To comfort those who speak in tongues

[peacefulbeliever]

no, miraculous signs are listed here too:

Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
(2 Corinthians 12:7-11)​

Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers;
prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers.
(1 Corinthians 14:22)​

Actually, there are no miraculous "signs" listed here; a "manifestation of miracles" is listed. Nor are there "gifts" listed here (except for gifts of healing; because healing is a gift from God). What is listed here are "the manifestation of the Spirit". ​

i think the most important point we should draw from 2 Timothy 1:6 is to stir up the Spirit himself in us, and let the Spirit determine how He should manifested in us, like it's written here -

All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
(1 Corinthians 12:11) ​

Yep, these are all energized by one and the same Spirit and God distributes them (the manifestation) to each one (man) as he (pronoun adjacent to "man" or "one") wills or determines. Dividing or distributing to every man severally - the word severally is "idios" meaning one's own, to one's self or belonging to one's self . . . as he, man or one wills or determines - boulomai - to will deliberately, have a purpose, be minded . . So the manifestation of the Spirit is energized by one and the selfsame Spirit distributing the manifestation to each one's own as man wills or determines. God does not possess anyone . . . everything is done by man's own will - or as each individual wills. ​

Paul tells us we ought to desire the 'greater gifts' - like prophecy, but then Peter also tells us that no prophet of God speaks from his own will, but because he's moved by the Spirit. (2 Peter 1:20-21)
so, it's not 'prophecy' we should 'stir up' or 'fan the flames of' -- but the Spirit, and if He is willing, He will cause us to prophesy.
same with tongues -- we should seek God, and walk by the Spirit, and if the Spirit (not us) determines we should manifest Him in this way, it will be.
otherwise aren't we like Simon the sorcerer - desiring the power and the signs, instead of the Spirit?

I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues except he interpret that the church may receive edifying. - Tongues is just as important in the church IF it is interpreted .. . in both cases then prophecy or tongues with interpretation edify the church. [1 Cor. 14:5]

Do we "SEEK" out these manifestations of the Spirit - Maybe the question should be: do we want to edify ourselves in the Spirit and edify the church? - Do we desire things of the Spirit? We should follow after charity and desire things of the Spirit (pneumatikos) [1 Cor. 14:1] We all have the gift of the Spirit when we are born again - do we let that gift lie dormant or do we let it be energized?

 

[ember]

I think pride and unbelief play a part in refusing what God desires to give through His Spirit.

I guess being a teacher, also one of the gifts God gives, is not so....hateful

Many seem to want to have that gift...thing is, I am really not so sure God would give that gift to someone who looks with distain and even apparent hatred at those who say they speak in tongues

I am sorry Convallaria that you have been misrepresented and attacked here. And WoundedWarrior...I hope you don't go.

Some people seem to think that bullying will get them what they want and if they always get away with it, they will keep on doing it.

You can only report what you observe as a nasty post or name calling or obvious hostility. Those things are still against the TOS

 

[RickyZ]

I always wonder about those who go about telling everyone what gifts they have. Seems to me if you got them they will be obvious and if not it will be obvious as well.

And yet you can't see the obvious.

It is Babylonian to go about proclaiming about self instead of Jesus.

You're absolutely right on this one... except that it's hard to tell about a personal experience without using the word "I". Not every use of the word "I" is self-serving.

For the cause of Christ

I really wish you would stop using this tag line because you're obviously not, given your staunch efforts to deny His power.

Roger

Love ya Rog!

Hate your erroneous theology tho.

 

[RickyZ]

Why so much debate and arguing over the Gifts of the Spirit? What we receive is what God wants us to have. No one Gift is any greater than another. But yet people will base their self worth on which Gift they have!

The Gift of Tongues is basically a worthless Gift when used to build up one's Pride in themselves. I have seen way too many Christians that insist they have the Gift of Tongues trying to impress you.

Why do Christians not desire the other Gifts? Because its only the Gift of Tongues that people see in other people. Its a form of Pride those who advocate the Gifts of Tongues.

What about teaching, healing, bringing the Gospel of Salvation to the World?

All those who chase after the Gift of Tongues are doing it for their Pride and not for God.

Not all Mike, but I'll give it to you that many do just this. Again, be careful the baby doesn't fly with the bathwater.

 

[convallaria]

Actually, there are no miraculous "signs" listed here; a "manifestation of miracles" is listed. Nor are there "gifts" listed here (except for gifts of healing; because healing is a gift from God). What is listed here are "the manifestation of the Spirit".

​

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Hi, I don't mean to be picky but for the purposes of this discussion we ought to see that in verse 1 of 1 Cor 12 Paul shows that he was speaking entirely about gifts.

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

He then prefaces those gifts by teaching us that first of all there are many kinds of gifts, and differences of administrations of those gifts, and also diversities of operations of those gifts of the Holy Spirit, as follows.....


4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.


....and the manifestation (of the gift) is given to every man to profit withal. If it is something given, then it is a gift. Then he lists the gifts.

For instance a healing gift would be administered e.g by the laying on of hands, while a tongue gift would have a different operation...whether the prophetic kind in the congregation, or the private edification kind, the operation of that gift is by speech.

I wanted to make sure it was understood that when Paul encouraged Timothy to stir up the gift in him, he could be referring to any one of the gifts listed above: we don't know, because he doesn't say. Timothy would have known what gift needed stirring up in him however.

And it is the same with us. We have been gifted with something if we are born again, because the word says that God divides these things severally to every man as He will (verse 11). When he says every man, obviously that doesn't mean any old Tom Dick or Harry...but those who are born again of the Spirit of God.

So if we are born again, we can trust God that He has gifted us with one or more of those things listed and it is up to us to explore with humility what those gifts might be. I gave the example of tongues because they are commonly gifted to the people of God, and as I said in another post on this thread, we can leave that gift aside out of discouragement...or even fear when we are being attacked for even mentioning it...and many other things that would try and divert us from the purposes of the Spirit. But this might equally apply to those other gifts for the same reasons.

I know we are on the same page here to a great extent but I feel it is important to address both the operation of the gifts and the administration of the gifts, so that we know how these things work, and can be better equipped to see what God is doing with us, and emboldened to then move and step out within the gifting.

This is a really important discussion! We have much to do in the body of Christ in the days ahead, how ever long we have before the Lord returns. My intention on this thread as with others is to encourage us all to reach forward and obtain those things which God has freely given us as His children, and to walk powerfully in them.

God bless all!

 

[convallaria]

I think pride and unbelief play a part in refusing what God desires to give through His Spirit.

I guess being a teacher, also one of the gifts God gives, is not so....hateful

Many seem to want to have that gift...thing is, I am really not so sure God would give that gift to someone who looks with distain and even apparent hatred at those who say they speak in tongues

I am sorry Convallaria that you have been misrepresented and attacked here. And WoundedWarrior...I hope you don't go.

Some people seem to think that bullying will get them what they want and if they always get away with it, they will keep on doing it.

You can only report what you observe as a nasty post or name calling or obvious hostility. Those things are still against the TOS

No worries Ember! Thank you for the continuous encouragement by your posts. I had a great sleep and woke up thinking, everyone needs a chance to see their error...so I won't be complaining for now.

I am getting to know everyone on here and it is wonderful that in the vast crowd of humanity assembled, the body of Christ is still evident and functioning praise God!

 

[peacefulbeliever]

[/INDENT]Hi, I don't mean to be picky but for the purposes of this discussion we ought to see that in verse 1 of 1 Cor 12 Paul shows that he was speaking entirely about gifts.

1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

The word "gifts" is italicized showing that it was added by the translators. The word "spiritual" is the Greek word pneumatikos and generally means matters of the Spirit or spiritual matters.

He then prefaces those gifts by teaching us that first of all there are many kinds of gifts, and differences of administrations of those gifts, and also diversities of operations of those gifts of the Holy Spirit, as follows.....

4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.


....and the manifestation (of the gift) is given to every man to profit withal. If it is something given, then it is a gift. Then he lists the gifts.

There are many kinds of gifts . . . there is the gift of salvation, there is the gift ministries - apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers . . . then verse 7 starts out with "BUT" which sets the following in contrast to what has been said before . . . BUT the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal (for profit).

For instance a healing gift would be administered e.g by the laying on of hands, while a tongue gift would have a different operation...whether the prophetic kind in the congregation, or the private edification kind, the operation of that gift is by speech.

I wanted to make sure it was understood that when Paul encouraged Timothy to stir up the gift in him, he could be referring to any one of the gifts listed above: we don't know, because he doesn't say. Timothy would have known what gift needed stirring up in him however.

The use of the word "another" does not mean that each person will manifest only one of the manifestations. These manifestations are not gifts in and of themselves but all nine manifestations are in the ONE gift - the gift of holy Spirit. "Another" is either allos meaning of the same kind or heteros of a different kind - the use of allos and heteros is God separating the manifestations into 3 groups separated by the word heteros - Revelation . . word of knowledge, word of wisdom; Power . . . faith, gifts of healings, miracles, discerning of spirits; Worship . . . prophecy, speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues. These all work together from the gift of holy Spirit within us so that we can have a fruitful relationship with God and be fellow workers with Him (1 Cor. 3:9) - we worship God in spirit and in truth (worship group), we hear from Him (revelation group) and we are fellow workers with Him (power group).

With Timothy, I believe Paul knew he was reaching the end of his ministry and was "passing the mantle" (so to speak) to Timothy. . . . I am not sure if that "gift" is meaning the gift of teaching or the gift of holy Spirit . . could be either one.

And it is the same with us. We have been gifted with something if we are born again, because the word says that God divides these things severally to every man as He will (verse 11). When he says every man, obviously that doesn't mean any old Tom Dick or Harry...but those who are born again of the Spirit of God.

So if we are born again, we can trust God that He has gifted us with one or more of those things listed and it is up to us to explore with humility what those gifts might be. I gave the example of tongues because they are commonly gifted to the people of God, and as I said in another post on this thread, we can leave that gift aside out of discouragement...or even fear when we are being attacked for even mentioning it...and many other things that would try and divert us from the purposes of the Spirit. But this might equally apply to those other gifts for the same reasons.

Every man means EVERY BELIEVER. When we are born again, EVERY BORN AGAIN believer receives the gift of holy Spirit. Every man can manifest that gift of holy Spirit. From other post: Yep, these are all energized by one and the same Spirit and God distributes them (the manifestation) to each one (man) as he (pronoun adjacent to "man" or "one") wills or determines. Dividing or distributing to every man severally - the word severally is "idios" meaning one's own, to one's self or belonging to one's self . . . as he, man or one wills or determines - boulomai - to will deliberately, have a purpose, be minded . . So the manifestation of the Spirit is energized by one and the selfsame Spirit distributing the manifestation to each one's own as man wills or determines. God does not possess anyone . . . everything is done by man's own will - or as each individual wills.

I know we are on the same page here to a great extent but I feel it is important to address both the operation of the gifts and the administration of the gifts, so that we know how these things work, and can be better equipped to see what God is doing with us, and emboldened to then move and step out within the gifting.

This is a really important discussion! We have much to do in the body of Christ in the days ahead, how ever long we have before the Lord returns. My intention on this thread as with others is to encourage us all to reach forward and obtain those things which God has freely given us as His children, and to walk powerfully in them.

God bless all!

To a degree yes we are on the same page . . . it is important to realize that there are nine "manifestations" of the ONE gift - the gift of holy Spirit.

I DO understand your intention with this thread.

Peace to you and God bless you . . .PB

 

[convallaria]

The word "gifts" is italicized showing that it was added by the translators. The word "spiritual" is the Greek word pneumatikos and generally means matters of the Spirit or spiritual matters.

There are many kinds of gifts . . . there is the gift of salvation, there is the gift ministries - apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers . . . then verse 7 starts out with "BUT" which sets the following in contrast to what has been said before . . . BUT the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal (for profit).

The use of the word "another" does not mean that each person will manifest only one of the manifestations. These manifestations are not gifts in and of themselves but all nine manifestations are in the ONE gift - the gift of holy Spirit. "Another" is either allos meaning of the same kind or heteros of a different kind - the use of allos and heteros is God separating the manifestations into 3 groups separated by the word heteros - Revelation . . word of knowledge, word of wisdom; Power . . . faith, gifts of healings, miracles, discerning of spirits; Worship . . . prophecy, speaking in tongues, interpretation of tongues. These all work together from the gift of holy Spirit within us so that we can have a fruitful relationship with God and be fellow workers with Him (1 Cor. 3:9) - we worship God in spirit and in truth (worship group), we hear from Him (revelation group) and we are fellow workers with Him (power group).

With Timothy, I believe Paul knew he was reaching the end of his ministry and was "passing the mantle" (so to speak) to Timothy. . . . I am not sure if that "gift" is meaning the gift of teaching or the gift of holy Spirit . . could be either one.

Every man means EVERY BELIEVER. When we are born again, EVERY BORN AGAIN believer receives the gift of holy Spirit. Every man can manifest that gift of holy Spirit. From other post: Yep, these are all energized by one and the same Spirit and God distributes them (the manifestation) to each one (man) as he (pronoun adjacent to "man" or "one") wills or determines. Dividing or distributing to every man severally - the word severally is "idios" meaning one's own, to one's self or belonging to one's self . . . as he, man or one wills or determines - boulomai - to will deliberately, have a purpose, be minded . . So the manifestation of the Spirit is energized by one and the selfsame Spirit distributing the manifestation to each one's own as man wills or determines. God does not possess anyone . . . everything is done by man's own will - or as each individual wills.

To a degree yes we are on the same page . . . it is important to realize that there are nine "manifestations" of the ONE gift - the gift of holy Spirit.

I DO understand your intention with this thread.

Peace to you and God bless you . . .PB

Why why why go and complicate things when we were finally understanding a few simple truths together? If you are going to go running off to the Greek to prove a point that is by no means straightforward to you in the text, no wonder you will get in a muddle.

You can't teach what you do not know by the Holy Spirit, so the Greek is not going to give you assistance if all you are doing is trying to make your own understanding plain.

One or two things, you just repeated what I said and capitalised it as though you were arguing with me, like this:

Every man means EVERY BELIEVER. When we are born again, EVERY BORN AGAIN believer receives the gift of holy Spirit.

...when I said this already: "And it is the same with us. We have been gifted with something if we are born again, because the word says that God divides these things severally to every man as He will (verse 11). When he says every man, obviously that doesn't mean any old Tom Dick or Harry...but those who are born again of the Spirit of God."

And then you said this:

The use of the word "another" does not mean that each person will manifest only one of the manifestations.

....when I had already said this:

"So if we are born again, we can trust God that He has gifted us with one or more of those things listed and it is up to us to explore with humility what those gifts might be."

You just seem to want to make an argument out of nothing!

However I stand by my original disagreement with you, and I stand by the trusted King James translation, that Paul here is referring a) to the nine gifts, b) to the administration of those gifts, and c) to the operation of those gifts...rather than all things being a manifestation of one gift, the Holy Spirit.

I have said before on this thread, it is not good to speak of the Holy Spirit as a common noun: a gift in the sense of someTHING given. He is a He, and He is the Spirit of God. So He is given as a personal Comforter and Empowerer when we are born again, and when He is given, (and only then) it is He who gives us GIFTS (common noun) as in the scripture I posted, of which there are nine listed, and elsewhere nine fruits, very well documented and not up for disputation.

So sad, I thought we were getting somewhere.

 

[notuptome]

Love ya Rog!

Hate your erroneous theology tho.

Proverbs 19:25 Smite a scorner and the simple will beware: reprove one that hath understanding and he will understand knowledge.

I see the obvious and it is obvious that it isn't the truth of Gods word.

The sons of Sceva had a lot of folks believing they were able to minister in Gods name. Their wickedness was later made manifest.

Set for the defense of the faith once and for all delivered to the saints.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[phil112]

...................Why why why go and complicate things when we were finally understanding a few simple truths together? If you are going to go running off to the Greek to prove a point that is by no means straightforward to you in the text, no wonder you will get in a muddle......................

Outrageous that she should have sought another source when, forsooth, she could have just taken your word.
The audacity of that woman! To think that she would doubt you! Why, anyone that has read posts on this thread knows that you are the ultimate authority on this topic!

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Why why why go and complicate things when we were finally understanding a few simple truths together? If you are going to go running off to the Greek to prove a point that is by no means straightforward to you in the text, no wonder you will get in a muddle.

In the end, this is the final argument of all "signs-and-wonders" advocates.

I always find it ironic that, when confronted with the original languages that God used to preserve His word and the "signs-and-wonders doctrines" are found wanting, they disparage the language as though it is "unimportant." Thus we see the bankruptcy of the teaching.

 

[convallaria]

In the end, this is the final argument of all "signs-and-wonders" advocates.

I always find it ironic that, when confronted with the original languages that God used to preserve His word and the "signs-and-wonders doctrines" are found wanting, they disparage the language as though it is "unimportant." Thus we see the bankruptcy of the teaching.

I am not surprised any more at the lengths people will go to in order to disguise their unbelief!

The point is,
if Greek is not your first language you will need to depend on man's interpretation and/or translation in order to figure out what is being said, and also the cultural nuances of the time etc.... and thus what the scriptures mean....and if you are learning it yourself there is a large margin for error.

Why not instead depend on the Holy Spirit to guide you into the truth of the Word? If you are born again you have no need to go language shopping anywhere. The English is right in front of you in the scholarly and scrupulously translated versions we have access to today, and if you are born again, the Holy Spirit will teach you what these things all mean that you read in there.

I will say again, you cannot teach what does not come by the Holy Spirit. If you teach something the Holy Spirit didn't give you, it is just the religious flesh, and will help no one.

1 Cor 2
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world,



but the spirit which is of God;


that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,

but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;

comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:

for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Outrageous that she should have sought another source when, forsooth, she could have just taken your word.
The audacity of that woman! To think that she would doubt you! Why, anyone that has read posts on this thread knows that you are the ultimate authority on this topic!

More of that WORTHLESS sarcasm.

Grow up Phil. Here I thought you were turning over a new leaf. :/

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I'd like to state the obvious and then propose a question:

This is an issue that has created division in God's Church -- some believe that the gift of tongues is very much alive and real today as it was during the first century. Others believe that the gift of tongues has ceased and is no longer given.

So here's the question: What do we do? How are we to behave and act towards those who hold opposing beliefs?

I think the answer is simple. I think we all (regardless of our specific belief on this one single issue) would agree that we are to treat each other as Christ would -- with love.

I am finding that I do not see evidence of love (or the fruits) within a significant portion of this thread -- chiefly those who hold the view that tongues is dead. If it's dead -- fine, it's dead -- but do not belittle or demean one who believes it is not dead. This is not a matter of salvation -- it's a matter of respecting fellow Believers. It's about EDIFYING the Church -- rather than slapping someone across the face with no remorse.

If/When she's ready to seriously consider studying the Greek -- perhaps she will better understand YOUR perspective. But, right now, YOU are not understanding HER perspective. Or, rather, you THINK you do -- but you misunderstand, and often.

(These are my thoughts, my opinions. Rip 'em up if you want -- I've got my thick skin with me now. But practice being more gentle with others.)

 

[Gr8grace]

I am not surprised any more at the lengths people will go to in order to disguise their unbelief!

What do you mean by this? You do realize what it looks like right?.........."your not saved"

Am I wrong?

 

[notuptome]

I am not surprised any more at the lengths people will go to in order to disguise their unbelief!

The point is,
if Greek is not your first language you will need to depend on man's interpretation and/or translation in order to figure out what is being said, and also the cultural nuances of the time etc.... and thus what the scriptures mean....and if you are learning it yourself there is a large margin for error.

Why not instead depend on the Holy Spirit to guide you into the truth of the Word? If you are born again you have no need to go language shopping anywhere. The English is right in front of you in the scholarly and scrupulously translated versions we have access to today, and if you are born again, the Holy Spirit will teach you what these things all mean that you read in there.

I will say again, you cannot teach what does not come by the Holy Spirit. If you teach something the Holy Spirit didn't give you, it is just the religious flesh, and will help no one.

1 Cor 2
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world,



but the spirit which is of God;


that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,

but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;

comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:

for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Classic example of nonsense. Here you are a person who claims tongues are active going about to disparage another tongue. Greek is a tongue other than your native tongue.

Simply a case of your golden calf moaning because it's toes were stepped on by the truth.

Seems I can hear the Apostle Paul right now saying that this is why he told the church not to allow a woman to teach or have authority over men. Simply carried away with every wind of doctrine. Sorry ladies but there are some who are of the spirit of Jezebel. Guess that's why Proverbs is so strong in its praise for the virtuous woman.

There is no nobility in any belief no matter how ardently held if it contradicts Gods word. The spirit of Babylon is active in the church today. Nimrods spirit is leading multitudes away from God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Gr8grace]

Classic example of nonsense. Here you are a person who claims tongues are active going about to disparage another tongue. Greek is a tongue other than your native tongue.

Simply a case of your golden calf moaning because it's toes were stepped on by the truth.

All I had was ," you have got to see the irony in this!"

I am Glad you eloquently and simply pointed it out.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Classic example of nonsense. Here you are a person who claims tongues are active going about to disparage another tongue. Greek is a tongue other than your native tongue.

Simply a case of your golden calf moaning because it's toes were stepped on by the truth.

Seems I can hear the Apostle Paul right now saying that this is why he told the church not to allow a woman to teach or have authority over men. Simply carried away with every wind of doctrine. Sorry ladies but there are some who are of the spirit of Jezebel. Guess that's why Proverbs is so strong in its praise for the virtuous woman.

There is no nobility in any belief no matter how ardently held if it contradicts Gods word. The spirit of Babylon is active in the church today. Nimrods spirit is leading multitudes away from God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger - Are all things possible through your God?

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Classic example of nonsense. Here you are a person who claims tongues are active going about to disparage another tongue. Greek is a tongue other than your native tongue.

Simply a case of your golden calf moaning because it's toes were stepped on by the truth.

Seems I can hear the Apostle Paul right now saying that this is why he told the church not to allow a woman to teach or have authority over men. Simply carried away with every wind of doctrine. Sorry ladies but there are some who are of the spirit of Jezebel. Guess that's why Proverbs is so strong in its praise for the virtuous woman.

There is no nobility in any belief no matter how ardently held if it contradicts Gods word. The spirit of Babylon is active in the church today. Nimrods spirit is leading multitudes away from God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Would you speak to a member of your local congregation in this manner?

(If you do not see anything wrong with the text I have changed to red, I will gladly clarify.)

 

[notuptome]

Roger - Are all things possible through your God?

Nope. I hope you know that as well.

Your question is profanely ambiguous.

For the cause of Christ
Roger