To comfort those who speak in tongues

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Stirring up that gift that is in you!!! Praise God.

Wonderful!!! Our God is amazing Ember, Halleluyah.

Re the mud that sticks, yep been there too. We know that ALL things work together for good, to them that love God, to them that are called according to His purpose...what bad things happen to us turn out to be good for the preaching of the Gospel according to our testimony in Christ. :) Looking back, we wouldn't have it any other way, amen. :)
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amen

I was thinking yesterday about how weapons are forged...in heat....I've certainly had some LOL!

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
 
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Do you mean this in the sense of you sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalalala ? :)

C'mon Roger, I have lost count of the many people who have tried to help you see where you are going wrong, but no! You are not having it!
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The Holy Spirit testifies against you. You cannot perceive the truth because you want tongues more than you want truth.

For the cause of Christ
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Tongues ceased in 70 AD. The tongues of today are emotions, self induced or demonic.
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Paul on the road to Damascus thought he was on the Lord's mission also

He wasn't

I see a similarity but thank you for the time it took to post as you did
 
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Sir, read my post again... IN CONTEXT. I said nothing about tongues today. I said that "Biblically, the purpose of the gift of tongues WAS to speak to people in a multitude of languages." Your comments are out of line and unnecessary.
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Never were any tongues in private. Tongues are a sign gift for Israel. A sing of impending judgment from Jehovah God upon a stiff necked and gainsaying people Israel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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The gospel Paul wrote; all the epistles he wrote, the leadership letters he wrote - he wrote by revelation from Jesus Christ. How ya like that for manifesting the Spirit through word of wisdom and word of knowledge!!! - And he spoke in tongues "more than you all". . . "you" being in the plural - so meaning more than the whole Corinthian church . . . but yet: The blockbuster is this: What Paul condemns in the Corinthian church is the practice that you "tongues-speakers" claim is endorsed in the letter!
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I want to apologize to VW . . . and others for inserting and replying in the manner in which I did. I usually try my best not to stoop to belittling or tearing down others . . .

So - I APOLOGIZE to any I may have offended.
 
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notuptome said:
The Holy Spirit testifies against you. You cannot perceive the truth because you want tongues more than you want truth.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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intended for humor...no smilies were hurt in the copy/paste procedure
 
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The Holy Spirit testifies against you. You cannot perceive the truth because you want tongues more than you want truth.

For the cause of Christ
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People are more interested in their personal experiences than the truth of the word. It is why threads like this are so "personal"

They expect to be validated by their personal experience. When it is called into question or rejected, Its personal.
 
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People are more interested in their personal experiences than the truth of the word. It is why threads like this are so "personal"

They expect to be validated by their personal experience. When it is called into question or rejected, Its personal.
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Thats not why I asked what I asked or from the perspective I was coming from. I asked to see if you would call it demonic, which in another post you did (along with emotions, self induction, etc). If you believe it to be ceased, then those operating in it, to you, are deceived. We aren't trying to validate our experience over the Word but by the Word. The Word does validate our experience because such experiences are shared in scripture and defined in such a way to align with our conduct of the gift.
 
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Thats not why I asked what I asked or from the perspective I was coming from. I asked to see if you would call it demonic, which in another post you did (along with emotions, self induction, etc). If you believe it to be ceased, then those operating in it, to you, are deceived. We aren't trying to validate our experience over the Word but by the Word. The Word does validate our experience because such experiences are shared in scripture and defined in such a way to align with our conduct of the gift.
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For some people I would call it demonic. The believer cannot be indwelt by demons, but we sure can be influenced by them.

IMO, for the majority of believers it is emotion or self induced. It is hard to be in a crowd and not follow the crowd. Especially if we admire or respect the other people.
 
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Why would anyone want the Gift of Tongues?

I desire the Gift of teaching instead.
 
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Why would anyone want the Gift of Tongues?

I desire the Gift of teaching instead.
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Paul wished that everybody had tongues in the Corinthian letter. Because He had great love for his fellow countrymen and he knew that there were only 15 years left for the Sign of tongues before the judgement of the nation of Israel.

He knew tongues were close to the way out(70AD) and He didn't want judgement to come on his fellow countrymen.
 
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I have yet to be convinced that speaking in tongues other than the language of the person(s) you are talking to edifies anyone. I assure you that I find this thread totally unedifying.

Maybe each of you should answer this question (no essays) "Why does God give us the gifts of the Spirit?"
 
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.................If you believe it to be ceased, then those operating in it, to you, are deceived............................
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And this is why there is so much resistance to it. We are trying desperately to show people the error of theirs ways and they keep resisting scripture as if it were anathema to them.

Still haven't seen anyone tell me why they prefer the lesser gift over the better gift.
 
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Gr8grace said:
Paul wished that everybody had tongues in the Corinthian letter. Because He had great love for his fellow countrymen and he knew that there were only 15 years left for the Sign of tongues before the judgement of the nation of Israel.

He knew tongues were close to the way out(70AD) and He didn't want judgement to come on his fellow countrymen.
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Most are saying that the canon of scripture was that which was "perfect", "complete" - if that is the case, you are having the canon - written scripture completed in 70 AD . . . for that is when prophecy shall fail, tongues cease and knowledge vanish . . . John hadn't even received his vision in Revelation at that time.

I also thought that the tribulation and God's wrath is coming judgment on Israel? . . . man, how does something so simple get so difficult. . . . :)
 
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Most are saying that the canon of scripture was that which was "perfect", "complete" - if that is the case, you are having the canon - written scripture completed in 70 AD . . . for that is when prophecy shall fail, tongues cease and knowledge vanish . . . John hadn't even received his vision in Revelation at that time.

I also thought that the tribulation and God's wrath is coming judgment on Israel? . . . man, how does something so simple get so difficult. . . . :)
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I don't believe tongues falls into the 96 ad time frame. That is knowledge and prophecy.

Tongues ceased itself in 70 AD and knowledge and prophecy were canceled out in 96AD by an out side force....the completed canon.(Neuter gender)

I posted this earlier for my stance.

1 Corinthians 13:8 (NASB95)
8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues,they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.

Tongues is plural, the pronoun "they" is plural. IF, there are varied forms of tongues, they ALL will cease.

If we take careful note of the words "Cease" for tongues and "done away with" for Prophecy and knowledge. We will notice that "cease" is in the middle voice and "done away with" is in the passive voice.

The middle voice indicates that tongues would work against itself to to bring about its own termination. And because of its nature of being a sign to "this people"(Israel), when the sign has served its purpose, they would end. They had a limited use,and when the usefulness ran its course, tongues ended in and of themselves.

Prophecy and knowledge, being in the passive voice, receives the action of being terminated.When the completed canon(The perfect/NEUTER gender) came.

Since tongues were a sign for the impending 5th cycle of discipline for "this People", Israel. And they received their last cycle of discipline in 70 AD, when Titus of ROME dispersed the nation of Israel.......ALL varied forms of tongues ceased.
 
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I have yet to be convinced that speaking in tongues other than the language of the person(s) you are talking to edifies anyone. I assure you that I find this thread totally unedifying.

Maybe each of you should answer this question (no essays) "Why does God give us the gifts of the Spirit?"​













Speaking in tongues goes against everything we know as normal rational human beings.


One of the great advantages of speaking in tongues is that when we speak in tongues, we are praying from our spirits and not our heads (1Co 14:14). Speaking in this heavenly language bypasses the brain and its limitations, which can sometimes be a real hindrance to communication with the Lord. The spirit is the part of us that has the mind of Christ (see note 6 at 1Co 2:16), and praying from the spirit is much more powerful than praying from our limited wisdom.
Also, as we pray in tongues, we are praising God with perfect praise (1Co 14:17). We have often been frustrated in our finite attempts to adequately praise an infinite God. That's the feeling behind songs like "O for a Thousand Tongues to Sing." The Lord has given us the ability to praise Him beyond the limitations of our minds through giving us this heavenly language that knows no limits.Speaking in the tongues of angels promotes spiritual growth (1Co 14:4). It builds us up on our most holy faith (Jude 20). It allows us to draw on the infinite wisdom of God that has been deposited on the inside of us (see note 18 at 1Co 14:14).

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(a)I don't believe tongues falls into the 96 ad time frame. (b)That is knowledge and prophecy..........................................
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A. That's not real important if it's scripture.
B. You have nothing to qualify that statement. There is nothing in scripture that separates those things as you do.
 
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A. That's not real important if it's scripture.
B. You have nothing to qualify that statement. There is nothing in scripture that separates those things as you do.
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break my post down and show me where I wrong.

At least I gave scripture,the original language and some logic.

You gave me nothing but your opinion.

You are about the most immature 60 year old I know. Are you sure your age shouldn't be 12?
 
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Gr8grace said:
I don't believe tongues falls into the 96 ad time frame. That is knowledge and prophecy.

Tongues ceased itself in 70 AD and knowledge and prophecy were canceled out in 96AD by an out side force....the completed canon.(Neuter gender)

I posted this earlier for my stance.

1 Corinthians 13:8 (NASB95)
8 Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues,they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.

Tongues is plural, the pronoun "they" is plural. IF, there are varied forms of tongues, they ALL will cease.

If we take careful note of the words "Cease" for tongues and "done away with" for Prophecy and knowledge. We will notice that "cease" is in the middle voice and "done away with" is in the passive voice.

The middle voice indicates that tongues would work against itself to to bring about its own termination. And because of its nature of being a sign to "this people"(Israel), when the sign has served its purpose, they would end. They had a limited use,and when the usefulness ran its course, tongues ended in and of themselves.

Prophecy and knowledge, being in the passive voice, receives the action of being terminated.When the completed canon(The perfect/NEUTER gender) came.

Since tongues were a sign for the impending 5th cycle of discipline for "this People", Israel. And they received their last cycle of discipline in 70 AD, when Titus of ROME dispersed the nation of Israel.......ALL varied forms of tongues ceased.
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I'm sorry but I don't really understand a lot of what you are saying . . . so tongues were only for the Jews . . . wonder why it is spoken of as one of the manifestation of the Spirit - i.e. to manifest something means to make evident and the Spirit is only born within a believer, i.e. the church the body of Christ? What in the world is the "impending 5th cycle of discipline"? You do realize that tongues are languages? "There are, it may be, so many kinds of voice in the world and none of them is without signification." I still hear different languages today . . . Shoot, I don't even know how to reply fully to this :eek:
 
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I'm sorry but I don't really understand a lot of what you are saying . . . so tongues were only for the Jews . . . wonder why it is spoken of as one of the manifestation of the Spirit - i.e. to manifest something means to make evident and the Spirit is only born within a believer, i.e. the church the body of Christ? What in the world is the "impending 5th cycle of discipline"? You do realize that tongues are languages? "There are, it may be, so many kinds of voice in the world and none of them is without signification." I still hear different languages today . . . Shoot, I don't even know how to reply fully to this :eek:
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God had Israel for His Client nation. This nation was to be free and have the freedom to spread the Gospel to all other nations and people. As long as this nation stayed positive to God and spread the Gospel, God protected Israel.

Israel fell away, and they went negative towards God. God puts His client nation through 5 cycles of discipline to get that nation "back on track". Each cycle of discipline gets worse so as to wake people up. If the Nation does not heed the discipline the 5th cycle ends that nations client status and God Goes to a nation that is positive to Him.

1st ~~ Leviticus 26:16-17
2nd ~~ Leviticus 26:18-20
3rd `~ Leviticus 26:21-22
4th ~~ Leviticus 26:23-26
5th ~~ Leviticus 26:27-38; descriptive in Deuteronomy 28:49-67

In Isaiah 28, the prophet warns Israel of the coming 5th cycle of discipline and tongues were Going to be a sign to Israel.

Isaiah 28:2 (NASB95)
2 Behold, the Lord has a strong and mighty agent(The Jews were dispersed as a nation in 70 AD);
As a storm of hail, a tempest of destruction,
Like a storm of mighty overflowing waters,
He has cast itdown to the earth with His hand.


Isaiah 28:11 (NASB95)
11 Indeed, He will speak to this people (Israel/Jews)
Through stammering lips and a foreign tongue,


1 Corinthians 14:21 (NASB95)
21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak tothis people(Israel/Jews), and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.

While members of the church had the Gift,the impact of the Gift was for "this people"......Israel.


What was the purpose of tongues? And what did God want to accomplish through the Sign gift of tongues? Paul answers this,not us.


1 Corinthians 14:22 (NASB95)
22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.


1 Corinthians 14:21 (NASB95)
21 In the Law it is written, “By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak tothis people, and even so they will not listen to Me,” says the Lord.

Tongues were a sign to unbelieving Israel, that they were about to have the 5th cycle of discipline administered to their nation. And they would be dispersed as a nation. And tongues ceased to "this people" in 70 AD when God administered His 5th cycle of discipline.


Isaiah 28:1 (NASB95)
1 Woe to the proud crown of the drunkards of Ephraim,
And to the fading flower of its glorious beauty,
Which is at the head of the fertile valley
Of those who are overcome with wine!


Isaiah 28:2 (NASB95)
2 Behold, the Lord has a strong and mighty agent(Jerusalem was overthrown by a foreign agent);
As a storm of hail, a tempest of destruction,
Like a storm of mighty overflowing waters,
He has cast itdown to the earth with His hand.


Deut 28~~

49 “aThe Lord will bring a nation against you from afar, from the end of the earth, bas the eagle swoops down, a nation whose language you shall not understand,
50 a nation of fierce countenance who will ahave no respect for the old, nor show favor to the young.......continue on to verse 67. In 70 AD Jerusalem fell and Israel was dispersed as a nation. Thus the sign of tongues had accomplished its purpose and they ceased.






 
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