Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

There is a difference between the letter of the law (which condemns) and the Spirit of law (which gives life through Jesus).

Without the Lord as the foundation then all done by us is filthy rags, but with Him abiding in us by the Holy Spirit the Spirit of the law will be upheld as He places them in our heart and mind to follow as a natural everyday way of life and not as a set of ordinances.

By walking in the greatest fruit of the Spirit to love will all commands of the Lord be upheld, as the Holy Spirit abiding in us can not deny Himself. Therefore the moral will be upheld in our life and those who teach the moral does not apply, then you can hate others and have eternal life abiding in you but the Apostle John clearly disproves that form of thinking.

Love has obedience !!!

Paul did not use the phrase "letter of the law"; he simply called the 10 commandments, the letter. The spirit of the law is the holy spirit. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life.

Your sentence, "Love has obedience" is nonsensical. New covenant law demands faith and love. Therefore, love is obedience to the law.

 

[just-me]

Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15

And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all thejudgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do. Exodus 24:3
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23
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Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation. Exodus 15:13

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 12:6

And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place. Exodus 26:34

Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations. Psalm 100:5

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:7

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23
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Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God,the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9

And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deuteronomy 32:20

And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever. 1 Samuel 2:35

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the justshall live by hisfaith. Habakkuk 2:4

And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? Mark 4:40

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mark 11:22

And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. Luke 5:20

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23

 

[just-me]

Paul did not use the phrase "letter of the law"; he simply called the 10 commandments, the letter. The spirit of the law is the holy spirit. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life.

Your sentence, "Love has obedience" is nonsensical. New covenant law demands faith and love. Therefore, love is obedience to the law.

Get it through your head. The the Holy Spirit and the Word of God work together. They are inseparable. It's not half Spirit with half Truth.

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. John 16:13

You present a falsehood that God's Word recorded in the Old Testament, that is actually of Jesus (Colossians 1), is not truth. No one has ever said the law saves, but we have said it is good for instruction in righteousness. That's truth of the New Testament writings.

 

[KennethC]

Paul did not use the phrase "letter of the law"; he simply called the 10 commandments, the letter. The spirit of the law is the holy spirit. The letter kills, but the spirit gives life.

Your sentence, "Love has obedience" is nonsensical. New covenant law demands faith and love. Therefore, love is obedience to the law.

And again I would suggest in love that you go and read how many times the NT emphasizes obedience to the Lord and His teachings. Then also look to see how the NT also calls disobedience a sin of unbelief. Why you may ask is disobedience called unbelief? Because by love and trust in One such as Jesus as Lord and Savior for salvation would show in one's obedience to His ways.

If a person says they love Him but do not keep His commandments the bible says the Truth is not in that person !!!

 

[KennethC]

And again I would suggest in love that you go and read how many times the NT emphasizes obedience to the Lord and His teachings. Then also look to see how the NT also calls disobedience a sin of unbelief. Why you may ask is disobedience called unbelief? Because by love and trust in One such as Jesus as Lord and Savior for salvation would show in one's obedience to His ways.

If a person says they love Him but do not keep His commandments the bible says the Truth is not in that person !!!

John 14:15
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 14:24
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.

 

[just-me]

John 14:24
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father's who sent Me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now I ask, what could be a more Catholic influenced Christian than those who embrace the pagan and reject the Hebrew foundation of the faith of Abraham? This may be too subtle for the majority.

lol. Catholics have their sacraments, Judaisers have their law.

Same difference..

Just me wants us all to believe Abraham and noah had no way to understand judgment, righteousness and faith. or mercy.. and uses this as her reason to follow the law as a judaiser..

So should we listen to him? as a modern day pharisee who is no different than a catholic in the basics of their theology (works and religion)

or the word of God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ok I have to leave for a bit.

The self righteousness in this thread has just gone overboard. I am sicked by its filth.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And again I would suggest in love that you go and read how many times the NT emphasizes obedience to the Lord and His teachings. Then also look to see how the NT also calls disobedience a sin of unbelief. Why you may ask is disobedience called unbelief? Because by love and trust in One such as Jesus as Lord and Savior for salvation would show in one's obedience to His ways.

If a person says they love Him but do not keep His commandments the bible says the Truth is not in that person !!!

You just make stuff up. I could refute with scripture what you've said, but it's not worth it.

 

[KennethC]

You just make stuff up. I could refute with scripture what you've said, but it's not worth it.

I have made nothing up as you can see I followed it up in post 225 with scripture from the Lord, and Apostle John also in his 1st epistle shows the same thing that love and faith in the Lord will show in obedience to His teachings.

Also read Hebrews chapters 3-4 and you will see how disobedience is called unbelief, and our Lord Jesus shows and gives parables about being a disobedient servant and the outcome is not eternal life as He says they will be cast out into outer darkness and appointed with the unbelievers. (Matthew 25:30, Luke 12:46)

 

[just-us-2]

ok I have to leave for a bit.

The self righteousness in this thread has just gone overboard. I am sicked by its filth.

Hm, funny your own mega-self-righteousness without half of God's Word doesn't make you sick.

 

[just-me]

ok I have to leave for a bit.

The self righteousness in this thread has just gone overboard. I am sicked by its filth.

You didn't have to come in and see all the scripture that is posted. Too bad you saw those things quoted as filth.

 

[just-me]

The adversary's goal is to teach everybody lawlessness. But the scripture says "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:9

The only way for the adversary to "make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" Is to minister that the law is no longer relevant to Christians. Why would professing Christians want the law of God to vanish by God's grace through Christ Jesus? Should this situation pose a question in all of our minds?

I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Daniel 7:21

It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4b

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live. Deuteronomy 8:3

Forsake the law and use Christ as an excuse is NOT the way to live according to God's word and Jesus' word.
We are in the falling away. Look around, and listen to the news, ask yourself why this is insanity prevails.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 1 Peter 4:17

 

[BenFTW]

I guess people missed the part where I said there are commandments but our obedience to them is rooted in love and not fear. We have these commandments but we do not keep all of them. Who here can say they do? Are you perfect? Therefore one ought to do all these things, but one cannot because we are by no means perfect. Our obedience then doesn't derive itself from ourselves, in a matter of striving, but by the transforming power of God.

Is this heresy, or common sense? Look in the mirror to find out.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You didn't have to come in and see all the scripture that is posted. Too bad you saw those things quoted as filth.

No, Your self righteousness and misrepresentation of that scripture was filth.


Scripture is not filth, You just PROVED your self righteousness by this very post.

Again, Why did god hold truth from abraham, and noah and other fathers before moses?

of course you can't answer. because it would prove your interpretation and argument in this op is in error and invalid.

Which is why it is FILTH.. It is CARNALLY MINDED>

 

[Angela53510]

So you believe a person can quote scripture incorrectly? Not really, but they can improperly interpret scripture according to their own false doctrine. Satan does that all the time. Jesus quoted the law to him and resisted by that truth quoted. Satan quoted partial truth and Jesus quoted total truth.

I quoted scripture without adding to it according to my own interpretations. You have a problem with that?

Yes, exactly! You can quote Scripture incorrectly, when you so a word search, like "mercy" or "righteousness" then post every verse that has one of those words in it. Each one of those verses is out of context and you continually use them to support a false theology.

Each verse has to be taken in context. That means the verses around it, the chapter it is in, the book it is in, the covenant it is in. The writer, the era, etc are all part of that.

You constantly commit bad hermeneutics, by pulling verses out of context. You are judging the New Testament by the Old Testament, instead of the Old Testament as the source for the fulfillment in the New Testament. And most important - by who Jesus Christ is, what he came to do, and his victory on the cross.

You can quote single verses out of context till the cows come home, and it will still NOT make your erroneous doctrines correct!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hm, funny your own mega-self-righteousness without half of God's Word doesn't make you sick.

half of Gods word?

You my friend are a liar. I do not ignore half of Gods word. And your and your husbands continued lies will be judged by non other that Christ himself (yes, you can not hurt me, I can not judge you)

Your hypocrites. You demand everyone follow the law. Yet you break it every time you bear false witness against those who disagree with you.

That is what a pharisee does. He yells lies against their enemies, and in doing so. Judge themselves.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, exactly! You can quote Scripture incorrectly, when you so a word search, like "mercy" or "righteousness" then post every verse that has one of those words in it. Each one of those verses is out of context and you continually use them to support a false theology.

Each verse has to be taken in context. That means the verses around it, the chapter it is in, the book it is in, the covenant it is in. The writer, the era, etc are all part of that.

You constantly commit bad hermeneutics, by pulling verses out of context. You are judging the New Testament by the Old Testament, instead of the Old Testament as the source for the fulfillment in the New Testament. And most important - by who Jesus Christ is, what he came to do, and his victory on the cross.

You can quote single verses out of context till the cows come home, and it will still NOT make your erroneous doctrines correct!

He forgets, The pharisee could quote verbatim every word of the OT law and prophets.

Yet what good was it to them, If you do not INTERPRET the word correctly. It is just a bunch of words wiht no meaning and purpose. It is useless.

 

[just-me]

Yes, exactly! You can quote Scripture incorrectly, when you so a word search, like "mercy" or "righteousness" then post every verse that has one of those words in it. Each one of those verses is out of context and you continually use them to support a false theology.

Each verse has to be taken in context. That means the verses around it, the chapter it is in, the book it is in, the covenant it is in. The writer, the era, etc are all part of that.

You constantly commit bad hermeneutics, by pulling verses out of context. You are judging the New Testament by the Old Testament, instead of the Old Testament as the source for the fulfillment in the New Testament. And most important - by who Jesus Christ is, what he came to do, and his victory on the cross.

You can quote single verses out of context till the cows come home, and it will still NOT make your erroneous doctrines correct!

So you believe God's word is out of context with itself. How sad. I am under the understanding that if the scripture seems to conflict with itself that we have it wrong not God. If you cannot get it, that is something you have to deal with personally.

 

[PeterJens]

The pharisees failed because they were spiritually compromised. They knew they were not righteous but only appeared so. They were cynical and loved the position they held, believing walking in perfection was impossible so the best of a bad job was cover up the scam. The hypocracy showed on the important issues which really meant something and the things that were easy to keep, they were very strict on.

We can fall into the same problems, if we do not spend time understanding righteousness, truth, justice, mercy, grace.
It is easy to say death to all murderers. But when it comes to how you prove murder, things get fuzzy. What about letting some guilty go so the innocents are definately not framed and punished. This is where justice and mercy become real.

The law shows us our failings but never provides a solution. Love working in our hearts provides the power to walk righteously, but once you say the test proves you are perfect you fail, because you are only what you are through love of God placed in your heart. It is like a driver going down the road, driving well from a to b not recognising it is the petrol that makes it all possible. The law just shows the framework of safety, it does not make you a good driver.

We seems to work as if we are independent, self sufficient, when our whole lives we rely on our bodies and the systems it is built with. We do the same with morality, and how we choose. It is our moral compass or conscience not Gods Spirit guiding and convicting. So much we need to be reminded of our weakness, so Gods grace can be shown for what it is, glorious.