many other verses refer to our atmosphere as a Heaven, which I will not list them all here; I think the verses above are enough.

So if our atmosphere is the first Heaven and Paradise is the third Heaven, I think it would be safe to assume that our solar system, galaxy, and universe is the 2nd Heaven, how is it, there will be some who will disagree even with that in this generation.

If Scriptures teach we will have a New Heaven and a New earth, that means a New Atmosphere and New Earth. So then the atmosphere we have now and the Earth as we know it now, both must pass away according to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

How? How is God going to destroy our atmosphere and Earth as we know it? What I am going to try to do is reveal to you what the Spirit of Truth has revealed to me. It is up to you, if you choose to believe it or not to believe it. My hope is that whether you believe this or not, is when it does come to pass as I have said in this Article, that you will also believe all the rest the Spirit of Truth has revealed to me in this book, and they are Salvation issues. That is my hope anyway.

How is God going to destroy the Earth? With Fire. How is God going to destroy our Heaven, which is our atmosphere? By returning this atmosphere to the way it was prior to the flood.

What? You don’t think it was a different atmosphere prior to the flood? Are you aware it never rained prior to the flood? Consider:

• GENESIS 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

• GENESIS 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

Notice that even the Garden of Eden the plants were not watered by rain, consider:

• GENESIS 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

So then according to the Word, either a mist or rivers is what watered plants, prior to the flood. So the absence of rain shows it was not the same atmosphere we have today. Another big difference, if not the most evident, is that prior to the flood people, according to the Word of God, lived extremely long lives, living to ages of almost a thousand years. And there is evidence from the fossil records prior to the flood that suggests age of plants and animals alike also lived long ages, such as 2 foot grasshoppers, and 50 foot cattails, which could only get to those sizes if they had longer to live, and many other fossils that seem to suggest long ages of life prior to the flood.

Other than- time. What causes people, plants and animals to age? The Sun. Something was definitely different prior to the flood compared to after the flood. And it was our atmosphere. The atmosphere being entirely different also explains why carbon-14 dating is only accurate to the time of the flood, and is extremely inaccurate dating anything prior to the flood. Carbon-14 dating is only accurate in this atmosphere, not the one prior to the flood.

So then God is going to destroy this atmosphere we have now and give us a New one. An atmosphere like the one prior to the flood, and long age will be restored again. Long age being restored again is what Isaiah tells us will happen after the New Heaven and New Earth.

• ISAIAH 65: For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. , (So Isaiah is about to describe conditions AFTER God creates a New Heaven and a New Earth) 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old (Notice that if a person dies at 100 years old they are considered to be a child.); but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. 21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. 22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, (The age of a tree can easily reach 1,000 years old) and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

• ISAIAH 60:22 A little one shall become a thousand, and a small one a strong nation: I the LORD will hasten it in his time.

So God is going to restore the atmosphere to the way it was prior to the flood. Did you know that Scriptures teach that at one time there was a layer of water above our atmosphere? This layer of water would indeed protect people, animals, and plants from the harmful rays of the sun that actually causes a person to age faster. This layer of water would make the planet like a greenhouse. But does the Bible tell us there was water above our atmosphere? Yes. Let us go to Genesis Chapter One:

• GENESIS 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Notice the Earth had no form, that is to say the Earth had no solid substance, and reading on in the same verse it says God moved upon the face of the waters. So then according to this Scripture the Earth was a ball of water, on the first day. So the first day God moved over the ball of water and created light so He could see what He was doing, The second day He created our atmosphere.

• GENESIS 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

What is a firmament?

• GENESIS 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

So then, according to the Word of God, God called the firmament Heaven. So I am going to show Genesis 1:6, substituting the word firmament for Heaven.

• GENESIS 1:6 And God said, Let there be a Heaven (firmament) in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

Do you see what it is saying here? That our atmosphere is divided between two waters. How can our atmosphere divide waters? The only explanation is there was water above our atmosphere and water below our atmosphere. Many people say, that is dividing the waters into seas, oceans, and lakes. The problem with that is we are talking about the 2nd day of creation and there was no LAND. Dry land was created the 3rd day, not the second day.

First day, there was a ball of water and God created light. Second day, God created our (atmosphere/Heaven/Firmament). Third day, He created land out of the waters. So the second day could not have been to create oceans, seas, and lakes, all those things require land.

But on the second day He divided the waters from the waters and put our atmosphere between them. Still doubt? Well the next verse God put in just in case people did not get the truth from the previous verse:

• GENESIS 1:7 And God made the firmament (atmosphere), and divided the waters which were under the firmament (atmosphere) from the waters which were above the firmament (atmosphere): and it was so.

• GENESIS 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

So from what the Word of God teaches there was a layer of water above our atmosphere. Looking at Saturn in our Solar System, it isn’t too hard to believe that it is possible. Saturn’s rings are made up of frozen water, ice. If Saturn would be closer to the Sun like the Earth is, it would be a layer of water and not a ring of ice as it is now. And a layer of water that you would not even be able to see, it would be transparent, you would see through it like glass, only you might see more stars and they may seem closer and brighter, because water magnifies what you see on the other side, but other than that you would not even know it is there looking up from the Earth.

Where do you think enough water could come from to flood the entire world?

• GENESIS 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

If there was a layer of water above our atmosphere as the Word says there was, and it is no longer there now, as we know it is not. Then at some point it had to come down. This happened when the entire world was flooded, and all that water came from that layer of water that was above our atmosphere and there was enough of it to rain on the whole Earth for 40 days and 40 nights. We get a downpour that lasts a few hours and roads and crops are flooded under, a downpour that lasts 40 days and 40 nights will indeed flood the whole Earth. When the weight of the water sinks into the crust in underground rivers and reservoirs, and enough evaporation and cloud formations are created, and water starts to freeze and float, called icebergs, at the North and South Poles, dry land will begin to appear.

If God is going to destroy our atmosphere by returning it to the way it was prior to the flood, which means He is going to restore that layer of water back to above our atmosphere. To do this, will take 7 years of Tribulations. God will destroy the Earth with fire, during the Tribulation period. Much heat will be required to evaporate the water that will be needed to refill this layer of water where it needs to go, something extra will need to happen, which I will discuss later, to make it go that extra step to fill it.

For now consider all these verses which refer to the last days and the fire:

• II PETER 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

• II PETER 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

John the Baptist said:

• MATTHEW 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Jesus confirms this Himself in His Parable of the wheat and the tares:

• MATTHEW 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, (Angels) Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat (Christians) into my barn. ( New City Jerusalem)

Jesus is quoted saying:

• LUKE 12:49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

What about Saint John the Beloved of the Lord, what does he have to say about fire and the Tribulations?

• REVELATION 8:7 The first angel sounded, (trumpet) and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

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[DiscipleDave]

Cont.

Now some Old Testament prophesies:

• PSALMS 50:2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined. 3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. 4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. (Judgment Day)

• PSALMS 97:1 The LORD reigneth; let the earth rejoice; let the multitude of isles be glad thereof. 2 Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteousness and judgment are the habitation of his throne. 3 A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about. 4 His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled. 5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the LORD, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

• PSALMS 46:4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, (New City Jerusalem) the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High. 5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early. 6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted. 7 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah. 8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth. 9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.

• NAHUM 1:5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. 6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

• DUETERONOMY 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the EARTH with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. 23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows (asteroids) upon them. 24 They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.

• ZEPHANIAH 1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD’S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

• ZEPHANIAH 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

• ISAIAH 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.

• ISAIAH 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

• ISAIAH 30:30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.

• ISAIAH 64:1 Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence, 2 As when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to boil, to make thy name known to thine adversaries, that the nations may tremble at thy presence!

• ISAIAH 51:6 Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

• ISAIAH 13:8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.

• ISAIAH 33:12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime: as thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire. 13 Hear, ye that are far off, what I have done; and, ye that are near, acknowledge my might. 14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

• ISAIAH 9:19 Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother.

The prophet Joel has something to say concerning the Tribulations, we know this because of verse 1 that he is referring to the last days, and pay special attention to verse 3 which gives us a time line (sort of), talking about the fire and desolation but a Garden of Eden after that time of fire, also notice in verse 6 which prophesies that all faces shall gather blackness, from all the fires I suspect.

• JOEL 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, (The last Trumpet, the 7th Trumpet) and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the Garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. 4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. 6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

As you can see, Scriptures prophesize that the entire Earth is going to be burned with fire. With all that fire it will cause a great deal of evaporation of water. Here are some Scriptures which speak of rivers drying up and no more oceans.

• JOEL 1:19 O LORD, to thee will I cry: for the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness, and the flame hath burned all the trees of the field. 20 The beasts of the field cry also unto thee: for the rivers of waters are dried up, and the fire hath devoured the pastures of the wilderness.

• ISAIAH 50:2 Wherefore, when I came, was there no man? when I called, was there none to answer? Is my hand shortened at all, that it cannot redeem? or have I no power to deliver? behold, at my rebuke I dry up the sea, I make the rivers a wilderness: their fish stinketh, because there is no water, and dieth for thirst.

• NAHUM 1:4 He rebuketh the sea, and maketh it dry, and drieth up all the rivers: Bashan languisheth, and Carmel, and the flower of Lebanon languisheth.

Please understand, any large body of water was called a sea. So oceans were considered to be seas in those days. And according to the Word of God, God will dry up all the seas, which would include the oceans.

• REVELATION 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

No more sea, where did all that water go to if there are no more seas or oceans? Well most of it went to fill that layer of water above our atmosphere is where the water went. And there is a particular day coming, according to the Scriptures, that will be hat as an oven, consider:

• MALACHI 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, (commit sins) shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

And Isaiah describes this particular day even better:

• ISAIAH 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.

According to Malachi a day is coming that will be as hot as an oven. Isaiah says a day is coming when the moon will shine as bright as the sun, and the sun will shine in one day, 7 days worth of light and heat. That day water will boil like Isaiah says in 64:2. Saint John may be describing this day in:

• REVELATION 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

Even the Patriarch David might have referred to this day:

• PSALMS 21:9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the LORD shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them.

Do you know what protects the Earth from radiation from the sun? Our magnetic field that wraps around our planet is what deflects harmful rays to our planet. Scientists now are saying that the Earth will go through another polar shift, that is where the North Pole becomes the South Pole and the South Pole becomes the North. They say it will not happen for thousands of years from now. They say during that switching of the poles, however long it takes the Earth will be unprotected by the magnetic shields, This is the time the Earth will be most vulnerable to the harmful radiation of the sun. What if the Earth is bombarded by asteroids, could this not cause a Polar shift to prematurely switch? Consider this Scripture:

• ISAIAH 24:1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.

What if this inspired by God Scripture is a reference to God shifting the poles, which indeed would turn the world upside down. Maybe during the shift when we lose our magnetic protection is the day that the Earth shall burn as an oven, we shall soon see.

Well we see that there will be much fire during the Tribulation Period and much heat will cause much water to be evaporated. However evaporation is not enough to push the evaporated water into the higher atmosphere where it will return to water. So then something else has to happen to give the evaporated water a little extra push.

What if the planet were to spin faster? Then Centrifugal force would be enough to push that evaporated water that extra step so that layer can start filling up with water. I realize how this may sound, but I have Scriptures that support this ideal. How do you get a basketball to spin faster on your finger? You would strike it in the direction of its spin.

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[DiscipleDave]

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So what if an asteroid the size of a Mountain and a comet the same size, both hit the planet in the direction of its spin, would this not cause the planet to spin faster? Theoretically scientists say this is possible.

Now Scriptures teach the Earth will be hit by an asteroid the size of a mountain and also a comet.

• REVELATION 8:8 And the second angel sounded, (a Trumpet) and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

So at the Second Trumpet a huge asteroid the size of a mountain hits the planet.

• REVELATION 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Please note, most comets are referred to as miniature stars. So at the third Trumpet another object hits the planet again. So the Earth has taken TWO huge impacts. What if, both of these hit the planet in the direction it is spinning, could this not make the planet spin faster? Sure it could, provided they are big enough and fast enough and at the right angle. Yes they could. Let us look at the fourth Angel when He sounds his Trumpet, if it will shed any light on what happens after the 2nd and 3rd Trumpets.

• REVELATION 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

According to this verse something happens to 1/3 of the day and an equal amount of time happens to the night as well. What if, this is a description of the Earth spinning faster? True enough if we were to lose 4 hours during the day and 4 hours during the night, we would indeed lose 1/3 of the day and also 1/3 of the night as well.

So then the 2nd Trumpet sounds, a burning great Mountain hits the Earth, the 3rd Trumpet sounds, a star hits the Earth, and the 4th Trumpet 1/3 of the day is gone, and 1/3 of the night as well, and if you read on, the 5th Trumpet is yet another star that hits the planet.

The question is, are there any Scriptures that would seem to support this belief? That somehow our Earth is going to change its current speed and path?

• PSALMS 46:1 To the chief Musician for the sons of Korah, A Song upon Alamoth.>> God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble. 2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;

Notice it said “Though the Earth be removed “. Think about that.

• ISAIAH 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

How can the entire Earth move out of her place? Isn’t the Earth on a set orbit around the sun? A definite place? A set pattern where it is suppose to be when it is suppose to be. So we see several Scriptures that talk about the Earth being removed, or moved, or out of place. And we haven’t even gotten to the most convincing of these verses yet.

• AMOS 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:

Tell me, what is the only conclusion that is possible for the Sun to set at NOON? The Sun does not move faster, because it is not the sun that moves. What has to move faster in order for the sun to set at NOON? Yes, our planet has to speed up its spin, in order for the sun to set at NOON. Like the Word of God says it will. This verse, if to be believed proves that the Earth will spin faster, if we are to ever see the sun set at NOON. Now the next few verses from ISAIAH are the MOST convincing.

• ISAIAH 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.

Did you notice the statement “for the windows from on high are open “ ? The last time those windows from on high were opened it flooded the entire Earth. Maybe God is revealing to us in this verse, that the windows on high are opened – to receive the water back to itself, just a thought. Let’s continue with the next verse:

• ISAIAH 24:19 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. (The Earth is moved exceedingly, could this not be a description of the Earth spinning exceedingly) 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. (the transgressions)

WOW! The major prophet Isaiah plainly tells us that the Earth will be moved exceedingly, and that the Earth will reel to and fro as if it were drunk.

The 7 year Tribulation period serves two purposes for God. First purpose, He is going to restore the atmosphere to the way it was prior to the flood, for His 1,000 year reign on Earth, the whole Earth will be like the Garden of Eden during the 1,000 years. It is God’s Sabbath. In order to restore the atmosphere to its ideal condition, He has to destroy this atmosphere we have now and the Earth as well, and He destroys them with fire. The fire is the second purpose of the Tribulation period to punish the wicked and to destroy the wicked off the Earth. The wicked will not be Raptured with Christ, nor will they survive the Tribulation period, to live during the 1,000 year reign of Christ. God will destroy the wicked off the face of the Earth during this Tribulation period and at the same time restoring the atmosphere to the way it was prior to the flood. So His 1,000 year reign on Earth will be a Paradise for His chosen few.

Now you can believe this will happen or not believe, as for me I KNOW IT WILL HAPPEN, even as I have described it in this Article. My hope for you is, that you are not doing anything, that God will Judge you as wicked, because you will experience this Article first hand if you are not abiding in the Word of God.

Remember the Word says, those who believe in Jesus shall be Saved (John 3:16) AND the Word reveals to us over and over again that those who believe in Him, OBEY HIM. The Word even right out tells us who will have Eternal Life.

• Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Those who Believe + Obey =Eternal Salvation. Those who have Faith + Works = Eternal Salvation.

Please read Article “Faith, Works, or Both?” for more information on that.

So according to I John 1:6-7 As long as you are walking in the light as Jesus walked in the light, THEN His blood will cleanse you from all sin. So if you walk in the light NOW and remain in that light, endure to the end, then you will be Raptured up with Christ and His Second coming, and you will not experience the 7 last plagues that will be poured out on the Earth to destroy the wicked. (wicked = those who continue to do wickedness, and does not cease from them)

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by ritelec

This part confuses me.

20:4 in and around.

Will the devil be locked up 1000 yrs to come from the time of revelation. Then loosed for a little season ? Then thrown into the lake of fire.

Or are we and he in that little season now. Then when it hits the fan that's THE END ?

I'm thinking we are in pre 1000 years. But not sure. And if so then there would be a second comeing, then 1000 plus little season. Then a 3rd coming then THE END ?

i am sorry, i posted the wrong article. instead of posting another lengthy article, i will just put a link to it, again sorry about that. The Meaning of Life. this article told to me by God, is what happened in Heaven, with Lucifer, why humans were made, and what is going to happen with Lucifer in the end, and why Lucifer is tying to get as many souls as he can to come and attack God and the Holy City when they are released.

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